For starters, Corpum C-Type nos are cheaper and better than True Sansha and though they take up more powergrid, I'd try my best to fit them on there. Also T2 trimarks are quite cheap and give a sizeable boost to tank, I'd definitely go for those. I like the 3/2 for the nos/neut though. Other than that, faction webs would be nice but that's a personal preference/wallet thing.

You should reiterate on the second fit. An ashimmu with 3 c-type NOS and 2 neuts should land at 108k EHP with links. (126 with hardeners OH). So, plate, 3 hardeners, eanm, dcu and three trimark IIs. The anti-em pump is a waste.

Would be interested to see this fit.... i can get 108k OH'ed with the tank you suggested (not 126) and thats with a 1% CPU, and not including the more CPU intensive c-type nos's???

I also like resists more than an already inflated buffer... (im not going into an alpha fleet situation lol)

I should get CS V for my booster.

http://puu.sh/9n6k1/4119532410.png cold, http://puu.sh/9n6l7/1ba522aa96.png hot. I should get CS V for my booster.
My Ashimmu's got only C-type NOS. It 's just there to show that the fitting is sufficient to either turn two C-types to B-types OR one c-type to an A-type.

Once you cap out yourself and cap out your target, Neuts become useless. Nos cycle faster and are better for killing cap boosted setups that Neuts are.

Nos, nos, more nos.

We're wormholes here. We need to make the most out of 5 slots, we can't just cyno in a blob of poorly fitted ships.

Thus: 2 neuts, 3 nos. 5 neuts with guardian chain.

neuts and nos work better than just nos as Roses says, you dont need to run the neuts once theyre cap is out for a start, and you can always move onto another target if theyre in range The idea is to cap out the target asap and keep them there, one or 2 nos's can keep them there (unless cap boosted) the rest is gravy. If you cap yourself out your doing it wrong.

Nos was nerfed years ago for a reason, a very good reason. This ship removes that nerf and you continue to use neuts? If you are in a fleet, capping out targets, use the curse or Bhaalgorn.

Nos was nerfed years ago for a reason, a very good reason. This ship removes that nerf and you continue to use neuts? If you are in a fleet, capping out targets, use the curse or Bhaalgorn.

You're still overlooking that, no matter how much special effects and nifty magic involved, a neut still drains a capacitor at 250% the speed of a Nos. Is NOS good and viable? Yes. Are neuts vastly superior ? Yes.

So, having only gangs of 10 people max, do you want the fit with the special effects or the one that is vastly more proficient at its job?

Ed: in the case of that ashimmu fit I linked above, it got neuts and NOS in a mix so that your hardeners don't go out and you can ditch the cap chain. Also, more free mids for second web. I would use more neuts, but 3-2 is rock solid, comparably carefree and 2 neuts already instacap a proteus mid-fight.

I would love to get some numbers about the cap usage of these Ashimmus. My first feeling was "I would just fit all NOS" too. How much cap pressure can your Ashimmu take before it has to stop using Neuts?

Under a 5 man gang i would agree... after that you can start specialising ships... dedicated tackle, logi, neuts, dps... depends on whats called for or what you want to fly...
I dont even know what your thinking with the energy transfer stuff.... apart from being unusable, why would you do that when your own neuts are substantially better

There is a fit with guns.... and a brick tanked ship with no hardeners, prop, EWAR or possibly weapons isnt much of a threat...
Do you even neut?

Why would you have a shield booster on an armour ship???? burn through cap? you know these nos's donGÇÖt need that...

you sir are talking backwards...

The Ashimu is not a specialised ship. It has 3 bonuses that are independant of one another. I'd much rather have a Curse with multiple neuts and benefit from the range bonus in order to avoid being crunked at <10k ranged.

The biggest benefit of running Nos is the faction vairiants allowing you to sit at 19km and still be fully effective. Neuts without a range bonus on a medium/small hull puts you in suicide engagement range.

Curse.

Curse.

My 'Shimmu was able to keep up tackle and dualreptank under curse Neuts with 2 Nos. After 20s he capped out. So, if you are in a curse: Don't - under any circumstances - get into the Webrange of an Ashimmu. It will slow you down, suck your cap dry and tank whatever you throw at it in a Curse - while chipping away from you with 450-550dps.


Edit: I won't deny tho, that the curse is a very good ship for neuting. The Ashimmu on the other hand has these incredible Noses, so depends on what you need. I would not advise for 'Shimmu if you want a good Neuting ship for fleet usage, the range is too short imo, so you have to burn from 1 target to another.

In small gang engagements you can work even under neut pressure while (slowly) capping out opponents and dealing okay-ish damage. Plus LRWebs.

One on one it could be a close run thing lol, if the curse capped you out you would do no dmg and have no neuts lol other way round and the ashimmi would do more dmg... but it all depends on the situation

Ashimmu makes a great hard tackle, shutting down a target completely. But your right for large fleet battle, range becomes more of a factor.

Overheated Faction webs on an ashimmu makes it a much less appealing 1v1 for a curse.

Will the NOS continue to siphon the full cap amount to you, regardless of the target ships cap level?

I.E if the enemy is neuted out will NOS be capturing the same or significantly less cap?

Just wondering because it would make it a bit more difficult to keep an enemy capped out if you're running the dual web with no booster, as you would need to switch the NOS onto someone new to keep yourself stable. I guess you could leave one of the medium neuts on the old target to keep them locked down.

Ah okay, thought I'd check, haven't had much experience with neut ships and Guardians can generate it out of thin air after all :D

So if you have 3/2 setup is the best idea to neut out your closest target then throw 2 neut and 2 nos onto your next target while keeping 1 neut on your original so that you keep them from regaining enough cap to do anything useful?

Any useful tips appreciated.

All depends on the neuts lol... Curse gets its damage from drones, ashimmu from lasers, so the curse can have more neuts with out sacraficing dmg... and once the ashimmu is capped... its screwed

To say it again: with 2 medium NOS a shimmu does not get below 20% Capacitor. Even under Neuts from a Curse. You never ever cap out once you are in Nos range. And again: I ran 2 medium armor reppers and my lasers while i had a full rack of Curse neuts on me. (Might want to add that good staggered neuts will mess with you still but you can't shut down the NOSes so you will have to disengage or run into danger of being Nos'd out in the curse.)

Edit: Reppers pulsed every Nos Cycle that means ofc, tackle ran forever. (A type NOS has silly cycle times, especially with talismans)

sadly, a curse usually does not fly alone, so you're screwed anyways :P

Hmm would like to test this... i cant believe you can run all that under bonused neuts... sounds to me like the curse wasnt cycling properly?

And yeah... solo curses are rare and far between lol

Not to derail this thread but I hope they give pilgrim and curse that lovely nos bonus

Sadly that would leave the Blood Ships no longer unique, which was the idea :P