Coward hiding behind a faceless npc alt.

hahahaha

Like I'm going to read all that

Pretty much. Who the hell keeps a faceless alt for so many years, except to come post things they are afraid will earn them some sort of backlash?

Isn't this a repost? Nevermind that even mentioning WiS should merit a thread lock.

I wonder how long it takes until someone posts who has actually read it.

(...)

*shrugs*

Hey, have you seen the legwear I've made? :D

The players take pride in being older, maturer and arguable more intelligent, and yet, when a forum post is more than 10 sentences their brains melt and they demand a 'tl;dr'.

A well thought out and interesting read. Thank you for taking the time to write something like this up.

Regardless, it belongs in F&I.

I suppose it depends on the scope of 'ideas' in the definition - technically 95% of posts are 'ideas' and could fall under some definition of that forum; I felt this discussion lay more around the overall direction of the game and belonged better in a general discussion - however ISD are free to intervene as they please.

Besides, everyone know the real distinction between a general discussion and F+I thread is popularity. Take the thread about long dresses which is clearly more F+I than this thread, so should be moved and according to one poster here, as it discusses WiS content it should be auto locked. But there we go.

Your own mercs shooting and teabagging your corpse

You'd be the team leader, directing your squad, but unarmed, while your mercs protect you. It could be a bit like a horror survival - epic lighting, sense of helplessness, disorientation, fast paced - and of course, death is death.

Edit: Actually, I've read the entirety of this post. *Sighs heavily* You know, OP, that your thread will be trolled to hell and back and then locked, what do you wish to achieve by it? To spark an intelligent discussion on the merits of WiS?

The players take pride in being older, maturer and arguable more intelligent, and yet, when a forum post is more than 10 sentences their brains melt and they demand a 'tl;dr'. Be warned, this post is asking you to think a little bit and consider possibilities and solutions, not problems.

@OP:
I think the most important point you are making is, that walking around in your human avatars should have meaningful gameplay which fits into EVE and adds to it, but isn't required unless you are interested in doing it. And that's pretty tough, imo.

I like the exploration example, but I am not sure how much fun it'd be to act as weaponless leader of Legion players. What special qualities would the capsuleer have as leader that makes up for the lack of weapons and can't be done by the Legion players and still is fun?
It'd probably make more sense if you could just "jump into Legion gameplay" once you arrived at your exploration site. I suppose that'd be quite the technological challenge, though.

Another possibility I was thinking about was some sort of black market and smuggling gameplay on stations. Something illegal which should not be done using the galnet and "official" channels but rather in person and hidden.
But here I got stuck, to be honest. What would the gameplay be? Some sort of puzzle game dodging surveillance until a meet up with either NPC or other players as trading partner can happen? I kinda doubt most players would like this.

Here, too, I think the best chance, even if it may be quite a bit in the future, for something like this to happen would be a seamless integration of Legion gameplay, so it'd actually be a shooter gameplay, maybe with emphasis on tactics.

And all this doesn't mean that you can't have areas simply for social interaction, with nothing to gain gameplay-wise which would legitimate making it safe, according to the risk/reward thing: Don't allow any weapons in those areas. Brawling could be allowed but bouncers (from CONCORD, haha. ... just kidding) will come and throw you out if you attack someone who doesn't fight back or something like that.

[snip] till then... these threads are pointless.

Sadly, having intelligent discussion at all would be take an act of god. Seriously, have you read what gets posted around here? These guys howl and wail at sunset because the sky changed, and then hide in their caves and shitpost on the walls about what an ******* God is for having changed something, and now they can't farm antelope meat drops without getting ganked by sabertooth tigers because of this 'darkness' feature.

You'll get trolled here no matter what feature you propose, but WiS in particular. Usually from the same people who are hot to propose that high sec be eliminated and all the people in it have their isk deleted and be herded into lowsec in their pods for easy kills. Which is actually a much worse idea, but you'd be surprised how many endorse it.

Attacking the tone of the other forum posters doesn't exactly help either, how exactly are you going to have a productive discussion after you litter your OP with snide remarks. Go learn how to communicate with a modicum of civility and you might find it reciprocated.

tl;dr. EVE is considered to be the toughest game out there, the hardest to learn and even harder to master; 'spreadsheets in space' they call it. The players take pride in being older, maturer and arguable more intelligent, and yet, when a forum post is more than 10 sentences their brains melt and they demand a 'tl;dr'.

GÇ£WiS is deadGÇ¥, GÇ£it would ruin EVEGÇ¥, GÇ£it won't workGÇ¥, GÇ£it would add nothingGÇ¥ and GÇ£it has no gameplayGÇ¥.

Before we jump straight to those conclusions I'd like to make a quick case for being open minded around ambulation in EVE.

The other main point of my thread is that this kind of work should happen now, while Legion is in development, and is why I think the thread isn't pointless. That link has to be built in from the ground up, with a clear plan of how EVE is going to use ambulation and how the two games will integrate.

Riyria you raise a good point about how a lot of the meaningful gameplay should be part of Legion with a seamless transition from one game to the next - I wonder how technically challenging that is? We can already transition from pod to CQ, if it's all on the same server and built to do so from the ground up, is it any different?

It's not just people forgetting history that makes them anti-WiS, its because its an easy troll target and because people tend to see problems and then decide it can't be done, instead of looking at solutions. Look at the first page of this thread and you'll see those same names in every thread trolling or making inane comments - I do have faith that there are people reading these forums who are capable of thought outside their own little bubble and it'd be great if something positive comes out of this.

I'm not pretending to know anything about game design, but the principles of this kind of project are the same everywhere you go. Work out what you want it to do in the end and then design for that goal throughout - if ambulation isn't put into EVE alongside Legion then it will be a (potential) nightmare porting it in once Legion is complete.

hahahaha

Like I'm going to read all that

WiS is not a bad idea.
As always, meaningful content is key. OP's ideas feel a bit half baked (sorry).
Technological synergy is obvious but was not enough to save another game (WoD).
Existing mini games show that CCP has to learn (loot spew, hacking game).

WoD was never released, so I don't see what you are driving at

Loot spew was removed and CCP admitted it was bad, and now exploration is better than its ever been

... EVE and Legion ...

You see why we can never have small crisp posts and need endless text walls?

... just so there's no misunderstanding, I like boobies.

Especially when they perambulate... preferably on a beach... with TiDi for that slow motion effect.