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neamiah
The Rotten Tomatoes
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Posted - 2011.11.18 03:58:00 -
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After an hour of searching forums and blogs about the noisy fans and hot video cards since Incarna's incarnation, I tooled around with every setting one-by-one concerning graphics on the menu. The only thing that put the fans on the GPU at a tolerable db was to change the Present Interval to default. Anything lower would seem to drag.
I love how fast the frame rates are when using the mouse to change views in station (spinning) or in space during combat or mining ops. But default is certainly tolerable and totally changed the noise and temp within about 30 seconds of changing the setting (it took about a minute for the fan noise to level out to about 40%.
I run the game at 1900x1200 on each monitor running two clients or 3840x1200 using EVEMover across both monitors using a single client. It's pain to get set up, but it works great and worth the trouble. Just glad to be playing that way in a quieter room!
So here's my care rig spec - minus the fluff - for reference:
Asus P6T Deluxe V2
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Core i7 920 (OC @ 3.3GHz)
12GB Corsair XMS3 @ 1600MHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 2x SLI
120GB SSD RAID 0
Corsair Graphite Series 600T Case
Please ping back and tell me the results. Better yet, if you have another solution!!  |

neamiah
The Rotten Tomatoes
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Posted - 2011.11.18 04:23:00 -
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I realized that this should be in the Issues section. Feel free to remove this post if necessary. |

supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
10
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Posted - 2011.11.18 04:39:00 -
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called a custom fan profile or better cooling I have a 470... she never gets lould... and i have my fan profile set to keep it cooler than stock.
I mean of course caping the FPS is gona lower the GPU usage so heat.... |

Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 05:35:00 -
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Get an air conditioner for the room you are in Ferox #1 |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.18 05:52:00 -
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stop buying silicon from companies that have been known to have severe TDP management issues for more than a decade. MM Bombers, Best Bombers |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:55:00 -
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neamiah wrote:After an hour of searching forums and blogs about the noisy fans and hot video cards since Incarna's incarnation, I tooled around with every setting one-by-one concerning graphics on the menu. The only thing that put the fans on the GPU at a tolerable db was to change the Present Interval to default. Anything lower would seem to drag.
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yea i was happy when i figured this out too. interval immediate simply made my card overheat, at the expense of some really sweet fps. (150-200). capping your frames prevents overheating. |

neamiah
The Rotten Tomatoes
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:38:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:neamiah wrote:After an hour of searching forums and blogs about the noisy fans and hot video cards since Incarna's incarnation, I tooled around with every setting one-by-one concerning graphics on the menu. The only thing that put the fans on the GPU at a tolerable db was to change the Present Interval to default. Anything lower would seem to drag.
] yea i was happy when i figured this out too. interval immediate simply made my card overheat, at the expense of some really sweet fps. (150-200). capping your frames prevents overheating.
I find it interesting that one out of maybe 4 or 5 replies in these forums are even useful. Go troll the Beiber forums where you belong... buncha nubbz!!
Thanks at least for intelligent reply HE.
The kids out there need to understand that just because "their" junk works OK in a given situation, doesn't mean they have the solution to everything. Especially by saying stupid things like "get an air conditioner in the room". I wish I were 16 again... or 25 for that matter... |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:51:00 -
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Just here to clarify, if somebody is interested.
It's called vertical synchronization and is actually a relict from old CRT-displays.
Basically, the ray was building the screen from the topleft to the bottom right, going line by line ... and at the last line, the last pixel, it did a shift back up to the top left.
Waiting for this event to happen and then drawing the frame prevented tearing and some artifacts.
Nowadays it's just "the moment between two frames", but can be used for the same effect.
You're not actually capping your framerate, but instead synchronizes your framerate with your display.
JSYK. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
161
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:59:00 -
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Other things you can try is setting the CPU affinity of exefile.exe in your taskmangar to one cpu only ... best to use CPU 0, because in a hyperthreaded system setting it to one of the virtual CPUs gives a bad result. ^^
EvE isn't really good at multithreading (read: none) and i've noticed an actual slowdown when NOT setting the affinity ... windows task management has it's issues here.
So this puts a bit less strain on your CPU and results in a slightly better performance, but i don't know if you'd notice anyway.
btw ... your "default" sounds like you have vsync activated in your gfx settings, i believe the same result can be achieved by setting the interval to one ? Just saying, in case something changes one day.
What you ALSO can do is, in your gfx settings, use custom settings and override the application ones ... and then set them to specific needs, like a specific low-cost-AA or something. At your resolution, for example, i believe 4x is already sufficient, maybe even 2x ... still much less work to do.
Please note that you have to have AA enabled in your escape menu in EvE, even when you override application settings in your gfx driver, else it won't work at all or give you borked results.
Hope it helps. Turning down AA would be my number one option, considering your resolution.
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Lord Ryan
True Xero
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:03:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Get an air conditioner for the room you are in
^My solution^
I have central air, but the office is on the 2nd floor with a large window facing tthe sun most of the day. I bought a window unit, but after a couple weks I got a leeter from the home owners association telling me to remove it. So I bought this. Around $300 dollars.
*Disclaimer* Not current setup. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Opertone
Signal 7
11
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:06:00 -
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Dump Nvidia, Mkay? Regardless of advertising, their cards - still crap.
Or keep on and play on Xbox and playstation - they have 'marvelous' video chips. Next gen tertris handheld.
Fan issues - poor card design, bad casing, bad overall cooling. Bad drivers, motherboard conflicts. I've through that all myself. My Nvidia monster card back at the day had a useless fan, got stuffed with dust, dust burnt, fan failed, card failed and short circuited. Card design is to blame, hey but at least you have to buy new ones more often! |

Lord Ryan
True Xero
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:06:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:Get an air conditioner for the room you are in ^My solution^ I have central air, but the office is on the 2nd floor with a large window facing tthe sun most of the day. I bought a window unit, but after a couple weks I got a leeter from the home owners association telling me to remove it. So I bought this. Around $300 dollars. *Disclaimer* Not current setup.
*Edit* Search LG Electronics 9,000 BTU Portable Air Conditioner with Dehumidifier and Remote since spacebook doesn't like links. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Opertone
Signal 7
11
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:12:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:Get an air conditioner for the room you are in ^My solution^ I have central air, but the office is on the 2nd floor with a large window facing tthe sun most of the day. I bought a window unit, but after a couple weks I got a leeter from the home owners association telling me to remove it. So I bought this. Around $300 dollars. *Disclaimer* Not current setup.
sweet setup, it feels like it is dedicated to gaming |

RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:17:00 -
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Syncing the frame rate is the way to go - as eve does not need >60fps - it's limited not by your twitch reflexes but the server. I've had great success at setting the affinity of the CPU to the last one in the system Nvidia make great GPU's for gamers ATI make great GPU's for other use. YMMV http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
171
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:49:00 -
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RaTTuS wrote:Syncing the frame rate is the way to go - as eve does not need >60fps - it's limited not by your twitch reflexes but the server. I've had great success at setting the affinity of the CPU to the last one in the system Nvidia make great GPU's for gamers ATI make great GPU's for other use. YMMV
as someone who has written graphic engines before... LOL
nVidia silicon is utter and complete garbage, i got sick and tired of coding around their inability to properly implement OpenGL/Direct3D in software, or various algorithms correctly in silicon. not to mention their completely inability to manage the thermal design of their cards. they've NEVER known their posterior from a hole in the ground when it came to TDP management.
ATI cards on the other hand have always had a pure horsepower advantage since the tail end of the Rage series, and have always properly managed their thermal output (with one notable exception: the HD 2xxx series, which they admitted straight out they f'ed up). Now, the reason you see nvidia cards sporting 3-5 more FPS is ATI spends this extra computing power on image quality instead of "MOAR FPS! BETTAR FPS!" on default settings.
let's go with the highest single chip designs from the last few generations - at factory clock rates
i'm clustering them by generation - backwards from current
Radeon HD6970 - 2703 GFLOPS Geforce GTX 580 - 1581.1 GFLOPS
Radeon HD5870 - 2720 GFLOPS (some of that processing power wasted in VLIW5 design) Geforce GTC 480 - 1088.64 GFLOPS
Radeon HD4890 - 1360 GFLOPS (VLIW5 again) Geforce GTX 285 - 1062.720 GFLOPS
the new Radeon HD7970 is rumored to have 4096 GFLOPS processing power, at only 190W TDP - that's 21.5 GFLOPS/watt, double the 6970's efficiency, or 4x the thermal efficiency of the GTX580
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:52:00 -
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RaTTuS wrote:I've had great success at setting the affinity of the CPU to the last one in the system
Thanks for letting me know.
Sad part is, it has to be done each and every time anew, but i believe there are programs who do that automagically too. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
161
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:54:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Radeon HD6970 - 2703 GFLOPS Geforce GTX 580 - 1581.1 GFLOPS
Radeon HD5870 - 2720 GFLOPS (some of that processing power wasted in VLIW5 design) Geforce GTC 480 - 1088.64 GFLOPS
Radeon HD4890 - 1360 GFLOPS (VLIW5 again) Geforce GTX 285 - 1062.720 GFLOPS
the new Radeon HD7970 is rumored to have 4096 GFLOPS processing power, at only 190W TDP - that's 21.5 GFLOPS/watt, double the 6970's efficiency, or 4x the thermal efficiency of the GTX580
No offense, but ... ATI fanboy spotted. ^^ |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
171
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:56:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
No offense, but ... ATI fanboy spotted. ^^
you mean "software engineer that has worked on games spotted." one that hasn't accepted money from nVidia anyway. MM Bombers, Best Bombers |

Grukni
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:11:00 -
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Denidil wrote:RaTTuS wrote:Syncing the frame rate is the way to go - as eve does not need >60fps - it's limited not by your twitch reflexes but the server. I've had great success at setting the affinity of the CPU to the last one in the system Nvidia make great GPU's for gamers ATI make great GPU's for other use. YMMV as someone who has written graphic engines before... LOL nVidia silicon is utter and complete garbage, i got sick and tired of coding around their inability to properly implement OpenGL/Direct3D in software, or various algorithms correctly in silicon. not to mention their completely inability to manage the thermal design of their cards. they've NEVER known their posterior from a hole in the ground when it came to TDP management. ATI cards on the other hand have always had a pure horsepower advantage since the tail end of the Rage series, and have always properly managed their thermal output (with one notable exception: the HD 2xxx series, which they admitted straight out they f'ed up). Now, the reason you see nvidia cards sporting 3-5 more FPS is ATI spends this extra computing power on image quality instead of "MOAR FPS! BETTAR FPS!" on default settings.* let's go with the highest single chip designs from the last few generations - at factory clock rates i'm clustering them by generation - backwards from current Radeon HD6970 - 2703 GFLOPS Geforce GTX 580 - 1581.1 GFLOPS Radeon HD5870 - 2720 GFLOPS (some of that processing power wasted in VLIW5 design) Geforce GTC 480 - 1088.64 GFLOPS Radeon HD4890 - 1360 GFLOPS (VLIW5 again) Geforce GTX 285 - 1062.720 GFLOPS the new Radeon HD7970 is rumored to have 4096 GFLOPS processing power, at only 190W TDP - that's 21.5 GFLOPS/watt, double the 6970's efficiency, or 4x the thermal efficiency of the GTX580 [edit] * i would point out that past a certain point differences in FPS make less of a difference in actual eye perception (ie it's hard for the eye to really distinguish between 24 and 60 fps - it can with difficutly, beyond 60 it really cannot). if your physics engine uses FPS as it's tick rate then you can get some difference from that - because physics engines act like a Riemann sum with FPS=n. the human eye is incredibly good at picking out errors in arcs - 1 arcsecond error perception - however very few things in most games are going to trigger that perception
Too bad CCP codes for Nvidia. They even implement things that don't work in ATI cards.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
266
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:14:00 -
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Here's a simple fix.
Turn that crap off. |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:25:00 -
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Grukni wrote:
Too bad CCP codes for Nvidia. They even implement things that don't work in ATI cards.
um, they still use the standard APIs, even if they're accepted nVidia bribes. what have they coded that doesn't work on both? MM Bombers, Best Bombers |

neamiah
The Rotten Tomatoes
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:32:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote: Other things you can try is setting the CPU affinity of exefile.exe in your taskmangar to one cpu only ... best to use CPU 0, because in a hyperthreaded system setting it to one of the virtual CPUs gives a bad result. ^^
EvE isn't really good at multithreading (read: none) and i've noticed an actual slowdown when NOT setting the affinity ... windows task management has it's issues here.
So this puts a bit less strain on your CPU and results in a slightly better performance, but i don't know if you'd notice anyway.
btw ... your "default" sounds like you have vsync activated in your gfx settings, i believe the same result can be achieved by setting the interval to one ? Just saying, in case something changes one day.
What you ALSO can do is, in your gfx settings, use custom settings and override the application ones ... and then set them to specific needs, like a specific low-cost-AA or something. At your resolution, for example, i believe 4x is already sufficient, maybe even 2x ... still much less work to do.
Please note that you have to have AA enabled in your escape menu in EvE, even when you override application settings in your gfx driver, else it won't work at all or give you borked results.
Hope it helps. Turning down AA would be my number one option, considering your resolution.
All good thoughts above.... I will make some adjustments based on your recommendations. I looked at the global nVidia settings, and the setting specific to EvE and vsync is not forced. I actually thought that I may have forced it because I used to in the past. I went ahead and set the global setting to default as well, just for troubleshooting for now.
Just to clear some things up here, though I do live in FL, the room temp is around 72F and the front of the computer sits right under the vent. This is the only game that seems to cause such a problem with GPU heat. Crysis 2 engine causes the fans to kick up about 60%. I know it's a different engine but still... since Incarna, some of us with newer systems seem to have a combination of hardware that the EvE graphics engine is not happy with.
This has nothing to do with nVidia vs' ATi/AMD... period. Developing at this level is a whole different ball game and you can't please every singe hardware combination/configuration. I have been building and configuring servers, workstations, and gaming PC's for almost 12 years and this is just part of the game.
So with that said, thanks to those who are offering a solution to the computing problem here. |

Opertone
Signal 7
11
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:45:00 -
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Nuff said
Article article
Ati can support 3 displays, and more, Nvidia can not do it. Weaker, hotter, less power/optimization. More Hype and Adds. |

Opertone
Signal 7
11
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:48:00 -
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neamiah wrote:[quote=Solstice Project]
This has nothing to do with nVidia vs' ATi/AMD... period. Developing at this level is a whole different ball game and you can't please every singe hardware combination/configuration. I have been building and configuring servers, workstations, and gaming PC's for almost 12 years and this is just part of the game.
No. You silly bunny. It's the card design. And your poor cooling. Don't object to the laws reality 'with I am ex-marine, I karate kid, I build computers'. |

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:52:00 -
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Denidil wrote:
i'm clustering them by generation - backwards from current
Radeon HD6970 - 2703 GFLOPS Geforce GTX 580 - 1581.1 GFLOPS
That's nice. Could you link a real world benchmark (i.e. a game) that show how important those numbers are? |

neamiah
The Rotten Tomatoes
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:09:00 -
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Opertone wrote:neamiah wrote:[quote=Solstice Project]
This has nothing to do with nVidia vs' ATi/AMD... period. Developing at this level is a whole different ball game and you can't please every singe hardware combination/configuration. I have been building and configuring servers, workstations, and gaming PC's for almost 12 years and this is just part of the game.
No. You silly bunny. It's the card design. And your poor cooling. Don't object to the laws reality 'with I am ex-marine, I karate kid, I build computers'.
Yet another fan-boy goof with creative put-downs! Good grief... at least it's not as bad as WOW players. |

Opertone
Signal 7
12
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:22:00 -
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owned 4 ati cards, 3 nvidia cards
2 nvidia cards burnt - can't add nothing.
Go ride the HYPE train and pay more for the BAND wagon front seat.
Heat issues - cooling. Fan too loud - crappy fan :P, not enough cooling. |

neamiah
The Rotten Tomatoes
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:56:00 -
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Opertone wrote:owned 4 ati cards, 3 nvidia cards
2 nvidia cards burnt - can't add nothing.
Go ride the HYPE train and pay more for the BAND wagon front seat.
Heat issues - cooling. Fan too loud - crappy fan :P, not enough cooling.
Thanks for the free bump! :D
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Vagilicious
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:05:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Here's a simple fix.
Turn that crap off.
*yawn*
Go back to last month, troll. You and your ilk have had their say. I'm tired of hearing it.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
38
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:05:00 -
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I am NOT going to comment on any of the technical aspects of what is going on here.
It is fantastic that CCP is actually 'fixing' parts of the 1,000 Papercuts, and all that, but now the technical side is being UTTERLY ignored.
YES,,,,HEAT is a HUGE issue !
Work on it CCP. For God's sake PLEASE.
It's STUPID !! And unprofessional.
Learn to code.................... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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