Fixing POS code is next on our list after industry, as per the EVE Keynote at Fanfest this year.

Would that be released on the cycle after Crius?

What about the glut of large and especially medium towers that you have just massively reduced the demand for?

Reasonable question, we will look into this also. Towers have the relative advantage though that there are other things you can use them for, whereas a lab is just a lab.

CCP Seagull covered the new release model here, which is relevant to your question:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/from-2-expansions-to-10-releases-eve-onlines-new-release-model-explained/

Welcome back to the days following Incarna folks, CCP does not have a clue what they are doing. Random changes in expected expansions are changed with the "legacy code is hard" excuse.

Fixing POS code is next on our list after industry, as per the EVE Keynote at Fanfest this year.

Might I suggest in the future that fixing Item A, which is necessary for properly implementing Item B, occur before implementing Item B instead of after it?

Just a thought....

Hi everyone,

Update on multiple-structure bonuses for starbases.

We've just had another discussion about this system as-implemented, and based on your feedback, the technical challenges involved in implementing it in a fully user-friendly way, and the somewhat limited upsides of the feature, we've decided to cut it from Crius.

Having multiple starbase structures of the same type at a starbase will no longer grant you any bonus above those inherent in the structure itself

The only substantial downside to this is that it makes it much easier to weaponize an industry tower, so we are considering upping lab/array fitting costs substantially in a later release. We likely will not do this in Crius itself as people will need time to reconfigure their setups.

We are looking into what we can do to mitigate the expected glut of labs resulting from this change; more info as we work through this process :)

Thanks for all your feedback,
-Greyscale

CCP Seagull covered the new release model here, which is relevant to your question:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/from-2-expansions-to-10-releases-eve-onlines-new-release-model-explained/

Yeh, I saw the stream live. I am just inquiring about the expected release point of POS revamp/code cleaning.
As in if you guys had made any estimation to how long it would take.

Thx for quick replies.

I'm not CCP and I can answer that "Soon" and "It's done when it's done"

I'm afraid that "Interesting choices" is something I'm always extremely wary of when coming from CCP.

It usually comes along with artificially forcing debilitating penalties... like freighter hull upgrades, which nerf the very thing a freighter is designed for, but are necessary just to get you back to something reasonable.

A POS tower should be defended, and heavily, the notion that you can just take your things out is absolute nonsense. BPOs sure, but what about anything which is already building? There is no way to evacuate that short of pressing the cancel button and losing everything you put into it, and I'd hardly call that an evacuation.

A high value POS tower is not like a high-value ship, like a supercarrier, even though they may quite easily be comparable in value. A tower is constantly exposed, night and day, any timezone. Your suggestion is to force more value into them, and then make it even harder to fit defenses on? ... and don't even get me started on the mess of things like lock-downs and corporate roles.

Come the indy changes, every POS tower should be armed to the teeth, and rightly so. Hitting a major industrial complex should be a massive undertaking, with significant risk associated with it. The owner of the POS is already taking a huge risk using it; the destruction of a POS can potentially lose billions or even tens of billions when existing jobs are aborted.

"I'm going to base my factory in Baghdad, but once I've finished buying the machinery, I'll just have to go without hiring any guards because ~arbitrary limit~" -- Said nobody ever.

Nah doing POSes before Industry would have been madness. Cart before the horse.

CCP devs, don't forget those of us who are extremely excited for the upcoming changes, everything looks great. Cart before the horse is totally logical, and we really appreciate the effort and vision.

We are just too busy, ya know, enjoying eve to hurl an equivalent level of praise as the apocalyptic naysayers.

A little confused here.

This means that I'll now be paying an addition 500m+ a month for the pos on top of the taxes I would pay in station but receive no additional benefit for the additional isk I pay out?

Nah doing POSes before Industry would have been madness. Cart before the horse.

Please stop basing your priorities on cute little sayings.

Hi everyone,

Update on multiple-structure bonuses for starbases.

We've just had another discussion about this system as-implemented, and based on your feedback, the technical challenges involved in implementing it in a fully user-friendly way, and the somewhat limited upsides of the feature, we've decided to cut it from Crius.

Having multiple starbase structures of the same type at a starbase will no longer grant you any bonus above those inherent in the structure itself

The only substantial downside to this is that it makes it much easier to weaponize an industry tower, so we are considering upping lab/array fitting costs substantially in a later release. We likely will not do this in Crius itself as people will need time to reconfigure their setups.

We are looking into what we can do to mitigate the expected glut of labs resulting from this change; more info as we work through this process :)

Thanks for all your feedback,
-Greyscale

The messaging on this has not been sufficiently clear because we (I) have been viewing the multiple-structure bonus as an additional little extra rather than a core balance driver, and weren't expecting people to view it as a make-or-break bonus in comparison to the above list. Sorry for not being clearer about this sooner :)

For those who haven't twigged to it yet -- these changes are being made with the expectation that it will cause a drawdown in starbase usage. This is why they are coupling it with an increase in fuel usage for jumping capitals, using jump bridges, and firing the titan doomsday weapons.

...The net result is a 30% reduction in fuel block efficiency in all empire held space. That should address the glut, somewhat.

The whole point of the original consideration of stacking bonuses was to handle the fact that otherwise, and without slots, only one of each industry posdule type is needed for a given area of use.

This is hand waving at it's very best. You don't cancel an entire section of content because some people cannot fathom things happening on a 1 hour cycle. Would you remove the rest of starbase mechanics affected by this 1 hour cycle until it can be very carefully presented to the layest of men? Or would you leave the content in to be used with a note in a description or two explaining there is such a cycle, while working on a way to make it clearer in a later patch?