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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Rthor on 13/06/2006 17:35:09
No good dead should be left unpunished. You screwed CCP by admitting in public forums that you got bailed out in EVE.
Personally I stay away from such investments because I think that they are risky. Look nobody is asking you to share your profits if you win but it is not fair to get your money back if you lose.
This talk about how it is CCPs fault because they designed game wrong sounds like RL lobbying. Maybe CCP feels pressure to give money back for their own good but it really looks like real life politics with CCP being the government and scammed people being politically connected and this scam being some kind of a pork project and the rest of the Eve community looking at this like RL non-politically connected people thinking "WTF is going on in my country."
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 21:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Nobody seemed to complain then, so why are they complaining now?
Because we all lost money on some kind of scam. And here you are explaining why your case was special when it was not regardless of 100s of pages that you are writing in defense of this action. If CCP's goal is to nurture IPOs they could do it WITHOUT refunding money in this case. They could just change the rules as they did and make losses stick.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
CCP does change the rules and apply them ex post facto, and nobody has seen anything wrong with this in the past.
You would be surprised no doubt if you found out that vast majority of players would be against a refund to specific person. "Nobody has seen anything wrong...", are you kidding me?
I think that most of the people who lost stuff either to a scam or mistake or game mechanics and never even bothered to petition it do not agree with your claims that everybody agrees with your point of view.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:19:00 -
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Respect to those scammed who do not ask for reimbursment.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Taurequis
Edited by: Taurequis on 13/06/2006 23:31:24
Originally by: Rthor
Respect to those scammed who do not ask for reimbursment.
Tbh i've struggled to find many posts in any of the threads by peeps who actually put cash towards this actually asking for thier cash back.
The majority of us (and the post by us you notice) are just wanting a bit more accountability in the whole thing and some clarification and some extra game features.
Respect to all non flamers is due. Promote discussion, not locks.
Best Regards,
Taurequis
edit - pls note that its becoming clear that it doesnt even matter if you have petitioned. Some who havnt have got their isk back. Others who have, have not. So peeps should wait for the gm statement before critising anyone, if at all.
It just had to be said that just because people got scammed that does not make them stupid. They were not careful with money and they lost it. If they dont want it back then, and I hope not to be patronizing if possible, I think that they learned their lesson and they are on their way to understanding this game and possibly RL also. And this is why Eve is a good game. It really is true that the people who stay on in this game are capable of handling risk. The key to this game is not making enough bad decisions in a row. So if you got scammed here you should learn from this and not make another decision or two in a row that are bad because it could kill you in this game. Helping you to erase the consequences of this scam by reimbursing you only postpones the learning of the lesson of this game which is: learn to handle risk properly. To put it differently you get helped now and all it does is you make another mistake just like this one shortly thereafter.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
The arguments were not for reimbursement. Just for some method of retaliation. Even if it was nothing more than taking the isk and trashing it.
Look in Eve most of the time there is no retaliation. If I lose my ship to somebody and want to track them down to pay them back it just is not going to happen. Even if somehow I will be able to find them and wait for them to log on I can just lose another ship to him or his friends which would be even dumber and entertaining for them. Most of the time there is no retaliation in Eve. This is just something that you have to accept. And asking GMs to help in your retaliation is weak.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.14 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
For myself, I am simply seeing which people offer something worth reading, like you for instance, and pretty much adding those who don't add anything useful to the list of those who do scams or are bitter that they've been stung in the past.
Stuff like this does bring out the extremes in the community. Nothing like a crucible to make people show their real colors eh?
This is not your blog.
If you dont get it its OK but please dont derail this thread.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.14 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Rthor
This is not your blog.
This is my blog. It's been around longer than you have... I have no fear of blogging my thoughts there. However here I add something to the discussion along with a few personal thoughts of my own.
/me shrugs and dismisses the hostility.
due dilligence
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