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Janette
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:27:00 -
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Hi, my name is Janette and I'm a scammer.
I recently pulled off a scam which you may or may not have heard of.
This is my side of the story.
This is one of the bigger scams in EVE and is quickly becoming known simply as "The SVE scam".
It all started when I was reading through ISS's IPO and thought to myself, that will never work. Later I found out it was very successful and made people lots of isk.
Then at their second IPO I saw even more interest, not surprising in light of their other IPO's success and soon afterwards IPOs started becoming quite popular.
I started to wonder what's the guarantee they'll make isk at all to begin with since so many people are investing?
Turns out there isn't any.
How simple it would be to just walk away with the isk.
Later on EGSE comes along with real *experts* that keow all about IPOs, I don't view them as real experts as there isn't much to know about them in the first place, but people seemed to trust them. This was the perfect time to strike, a lot of IPOs recently successful and people are beginning to be quite greedy.
So I layed the groundwork, wrote up a business plan and asked Exelsior to help me finish it. It was a simple idea, buy t2 BPOs and produce the items. I tryed to make the business plan very simple because, well, people are stupid.
Later Omber Zombie a well known and respected person in the community logs on, Exelsior knew him so I invite him to the convo. We talked about it and it was quite easy to convince him into being a trustee. After about 10 minutes he asked "So, what do I have to do?"
The pieces were falling into place.
They posted in my thread confirming that they will be looking at the progress and making sure I don't steal the profits.
24 hrs later I post a Sell Order thread.
My Inbox was instantly bombarded and I was recieving convos sooner than I could press accept on the earlier one.
4 hours into the actual sale I'd already made 19 billion, I kept on making small sales every now and then.
The next day I woke up with 25 billion sitting in my wallet.
I was quite satisfied with it and once I could quit my corporation I changed the original business plan to one sentence including a link and awaited the flames.
The flames you can easily find in Market Discussion portion of the forums but since you're lazy and you know you are here's a link and another link and another link and another link.
I implore you not to flame ths thread but simply say shame on you and your point will be made.
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Dirk Mender
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:38:00 -
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Wow. 25 bil, eh? Congrats.
Alms for the poor, Sir? 
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Kresh Vladir
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Posted - 2006.06.13 05:04:00 -
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ok i must of read it wrong but what is an ipo and what did u do exactly? to get them to send u the isk?
i just got u had somthing todo w/ a t2 bpo and u had trusted ppl posting in ur sell order thread
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Kirex
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Posted - 2006.06.13 05:04:00 -
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lol nice.
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Valeria Nester
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Posted - 2006.06.13 05:47:00 -
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this has never been done before
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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks 'nothing is worth war' is much worse. |
Janette
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Posted - 2006.06.13 05:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Valeria Nester
this has never been done before
successfully
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Valeria Nester
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Posted - 2006.06.13 05:55:00 -
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now all we have to do is sit back and await the 100 new IPO scam attempts
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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks 'nothing is worth war' is much worse. |
Zyth Morduc
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Posted - 2006.06.13 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Janette
Originally by: Valeria Nester
this has never been done before
successfully
Welcome to three years ago
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Janette
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Posted - 2006.06.13 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zyth Morduc
Originally by: Janette
Originally by: Valeria Nester
this has never been done before
successfully
Welcome to three years ago
Didn't know about that, btw that's long 
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Hell's Wraith
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Posted - 2006.06.13 06:36:00 -
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if ever you quit eve can I have your stuff or more importantly your isk
(took 2 login attempts to post this)
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.06.13 06:44:00 -
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Lol well played 
Been done before or not, 25bill is a nice haul 
Greed > Intelligence
Alliaanna
Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-=
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.06.13 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zyth Morduc
Welcome to three years ago
That story is made up afaik.
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.13 07:20:00 -
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rofl ; most pathetic attempt at self glorification I have ever seen.
May ferrets from this day forth never cease to try and find ways to enter you through all orifices.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.06.13 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: stingy CEO
rofl ; most pathetic attempt at self glorification I have ever seen.
May ferrets from this day forth never cease to try and find ways to enter you through all orifices.
Didn't you lose 1.5bill ?
Someone need a hug lol
Alliaanna
Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-=
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.13 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: stingy CEO on 13/06/2006 07:32:57
I lost 2 bil tbf, and I don't mind losing a single cent of it. Plenty more where that came from.
I just condemn what she did because it didn't have any positive side to it, she just destroyed the possibility for smaller corporations to IPO for awhile, and that hurts the POOR people who dont have billions to invest in chunks into bpo's, but that can afford some low priced shares.
She also turned alot of people into cynics, and has demonstrated that ccp is a bunch of bozos that prefer to create ships that maybe 2 peope in the game can ever fly than to create some tools to make a stockmarket workable.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
FACT
and how is she hailed by the 16 y/o poor pvp crowd: OMG CONGRATSJOOSOKEWL
she is right about one thing , people are stupid.
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Minuet
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Posted - 2006.06.13 07:41:00 -
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Why is it even still allowed to post?
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.13 07:53:00 -
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If I tell you why, I will get banned.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.06.13 07:58:00 -
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well done. i was already wondering when those retards giving out their isk to "trusted" corporations would finally get burned.
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Scary Noises
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Posted - 2006.06.13 08:20:00 -
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Really, what did people expect? You "invested" in something with no track record and little in the way of accountability. Even gambling is better, atleast then you know the odds. |
Juutalainen
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Posted - 2006.06.13 08:38:00 -
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Tbh i think its a bit unfair on all partys involved, Eve needs somthing gms should give back isk and ban op only fair thing to do it seems like a scam on the forums.
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Weebear
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Posted - 2006.06.13 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Juutalainen
Tbh i think its a bit unfair on all partys involved, Eve needs somthing gms should give back isk and ban op only fair thing to do it seems like a scam on the forums.
You can't ban the OP, scamming isn't against the EULA.
If the possibilty of unfair things happening in this game wasn't there then 90% of people wouldn't play. |
Eepzy Nimbles
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Posted - 2006.06.13 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: stingy CEO
I lost 2 bil tbf
GG.
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I just condemn what she did because it didn't have any positive side to it,
I think she would see this differently, considering she made 25 billion isk...
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I just condemn what she did because it didn't have any positive side to it, she just destroyed the possibility for smaller corporations to IPO for awhile, and that hurts the POOR people who dont have billions to invest in chunks into bpo's, but that can afford some low priced shares.
She also turned alot of people into cynics, and has demonstrated that ccp are a bunch of bozo' s that prefer to create ships that maybe 2 people in the game can ever fly than to create some tools to make a stockmarket workable.
I'm sorry, but I really have no idea what you are saying here. Scams are as much a part of this game as IPOs. To accomplish something like this in EVE, you should need to build up trust before proceeding. I presume this will be an expensive, but valuable lesson to everyone that they should not blindly trust these IPOs.
This does not mean that unknown corporations won't be able to do IPOs, it just means that they will need to build up sufficient trust before doing so.
As for your 'ships that maybe 2 people can fly', I assume you are referring to Titans. How many people can fly them is relevant here.
Let us assume for a moment Ascendant Frontier would build a Titan. At the time of this posting, that would benefit 3723 different characters, even if only one or two of them could actually fly the ship.
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and how is she hailed by the 16 y/o poor pvp crowd: OMG CONGRATSJOOSOKEWL
OMG CONGRATSJOOSOKEWL.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.06.13 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: stingy CEO
Edited by: stingy CEO on 13/06/2006 07:36:47
Cry Cry Cry
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
FACT
and how is she hailed by the 16 y/o poor pvp crowd: OMG CONGRATSJOOSOKEWL
umm , 23, Steady job, responsibilities etc...
Generalisations are bad mkay.
You put your trust in another and got burned. More fool you
Alliaanna
Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-=
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.06.13 09:22:00 -
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Good going Artemis :)
Sig dimensions must be no more than 400W x 120H - Cathath ([email protected])
Originally by: Seleene
This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
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Magic Trev
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Posted - 2006.06.13 09:29:00 -
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"and how is she hailed by the 16 y/o poor pvp crowd: OMG CONGRATSJOOSOKEWL"
people like you genuinly **** me off... im 16, and know plenty of other 16 year old players in this game who are all perfectly mature and decent members of the community, yet we get classed as the flaming whingy types due to our age, well it seems to me the only person in this thread showing immaturity is yourself.
I ♥ irony
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.06.13 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Buraken v2 on 13/06/2006 09:57:41
Originally by: stingy CEO
I lost 2 bil tbf, and I don't mind losing a single cent of it.
From a dude named 'stingy', dunno if i belive that
Originally by: Mang0o
200m sexy ill bid on yours becouse you are so cute 
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.13 09:59:00 -
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Wow, 25 billion and being known as a scumbag until she uses a new main. Hmm... And your calling her stupid?
Honestly, I cant be bothered, apart from the fact I'm too lazy, I'm too kind hearted to people I like, so me doing that is out of the question.
But shes earnt, and by earnt I mean scammed, but still put effort in, 25 billion ISK.
This is why I've never put money into an IPO, and will only do so to trusted people, established people.
I prefer to put ISK down on a EVE-Radio.com lottery. I've won plenty of those before.
Kudos to the investors that wernt whining, it really does suck to see you guys lose your money... But can we really smacktalk the OP for finding a way from zero ISK to zero respect?
She wont be taken seriously again, shes tarnished her name, but in the universe of clones... What does it matter to her?
So, well done, scammer. The whole of EVE is disgusted at you, primarily for what you did, secondly for making a thread about yourself. But your rich.
I hope it makes you happy.
Izo Azlion.
Sha Kharn.
Ascendant Frontier
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GrimDoomsday
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Posted - 2006.06.13 10:01:00 -
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the scam was good, but the "you are stupid" taunt link is a bit pointless/lame.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.13 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/06/2006 10:17:52
Good job. You've managed in a single day to not only betray trust that has been given to you, but to effectively destroy the whole EVE stock market system by making it impossible for any IPO to work.
The scam you did was so easy to pull off that it was in no way "cool." A friend of mine actually was considering doing it, and had planned the whole thing--it was pathetically easy!
I mean come on, its not as if she ran a Morbor-style scheme, or defrauded investors in some interesting fashion: she simply collected money and put up a link to a "You Are An Idiot SWF" that contains a virus.
And, unfortunately in EVE, there are no consequences to one's actions when one can simply buy a character and dump the old one. Alts for the lose .
Maybe if you did this with your main and continued to use your main afterwards (and didn't hide in an NPC corp to shield yourself from the wardecs), you might be considered worthy of any sort of praise. Istvaan Shogaatsu didn't hide in an NPC corp after robbing Ubiquia Seraph.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.06.13 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/06/2006 10:17:52
Good job. You've managed in a single day to not only betray trust that has been given to you, but to effectively destroy the whole EVE stock market system by making it impossible for any IPO to work.
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she simply collected money and put up a link to a "You Are An Idiot SWF" that contains a virus.
If one person managed to "destroy" them it means that the IPOs never worked and eve never had a stock market system in the first place. trying to create one based on trust instead of game mechanics doesn't work.
and virus in the idiot-flash? lol.
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