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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:31:00 -
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As of 13:24 on the 13th of June, I was sent 500m by GM [6203].
I thank thee from all my heart 
My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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Ariu Devine
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:37:00 -
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Yes. Thank you very much.
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: stingy CEO on 13/06/2006 13:43:55
as much as I am inclined to thank you for my 2 billion isk, I don't think its quite fair tbh to future investors and past scam victims.
What is needed is the willingness to brainstorm/ help implement tools for the stockmarket to protect itself in some way against such things, otherwise my 2 billion is a drop on a hot plate.
Given the fact that I was very loud about ccp not acting on this, I will now shut up a bit because obviously i started getting bitter too soon, but i still think alot of very good points have been made in the various threads and it needs serious consideration and maybe a reaction from someone from the devs ?
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Eton Favre
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:43:00 -
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Just wanted to say thank you I had already written the money off. nice suprise in my wallet Thanks again.
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Gully Smit
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:46:00 -
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I had 90% faith in the CCP.
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Jaeger Orlofsson
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:49:00 -
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WTS: Galaxy Shipyard and GPSx shares 
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Braendig
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:54:00 -
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If my account has been credited the amount of ISK I spent on the IPO, I'm grateful. As I haven't logged in recently, I can't know for sure, but the tenor of the posts here suggests that monies have been returned.
This brings up the greater point about the other 'known' scams that have been perpetrated in the past (MMA and others). Unless I haven't been paying as much attention as I thought I have, all the 'failed' IPOs other than GPSx have been scams. Where is the return of those monies? It shouldn't be any more difficult to track down than it was to find this money.
And while we're at it, I'd like to find out the feasiblity of allowing a shareholder sponsored vote on GPSx for liquidation of the corporation's holdings and seizure of the CEO's assets to repay investors.
Once again, I'm thankful that this particular IPO scam has been resolved to everyone's satisfaction (or at least the satisfaction of the investors, if noone else is happy about it), but I would appreciate some similar action on other IPO scams perpetrated along similar, almost identical, lines in the past.
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:55:00 -
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I just checked ingame, I wasnt refunded after all .... yet ^^
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:57:00 -
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I'm sure the guys that made eve are no dummies..... they realise very well that refunding this scam has as a logical effect: refunding ipo scams of the past
(which imo is a bad idea, I repeat i'd prefer to see some more meaningfull changes instead of a refund)
Ah well we will see.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:57:00 -
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The very definition of pathetic. Revell in your hollow victory.
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:58:00 -
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I've not checked my bank balance as yet. But im impressed that CCP have gone to the efforts of refunding isk.
But i echo stingy in saying its not what he or I wanted in this case. It opens a can of worms about refunding past scam ipos which distracts from what we are trying to achive with these posts.
I'll hold off posting more just now as i'm sure there will be a ccp/gm announcement soon regarding the subject and any proposed clarification/changes to the rules.
Best Regards,
Taurequis
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Braendig
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
The very definition of pathetic. Revell in your hollow victory.
Pathetic for expecting a game that is predicated upon the corporation as the founding block for the entire socioeconomic system of the galaxy to have -some- methodology for shareholders of a corporation to exert some control or oversight of it? To be able to audit books, prosecute embezzlement and recover stolen funds?
I really don't know what more to say; you're allowed your opinion and I reserve the right to mine.
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Ariu Devine
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:07:00 -
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Lets not let this turn into a flame fest please.
We need to have an open dialogue with CCP on how we can fix this system. Obviously it was never thought in the original creation of the share system to be used for IPO's, and if it was, then the possibility for IPO scams such as this were an oversight.
Many idea's have come forward and we need to get something in place that will help protect us until we get a permenant solution.
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Gully Smit
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Gully Smit on 13/06/2006 14:13:53
in general MY opinion of scamming in any game is that...in many cases (or nearly all) these crimes are unpunishable......that imo is bad news for any community.
that has to change.
EVEJAIL!
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:12:00 -
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Even if the GMs gave you your money back - noone of you will be able to ever remove the taint of total personal failure. You messed up, and the gods came in to safe you. I messed up as well, but unlike everyone else, i do not place the blame on anyone but myself.
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: stingy CEO on 13/06/2006 14:15:53
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Even if the GMs gave you your money back - noone of you will be able to ever remove the taint of total personal failure. You messed up, and the gods came in to safe you. I messed up as well, but unlike everyone else, i do not place the blame on anyone but myself
i think your atavist/darwinistic view of EVE Economics is hopelessly outdated and although I agree with you that just a refund would be a bad thing, I think you are a very dumb person if you can't see that if this little revolt in all these posts leads to improvements in the economic aspect of EVE, it was a good thing.
Still haven't been refunded, but i'm waiting more for the stressed out underpayed CCP dev to come up with an answer to the ****load of questions asked in the last days of this debacle.
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Even if the GMs gave you your money back - noone of you will be able to ever remove the taint of total personal failure. You messed up, and the gods came in to safe you. I messed up as well, but unlike everyone else, i do not place the blame on anyone but myself.
I made a public apology for making others feel safer about this investment, as did Omber Zombie. No where have I gone into a flame fest against Janette or whined about being scammed. I put the blame on myself, and partially CCP for not getting the game mechanics in order. If you find this pathetic i'm afraid you need to re-check the definition with a dictionnary my friend.
My Blog with freighter services/preliminary IPO business plan
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Even if the GMs gave you your money back - noone of you will be able to ever remove the taint of total personal failure. You messed up, and the gods came in to safe you. I messed up as well, but unlike everyone else, i do not place the blame on anyone but myself.
/signed
Originally by: Seleene
This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
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Ariu Devine
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:24:00 -
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I've tried to keep up with all the posts over the last 24 hours dealing with this. And to be quite honest, I dont think I have seen anyone really whine about losing their money. There were those who felt certain ways.
But I believe it comes down to people have finally had enough and that something needs to be done about it. As players, there is only so much we can do. And as the game expands, the devs have to be willing to expand with us.
My main concern now is that the refund has happened, that alot of people will just shut up and not continue on in pursuit of fixing the system. But expect that everytime something like this happens, to be saved. And I dont want that.
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Treelox
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:28:00 -
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I think that it was the mitigating circumstances that got us a refund on this one. Using the forums to assist a scam, aswell as gloating afterwards multiple times.
Makes sense in an RP sort of way...
The thief who makes his heist and leaves never to be heard from, gets away with the crime. The thief who stands up and brags about his ill gotten gains, gets caught.
pigs get fed....hogs get slaughtered....
CCP, thank you very much. I would like to see an official response to this whole issue at sometime.
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Gully Smit
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:28:00 -
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CCP wouldn't refund the isk UNLESS they had a failproof sa***aurd from this repeating.
CCP may have grappled with developing what players did on thier owm (the eve stock exchange) and would have forseen something like this happening. They might have a fix for it imo.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 13/06/2006 14:34:15
Originally by: Exelsior
Edited by: Exelsior on 13/06/2006 14:21:50
Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
The very definition of pathetic. Revell in your hollow victory.
I made a public apology for making others feel safer about this investment, as did Omber Zombie. No where have I gone into a flame fest against Janette or whined about being scammed. I put the blame on myself, and partially CCP for not getting the game mechanics in order. If you find this pathetic i'm afraid you need to re-check the definition with a dictionary my friend.
Sorry for making it not clear. Nowhere did i say that you, OZ, fem, or EMFI are "pathetic". The entire situation is. You made mistakes, real ones. (EMFI did not check the brother of Artemis etc). That can happen, defeat is one part of the battle. Note that unless someone of is a GM / dev in disguise, nothing you ever said or did could really influence the conclusion of this drama.
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Gully Smit
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:53:00 -
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another idea...perhaps they view this as an exploit...without some kind of safe method in place........common scams have one basic element of stupidity....I really don't believe the investors are being stupid...and that it's CCPs responsibility to protect these trades.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:02:00 -
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*Sigh*. CCP caving in and giving back the isks that people were socially engineered to give away is opening a massive pandoras box of similar claims, rants, whines and demands.
"10 months ago I bought a shuttle off the market for 9mil, not 9k. Where's my 8,991,000 isk CCP !!!!!111oneoneeleven!"
Max 
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: stingy CEO on 13/06/2006 15:18:44
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My main concern now is that the refund has happened, that alot of people will just shut up and not continue on in pursuit of fixing the system. But expect that everytime something like this happens, to be saved. And I dont want that.
QFT
(note that I haven't been refunded yet, and if ccp does nothing to adress the problems made clear by what happened, IF I do get a refund, I will go through the entire mess of tyring to refund those most heavily hit by previous IPO scams, as far as my 2 billion reaches
Also, I cannot force the others that got refunded in this IPO to do the same, but I strongly encourage it, as keeping the mo,ney without real changes would be just unfair to those that got scammed in the GPSX for example))
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Lesbos
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: stingy CEO
Edited by: stingy CEO on 13/06/2006 15:18:44
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My main concern now is that the refund has happened, that alot of people will just shut up and not continue on in pursuit of fixing the system. But expect that everytime something like this happens, to be saved. And I dont want that.
QFT
(note that I haven't been refunded yet, and if ccp does nothing to adress the problems made clear by what happened, IF I do get a refund, I will go through the entire mess of tyring to refund those most heavily hit by previous IPO scams, as far as my 2 billion reaches
Also, I cannot force the others that got refunded in this IPO to do the same, but I strongly encourage it, as keeping the mo,ney without real changes would be just unfair to those that got scammed in the GPSX for example))
I got scammed beyond believe stingy. Thanks for your offer. Send money to me and call 0800-YOUDIDITAGAIN 
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:23:00 -
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last random thought for today:
Would be kind of fun if mirial now gets her BPOs back.
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Gully Smit
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:25:00 -
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"10 months ago I bought a shuttle off the market for 9mil, not 9k. Where's my 8,991,000 isk CCP !!!!!111oneoneeleven!"Rolling Eyes
I don't think stupidity is involved in what these investors are doing......CCP should make this new area of trade safe. someone can easily pay their boker too much isk or get too many shares(both of which happened to me and I returned the shares..and my isk was returned too because it could be corrected by players).
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Taurequis on 13/06/2006 15:29:35
Originally by: stingy CEO
Edited by: stingy CEO on 13/06/2006 15:18:44
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My main concern now is that the refund has happened, that alot of people will just shut up and not continue on in pursuit of fixing the system. But expect that everytime something like this happens, to be saved. And I dont want that.
QFT
(note that I haven't been refunded yet, and if ccp does nothing to adress the problems made clear by what happened, IF I do get a refund, I will go through the entire mess of tyring to refund those most heavily hit by previous IPO scams, as far as my 2 billion reaches
Also, I cannot force the others that got refunded in this IPO to do the same, but I strongly encourage it, as keeping the mo,ney without real changes would be just unfair to those that got scammed in the GPSX for example))
Welldone,
Was just thinking that myself. But i've only got my 75 mil to chip into the pot (if it gets refunded).
We are, and most of the other people defrauded by this scam are, posting because we want to stimulate some change, not get our cash back.
There is a wonderful, player driven new aspect to this great game we love being developed over the last few months in this forum and the minds of many bright and inspired people. CCP cannot and must not fail to reconise the benifits to the game and the community, as a whole, of this IPO/Share buisness.
Again i'll try and reserve any further comment until I know the exact actions the GMs/CCP have in mind. But many many good suggestions have been discussed here in the last 24 hours between the random flames.
Best Regards,
Taurequis
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:33:00 -
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Maybe my example was extreme, but the investor pressed the "send money" button, no-one else. Why did they do it? Because the scammer set it up very cleverly, duped a couple of upstanding members of the community into helping him and should IMO get the reward.
Nothing in Eve is safe, and it shouldn't be. Investors made the mistake of trusting an unknown with their isk, and should pay the price. Same as if a PvPer jumped a BS into an enemy camp without a scout.
Max
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