For starters, Corpum C-Type nos are cheaper and better than True Sansha and though they take up more powergrid, I'd try my best to fit them on there. Also T2 trimarks are quite cheap and give a sizeable boost to tank, I'd definitely go for those. I like the 3/2 for the nos/neut though. Other than that, faction webs would be nice but that's a personal preference/wallet thing.

You should reiterate on the second fit. An ashimmu with 3 c-type NOS and 2 neuts should land at 108k EHP with links. (126 with hardeners OH). So, plate, 3 hardeners, eanm, dcu and three trimark IIs. The anti-em pump is a waste.

Would be interested to see this fit.... i can get 108k OH'ed with the tank you suggested (not 126) and thats with a 1% CPU, and not including the more CPU intensive c-type nos's???

I also like resists more than an already inflated buffer... (im not going into an alpha fleet situation lol)

I should get CS V for my booster.

http://puu.sh/9n6k1/4119532410.png cold, http://puu.sh/9n6l7/1ba522aa96.png hot. I should get CS V for my booster.
My Ashimmu's got only C-type NOS. It 's just there to show that the fitting is sufficient to either turn two C-types to B-types OR one c-type to an A-type.

Once you cap out yourself and cap out your target, Neuts become useless. Nos cycle faster and are better for killing cap boosted setups that Neuts are.

Nos, nos, more nos.

We're wormholes here. We need to make the most out of 5 slots, we can't just cyno in a blob of poorly fitted ships.

Thus: 2 neuts, 3 nos. 5 neuts with guardian chain.

neuts and nos work better than just nos as Roses says, you dont need to run the neuts once theyre cap is out for a start, and you can always move onto another target if theyre in range The idea is to cap out the target asap and keep them there, one or 2 nos's can keep them there (unless cap boosted) the rest is gravy. If you cap yourself out your doing it wrong.

Nos was nerfed years ago for a reason, a very good reason. This ship removes that nerf and you continue to use neuts? If you are in a fleet, capping out targets, use the curse or Bhaalgorn.

Nos was nerfed years ago for a reason, a very good reason. This ship removes that nerf and you continue to use neuts? If you are in a fleet, capping out targets, use the curse or Bhaalgorn.

You're still overlooking that, no matter how much special effects and nifty magic involved, a neut still drains a capacitor at 250% the speed of a Nos. Is NOS good and viable? Yes. Are neuts vastly superior ? Yes.

So, having only gangs of 10 people max, do you want the fit with the special effects or the one that is vastly more proficient at its job?

Ed: in the case of that ashimmu fit I linked above, it got neuts and NOS in a mix so that your hardeners don't go out and you can ditch the cap chain. Also, more free mids for second web. I would use more neuts, but 3-2 is rock solid, comparably carefree and 2 neuts already instacap a proteus mid-fight.

I would love to get some numbers about the cap usage of these Ashimmus. My first feeling was "I would just fit all NOS" too. How much cap pressure can your Ashimmu take before it has to stop using Neuts?

Under a 5 man gang i would agree... after that you can start specialising ships... dedicated tackle, logi, neuts, dps... depends on whats called for or what you want to fly...
I dont even know what your thinking with the energy transfer stuff.... apart from being unusable, why would you do that when your own neuts are substantially better

There is a fit with guns.... and a brick tanked ship with no hardeners, prop, EWAR or possibly weapons isnt much of a threat...
Do you even neut?

Why would you have a shield booster on an armour ship???? burn through cap? you know these nos's donGÇÖt need that...

you sir are talking backwards...

The Ashimu is not a specialised ship. It has 3 bonuses that are independant of one another. I'd much rather have a Curse with multiple neuts and benefit from the range bonus in order to avoid being crunked at <10k ranged.

The biggest benefit of running Nos is the faction vairiants allowing you to sit at 19km and still be fully effective. Neuts without a range bonus on a medium/small hull puts you in suicide engagement range.

Curse.

Curse.

My 'Shimmu was able to keep up tackle and dualreptank under curse Neuts with 2 Nos. After 20s he capped out. So, if you are in a curse: Don't - under any circumstances - get into the Webrange of an Ashimmu. It will slow you down, suck your cap dry and tank whatever you throw at it in a Curse - while chipping away from you with 450-550dps.


Edit: I won't deny tho, that the curse is a very good ship for neuting. The Ashimmu on the other hand has these incredible Noses, so depends on what you need. I would not advise for 'Shimmu if you want a good Neuting ship for fleet usage, the range is too short imo, so you have to burn from 1 target to another.

In small gang engagements you can work even under neut pressure while (slowly) capping out opponents and dealing okay-ish damage. Plus LRWebs.

One on one it could be a close run thing lol, if the curse capped you out you would do no dmg and have no neuts lol other way round and the ashimmi would do more dmg... but it all depends on the situation

Ashimmu makes a great hard tackle, shutting down a target completely. But your right for large fleet battle, range becomes more of a factor.

Overheated Faction webs on an ashimmu makes it a much less appealing 1v1 for a curse.