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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.06.08 17:40:00 -
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It's a novel approach. "Guys, before I start I'd like to just point out I think you are a bunch of idiots and I have no interest in your opinion. But I'm going to share my ideas with you anyway" *clears throat, whips out 90,000 word dissertation*
TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1825
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Posted - 2014.06.08 17:46:00 -
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Quote:tl;dr. EVE is considered to be the toughest game out there, the hardest to learn and even harder to master; 'spreadsheets in space' they call it. The players take pride in being older, maturer and arguable more intelligent, and yet, when a forum post is more than 10 sentences their brains melt and they demand a 'tl;dr'.
Human brain have limited memory capacity. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
328
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Posted - 2014.06.08 17:53:00 -
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Grivan wrote: GÇ£WiS is deadGÇ¥, GÇ£it would ruin EVEGÇ¥, GÇ£it won't workGÇ¥, GÇ£it would add nothingGÇ¥ and GÇ£it has no gameplayGÇ¥.
Before we jump straight to those conclusions I'd like to make a quick case for being open minded around ambulation in EVE.
But WiS IS dead, or in deep cryo at least. I don't know which part of this you don't understand: - CCP took a $26mil hit last year - 100+ employees got the boot in the last 6 months, most of them working on Avatar based gameplay (since WoD devs were "borrowed" to work on WiS in EVE) - Team Avatar is disbanded
The idea and potential of WiS is there and its great, but there are simply no resources to pull it off in the near future. I mean, what needs to be said and by who in order to get the clear message that WiS is in the deep freezer now and that it's not coming to life any time soon? That's years I'm talking about. CCP explicitly said it when they disbanded Team Avatar, yet somehow there are still forum posts about it like it's something that can be pulled out of the pocket and added to the game. My signature got stolen (o.0) |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
598
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Posted - 2014.06.08 18:02:00 -
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Grivan wrote:Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:@OP: I think the most important point you are making is, that walking around in your human avatars should have meaningful gameplay which fits into EVE and adds to it, but isn't required unless you are interested in doing it. And that's pretty tough, imo.
I like the exploration example, but I am not sure how much fun it'd be to act as weaponless leader of Legion players. What special qualities would the capsuleer have as leader that makes up for the lack of weapons and can't be done by the Legion players and still is fun? It'd probably make more sense if you could just "jump into Legion gameplay" once you arrived at your exploration site. I suppose that'd be quite the technological challenge, though.
Another possibility I was thinking about was some sort of black market and smuggling gameplay on stations. Something illegal which should not be done using the galnet and "official" channels but rather in person and hidden. But here I got stuck, to be honest. What would the gameplay be? Some sort of puzzle game dodging surveillance until a meet up with either NPC or other players as trading partner can happen? I kinda doubt most players would like this.
Here, too, I think the best chance, even if it may be quite a bit in the future, for something like this to happen would be a seamless integration of Legion gameplay, so it'd actually be a shooter gameplay, maybe with emphasis on tactics.
And all this doesn't mean that you can't have areas simply for social interaction, with nothing to gain gameplay-wise which would legitimate making it safe, according to the risk/reward thing: Don't allow any weapons in those areas. Brawling could be allowed but bouncers (from CONCORD, haha. ... just kidding) will come and throw you out if you attack someone who doesn't fight back or something like that. DaReaper wrote: [snip] till then... these threads are pointless. The other main point of my thread is that this kind of work should happen now, while Legion is in development, and is why I think the thread isn't pointless. That link has to be built in from the ground up, with a clear plan of how EVE is going to use ambulation and how the two games will integrate. Riyria you raise a good point about how a lot of the meaningful gameplay should be part of Legion with a seamless transition from one game to the next - I wonder how technically challenging that is? We can already transition from pod to CQ, if it's all on the same server and built to do so from the ground up, is it any different? It's not just people forgetting history that makes them anti-WiS, its because its an easy troll target and because people tend to see problems and then decide it can't be done, instead of looking at solutions. Look at the first page of this thread and you'll see those same names in every thread trolling or making inane comments - I do have faith that there are people reading these forums who are capable of thought outside their own little bubble and it'd be great if something positive comes out of this. I'm not pretending to know anything about game design, but the principles of this kind of project are the same everywhere you go. Work out what you want it to do in the end and then design for that goal throughout - if ambulation isn't put into EVE alongside Legion then it will be a (potential) nightmare porting it in once Legion is complete.
Except its not. WiS is not even NEEDED for legion. Except for legion. As we are clones anyway we don;t even need to leave our ships to jump into a legion body. thats the point. Another point, why waste more dev time, finishing something so it could link to another game, if a) the other game is not going to link to eve in a meaningful way form day one. b) Legion is not even a real game yet and c) Legion coudl flop.
You thought the summer of rage was bad? What do you think would happen if the devs said 'oh byw, rememebr how we said we were gonna fix pos' and corp stuff and sov? Yea we back burnered that to fix WiS and after a yera of work we canned legion which is why we were doing wis... sorry about that, we are going back to fixing space..' 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2443
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Posted - 2014.06.08 18:24:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:hahahaha Like I'm going to read all that
I must confess that I stopped reading at: Ambulation...
There seem to be a lot of folk starting Ambulation threads lately, I blame the goons for them This is not a signature. |
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
135
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Posted - 2014.06.08 20:15:00 -
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WiS is not a bad idea. As always, meaningful content is key. OP's ideas feel a bit half baked (sorry). Technological synergy is obvious but was not enough to save another game (WoD). Existing mini games show that CCP has to learn (loot spew, hacking game).
Voila, it is not that difficult, is it?
On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5032
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Posted - 2014.06.08 20:31:00 -
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Altessa Post wrote:WiS is not a bad idea. As always, meaningful content is key. OP's ideas feel a bit half baked (sorry). Technological synergy is obvious but was not enough to save another game (WoD). Existing mini games show that CCP has to learn (loot spew, hacking game).
WoD was never released, so I don't see what you are driving at
Loot spew was removed and CCP admitted it was bad, and now exploration is better than its ever been "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1988
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Posted - 2014.06.08 20:54:00 -
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It is way too ambitious and I guarantee CCP will screw it up, so no. While I didn't mind the 1st idea to a degree, though seems meaningless to "lead" Legion soldiers, might as well just fight. The 2nd idea I don't care for but don't really understand, might be that I just woke up.
For WiS CCP needs to take baby steps, but baby steps in functionality. However most content will probably need to be "fluff" since it is the easiest not to screw up. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
135
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Posted - 2014.06.08 21:25:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
WoD was never released, so I don't see what you are driving at
Loot spew was removed and CCP admitted it was bad, and now exploration is better than its ever been
From the viewpoint an IT company, Dust and WoD, plus some acquisitions on the road looked really nice. Technology developed (or bought) could be used in several games. This reduces cost. In our line of work, we call this synergy. Yet, it never happened. The OP pointed towards reuse of technology and we already know that this is not key. This is what I am driving at.
You see why we can never have small crisp posts and need endless text walls?
On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid. |
Adunh Slavy
1482
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Posted - 2014.06.08 21:31:00 -
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Grivan wrote: ... EVE and Legion ...
This is the most likely case IMO. If you want to walk around, poof you are in the station in Legion Mode, (Go back to the launcher and start legion as character that just docked.). This would give all the reason to create stations and what not.
My guess though is ... CCP is going to use that "forth mode" of 'clones' as a huge "slush tank" disguised as some sort of fictional cosmic mainframe and network, where by characters can poof their conscience all over the map between game modes. This will let CCP fudge and white wash all the logistics and logistics content from the experience, so they can focus on the core game play of the other two modes, Legion and Valkyrie.
That would be a shame, as it would be rather theme-parky.
But, considering some past efforts ... Legion is vapor and so is Valkyrie, and so was WIS and Dust will resemble its name sooner or later by all accounts. The only thing to came out of all of that was, a vanity shop.
I agree with your sentiment, but do not hold your breath. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5035
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Posted - 2014.06.08 21:33:00 -
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Altessa Post wrote:
You see why we can never have small crisp posts and need endless text walls?
Nope "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1877
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Posted - 2014.06.08 21:35:00 -
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... just so there's no misunderstanding, I like boobies.
Especially when they perambulate... preferably on a beach... with TiDi for that slow motion effect.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe to staff how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Adunh Slavy
1482
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Posted - 2014.06.08 21:41:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:... just so there's no misunderstanding, I like boobies. Especially when they perambulate... preferably on a beach... with TiDi for that slow motion effect.
+1 for the sig Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1516
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Posted - 2014.06.08 22:17:00 -
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Locked for cleanup and moving. ISD LackOfFaith Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
849
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Posted - 2014.06.09 00:29:00 -
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I saw a thing on TV by this Japanese girl who was really caught up in 2nd Life. I tried it out. It crashed like crazy, looked just awful and was basically chat channels with avatars. ALL of those people could be doing their furry / autist / social thing in stations, in their quarters, generally immune to pvp and it would be a great niche in a spaceships game. If they wanted isk or to get anything done, they would have to enter into the risk/reward game, dancing on tabletops just won't cut it. Spaceship politics messing with their comms, clothing and furniture availability etc would make them interesting furniture, cargo and/or scenery in an otherwise conflict driven hyper capitalistic spaceships experience. The leet pvpers forget the romance of travel, the impact of this game's beauty. Get that demographic all into stations, making environments, selling stuff ingame and most of all PAYING SUBS TO CCP. Quick, before somebody else does.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Saint Germain
Sekundu
2
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Posted - 2014.06.09 09:02:00 -
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I thought they could try out a kind of middle ground, using EVE Gate. There could be chatrooms that players can access through EVE Gate, without using the EVE client. Players could then chat with other players who are docked in the same station. If there was an interest in this, then it would be a good sign that players would use a similar system with 3D ambulation content.
I didn't assume that these chatrooms wold take the place of in-game local chat, but if they did they could certainly relieve some of the spambot pressure from busy systems. I think that CCP don't want to introduce an 'EVE LIte' type client that allows players to actually play the game without using the EVE client, but who knows, maybe times have changed.
Anyway, it would be cool to log in to My-EVE-book-Space from work and chat a bit with whoever happens to be docked at the same station as me, maybe arrange some trades, or a roam or something. |
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