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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.12 10:26:00 -
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Fly T1s.
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RecruitMe@NOINT!
 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Ganks maketh the pilot.
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DarkCEO
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Posted - 2006.06.12 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: DarkCEO on 12/06/2006 10:31:37
For 200 mill you can buy the most expensive HAC if you cant afford 200 million your doing something wrong.
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prsr
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Posted - 2006.06.12 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: prsr on 12/06/2006 10:32:53
Originally by: Oceana Sea
So every single owner of a T2 bpo has made billions? Even the ones who in the past year invested billions into buying a t2 bpo with the hope of finally earning back that X billions they spent after several months or more? So anyone in the last 6 months who bought a t2 bpo for 15 billion isk and has since earned 1-2 bill a month of the bpo, but still hasnt earned back the original 15 bill they invested, they are now SCREWED because ccp went and seeded all t2 bpos on the market?
Don't ask for sympathy because you choose to invest isk in something risky please, it makes you look rather silly.
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FireflyX1
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Posted - 2006.06.12 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: DarkCEO
Edited by: DarkCEO on 12/06/2006 10:31:37
For 200 mill you can buy the most expensive HAC if you cant afford 200 million your doing something wrong.
There only 200m because your reselling them at that price, Well at least the one in rens.
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loony zoon
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Posted - 2006.06.12 11:42:00 -
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It's a supply side problem. Quick fixes -
1) drastically reduce t2 manufacturing times
2) make t2 bpo copying times about 25% of the manufacturing time.
just my tuppence worth.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.12 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: loony zoon
It's a supply side problem. Quick fixes -
1) drastically reduce t2 manufacturing times
2) make t2 bpo copying times about 25% of the manufacturing time.
just my tuppence worth.
yes, make t2 ship owners even richer 
There needs to be a lot more BPOs seeded. Not BPCs, but BPOs.
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DarkCEO
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Posted - 2006.06.12 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: FireflyX1
Originally by: DarkCEO
Edited by: DarkCEO on 12/06/2006 10:31:37
For 200 mill you can buy the most expensive HAC if you cant afford 200 million your doing something wrong.
There only 200m because your reselling them at that price, Well at least the one in rens.
Am i? i think youll find i sold the cerbs at 215 ishtars at 160 never touched the vagabonds.My point was you can find Cerbs and Vagas all over the galaxy for 200-+
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.06.12 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: prsr
Edited by: prsr on 12/06/2006 10:32:53
Originally by: Oceana Sea
So every single owner of a T2 bpo has made billions? Even the ones who in the past year invested billions into buying a t2 bpo with the hope of finally earning back that X billions they spent after several months or more? So anyone in the last 6 months who bought a t2 bpo for 15 billion isk and has since earned 1-2 bill a month of the bpo, but still hasnt earned back the original 15 bill they invested, they are now SCREWED because ccp went and seeded all t2 bpos on the market?
Don't ask for sympathy because you choose to invest isk in something risky please, it makes you look rather silly.
Don't ask for the game to be changed just because you can't work out how to play it at that level, either.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.12 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: DarkCEO
For 200 mill you can buy the most expensive HAC if you cant afford 200 million your doing something wrong.
200m with full insurance? Sure, most people could afford that. It's 200m with a 30m insurance payout that's the killer.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.12 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: DarkCEO
For 200 mill you can buy the most expensive HAC if you cant afford 200 million your doing something wrong.
200m with full insurance? Sure, most people could afford that. It's 200m with a 30m insurance payout that's the killer.
But isnt getting popped more painful this way? 
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RecruitMe@NOINT!
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Ganks maketh the pilot.
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azrel dark
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Posted - 2006.06.12 12:25:00 -
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What a HAC buyer feels like
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Joe
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Posted - 2006.06.12 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Joe on 12/06/2006 13:18:52
edit ftw!
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.06.12 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: DarkCEO
For 200 mill you can buy the most expensive HAC if you cant afford 200 million your doing something wrong.
200m with full insurance? Sure, most people could afford that. It's 200m with a 30m insurance payout that's the killer.
Bingo!
That's what I was saying about not being prepared to pay those prices. Add to that loss, the number of T2 weapons and mods you may have had and you are probably looking at nearer 250m.
Yes Jenny, it does hurt more and that's the whole reason people are not going to pay that much for them. There has to be a point at which people are going to mitigate their losses.
If I were to go out in a T1 ship, I'd have far less chance of winning a PVP fight due to the number of HACs being flown by PVP players. Still, it hurts less since I know I can get prety much the value of the ship back. The only thing that is lost is the fun value. Where's the fun in knowing you are going to get pwned at every encounter? Also, where's the fun and exitement in PVP for someone who knows they are going to win every time? People who get fun out of knowing they'll always win were most likely the ones who used to torture small animals when they were kids.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.06.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Drizit
People who get fun out of knowing they'll always win were most likely the ones who used to torture small animals when they were kids.
You had some very "questionable" quots in this topic but I hope this one is a joke. Else, I am really really sorry for you.
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Yves DeFleur
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Posted - 2006.06.12 13:31:00 -
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The first person I ever contacted about getting a Zealot said he only sold to a particular alliance. So given my latest attempt and an old one...that is 10% (2 of the guesstimated 20 zealot bpo's) of the zealot producers that I have 0% chance of getting a decently priced zealot from. Hmmm..time to track down the other 90% of the producers and see where they stand.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.06.12 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
Originally by: Drizit
People who get fun out of knowing they'll always win were most likely the ones who used to torture small animals when they were kids.
You had some very "questionable" quots in this topic but I hope this one is a joke. Else, I am really really sorry for you.
I have done lvl2 kill missions. It was fun while I was on the edge of my seat not knowing if I was going to make it or not. Now I can ace them every time without even trying, it's no longer fun, it's downright boring.
No joke but it is an analogy. Anyone who has fun knowing they can ace every encounter must simply have a sadistic streak.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.12 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Drizit
No joke but it is an analogy. Anyone who has fun knowing they can ace every encounter must simply have a sadistic streak.
And anyone who has fun knowing they can lose every encounter must simply have a masochistic streak? 
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RecruitMe@NOINT!
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Ganks maketh the pilot.
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2006.06.12 13:43:00 -
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Hac are meant to be used in Pvp, at empire prices HACS aren't worth to be used.
It seems logic to me that alliances want to monopolise t2 ships and modules and keep the production for their military forces.
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DarkCEO
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Posted - 2006.06.12 13:52:00 -
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Nothing new is being said in this thread.Either buy a HAC or dont if enough people dont prices will fall.Going on and on about it will not change a thing and remember PVP is not just in space its also on the market.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.12 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: DarkCEO
Nothing new is being said in this thread.Either buy a HAC or dont if enough people dont prices will fall.Going on and on about it will not change a thing and remember PVP is not just in space its also on the market.
All it takes is 20 people buying each HAC for the prices to stay as they are. EVE has over 100000 accounts and rising. Each day more and more people can use HACs. You do the maths - HAC prices are NOT going to fall.
Now, take into account the BPOs that are not in production and the ones that are kept for only alliance use and you are probably left with 10 BPOs of each HAC that are producing for the market.
Oveur has stated that there are not enough HAC BPOs, although as usual nothing actually resulted from his comments :/. If we just had a "Yes we are going to seed more BPOs stating from DD/MM/YYYY" or "We're not ever going to seed anymore BPOs" there wouldn't be this constant state of confusion and (probably) useless optimisism that the system will change.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.06.12 14:21:00 -
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HAC threads makes baby Jesus cry.
How about educating the singleminded caldari people so that they fly the Eagle and not just the Cerberus? I mean they cost half...
And it's not someones right to be on a waiting list, I reserve the right to pull all my goods from the market at whatever whim .
Remind me about The Maze.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.12 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
How about educating the singleminded caldari people so that they fly the Eagle and not just the Cerberus? I mean they cost half...
And who are you to tell us what ships we want to fly?
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.06.12 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
How about educating the singleminded caldari people so that they fly the Eagle and not just the Cerberus? I mean they cost half...
And who are you to tell us what ships we want to fly?
One of those who have a eagle BPO? :D
maybe not, but yeah ;)
Originally by: The Wizz117
jeez those guyz @ ccp talk like sweedish nobody will take u seriouse with that cind of accent.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.12 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
How about educating the singleminded caldari people so that they fly the Eagle and not just the Cerberus? I mean they cost half...
Cerberuses work far better than Eagles in level 3 and 4 missions, which most of those 200mil+ HACs are (probably) being used for.
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Yves DeFleur
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Posted - 2006.06.12 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
And it's not someones right to be on a waiting list, I reserve the right to pull all my goods from the market at whatever whim .
Another reason why we need more HAC BPO's seeded.
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prsr
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Posted - 2006.06.12 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Don't ask for the game to be changed just because you can't work out how to play it at that level, either.
Please notice that I'm not asking for any game changes Dianabolic...
Except the one where CCP routes all the CSPA charges to my wallet of course.
Everyone with a brain knows that there is an extra risk to invest in t2 bpos if your break even point is after the date where CCP changes the t2 market. All I'm saying is don't come whining because lack of intelligence is costing you money or might cost you money.
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Bunny Wunny
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Posted - 2006.06.12 15:19:00 -
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what gets me is that you can buy a FCS for LESS than a Vaga etc on the open market.
much less (last time I checked the minmater one begining with S was like 175 or so, and a vaga was 210)!
madness, time to give more BPCs out, or maybe give em to normal agents to distrubute 1-5 run BPCs?
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Yves DeFleur
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Posted - 2006.06.12 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Yves DeFleur on 12/06/2006 15:50:11
The only problem with t2 bpc's is you need a crapload of skills to actually be able to use the bpc. I think offers of t2 ships as agent rewards would be better.
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Mi Lai
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Posted - 2006.06.12 16:32:00 -
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It's not the high prices that annoy me, it's the profit margin. If a HAC was 200M+ because of the difficulty in producing one (skills, cost of materials, cost of factories, whatever), no problem.
With the current system however, it seems as if winning the lottery of a good T2 BPO basically let's you win EVE. Not skill, not planning, not charisma, but luck is used to give some people an easy source of income to fund their goals in EVE.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.06.12 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: DarkCEO
Edited by: DarkCEO on 12/06/2006 10:31:37
For 200 mill you can buy the most expensive HAC if you cant afford 200 million your doing something wrong.
Was wondering when a producer would react, oh well, if i had a multi billion isk production item going on i might react the same way i guess, OMG imagine the prices of hacs actually dropping to.. 100 million!!! (which afaik is still 3 times the production costs)
But he's right though, don't buy hacs for 200 mill, hell don't buy them for 100 and the price should drop rapidly, atleast i know i won't buy one for these silly prices.
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