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Retromash
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:21:00 -
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Buy Your EVE ISK Safely!
For your account security, we highly recommend using " ESCROW" if you're buying ISK more than 500 million at a time from us.
procedure:
1. Put up an escrow for the amount you're buying with a low value item to all player.
For example: if you have bought 600 million isk, then you will need to set a 1 day escrow with 1 unit Tirtanium for 600mil price. If you don't know how to use escrow, please read 4.
2. That way in case CCP asks the buyer, he can say that he was doing a scam on
escrow, which is legal in game.
3.We will claim the escrow as soon as possible, so you get the ISK in 100% safe way.
*4 How to set escrow?
1).get a cheap stuff in the station( usually 1 unit ore or material)
2).Choose "Missions" from station service menu, select "ESCROW"
3). Select "Enter items into escrow"
4).choose your current Station and item; and fill the options with following:
Price = amount you orderd
expire time = 1day,
Pilot = None, you donĘt need to fill the option.
5.) click "Submit Contract"
And I hope the idiot who sent me the evemail gets ganked HARD!
PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month.
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Sha Xian
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:23:00 -
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nicely done, you've just informed the whole of eve on how to sell ISK in a very hard traceable way.
Sha
My First Movie | My Second Movie
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Ilmonstre
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:24:00 -
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just petition it next time ccp will act on it.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:25:00 -
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Sigh...
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Yuri Voronin
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:25:00 -
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And he advertized it in a way that won't get him banned.
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nev Clavain on 13/06/2006 15:36:10
Blame CCP not the messenger.
They created the farcical escrow system. They were happy to allow it to degenerate into really nothing but a career path for brainless scammers (as opposed to intelligent scammers - who are far more interesting).
Blame CCP who did absolutely nothing but hand out waste of time responses to all their customers who got scammed because of laughable game mechanics they put in place.
Now CCP are getting bitten in the ass by their own lousy invention - GOOD, maybe there is such a thing as celestial justice after all. Maybe they'll finally sort out the utter ****pit that escrow is.
Now this might be going way too far aswell but...Maybe one day a CCP member will actually have to submit a petition themselves and endure the utter Bull**** response they get and something might happen there - like start by hiring someone who knows a first thing about customer care, or even general manners would be a start.
Other than that - nice game, thanks.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:39:00 -
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Wardec!
You wont post silly info again! 
Signature Remove, not Eve related. -ReverendM ([email protected])
"But...it was Monty Python! You Dev's are souless!!" - Twilight Moon
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:40:00 -
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That is quoted from the site in the spam evemails, right?
Yeah, i highlighted this when they started.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sha Xian
nicely done, you've just informed the whole of eve on how to sell ISK in a very hard traceable way.
Sha
Yes, I bet 99% of all isk sellers did not knew this already and are using this very same technique. He just posted a until now not widespread at all trade secret. Really!
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:11:00 -
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stop flaming this guy, it's on the main page of the site that's been eve-mailed around by noobs.
k?
It only takes 2 eyes and a brain.
Shinnen
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Retromash
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:20:00 -
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Ilmonstre - I did
Yuri Voronin - Didn't mention the web address
Twilight Moon - Wardec? When?
HippoKing - Yes
Shinnen - Frequently, the eyes are closed, and the brain doesn't work anyway.
I'm waiting for
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Contracts
Taking the current Escrow and Courier system to new heights. This replaces fully the Escrow and Courier system, adding more complex forms of contracts, with Reverse Escrow, Two-step Contracts, Auctions and so on. This opens up a whole new dimension for creating "missions" for your corp members, better manage outsourceing to trusted corporations and create alliance contracts - or missions, all of if leaving a nice paper trail which you can then measure performance from historically.
And maybe then all will be well. (Not likely, though)
PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:56:00 -
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thx for letting us know,
/me is off selling/buying isk
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What you gonna do, when I come for yoU!?
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:02:00 -
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the only thing to do is dro NPC corps altogether.
noob corp with a 2 week time limit.
if you leave a player cor or are fired, you go into a lone state, where you can be war-dec'd for a smaller fee. Then raise the war bill all around.
lone: 2mil ISK per week
corp: 15mil per week
alliance: 100mil per week
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
thx for letting us know,
/me is off selling/buying isk
Deserves a ban right there.
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Cylynex
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:11:00 -
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Simple filtering system for escrow would solve a lot of escrow problems (such as filter out names, items, search, etc), or perhaps allow us to sell more things on that REALLY GREAT market system that is used by practically nobody because you can't sell stuff like BPCs on it....
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Moghydin on 13/06/2006 17:13:21
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
thx for letting us know,
/me is off selling/buying isk
Deserves a ban right there.
May be he meant to do this with GTC's. You know, from CCP point of view it's a great way of being successfull in game
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
thx for letting us know,
/me is off selling/buying isk
Deserves a ban right there.
wts: sarcasm spotting skillbook
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What you gonna do, when I come for yoU!?
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain
Maybe they'll finally sort out the utter ****pit that escrow is.
Maybe the replacement of escrow by a new mission system has been part of the plan for Kali for months already.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain
Blame CCP not the messenger.
<snip rant>
How much did you get scammed for?
And the day they disalow escrow scams will be a sad day for freedom of action within Eve.
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.13 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nev Clavain on 13/06/2006 18:18:41
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Nev Clavain
Blame CCP not the messenger.
<snip rant>
How much did you get scammed for?
And the day they disalow escrow scams will be a sad day for freedom of action within Eve.
Read my post again, I criticise brainless scammers not all scammers. I've been scammed and I have also scammed people myself. Thing is, escrow system as it stands makes it far too easy to scam and get away with it. Brainless; risking absolutely nothing. 50% of escrow is just nonsense because of this. Escrow needs redesigning, and it is being redesigned.
Scamming should be what it is supposed to be - intelligent, tricky etc. Currently I don't think even 1% of escrow scams meet those criteria. At least put in some tools: like filters to enable the escrow-user to wade through the crap more effectively, cos I for one am bored of seeing page after page of the same person's dumb scam.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2006.06.13 18:25:00 -
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I'd suspect this sort of sale history is pretty traceable. If someone gets 'scammed' regularly for high amounts of isk then it's a good indication of what is going on.
Of course, if they use a different character/account each time they get 'scammed' it may be harder... but even then trial accounts shouldn't have 600 mil isk right off the bat to get 'scammed' with.
Get your own set of jump clones for 15 million ISK! |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.13 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain
Edited by: Nev Clavain on 13/06/2006 18:18:41
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Nev Clavain
Blame CCP not the messenger.
<snip rant>
How much did you get scammed for?
And the day they disalow escrow scams will be a sad day for freedom of action within Eve.
Read my post again, I criticise brainless scammers not all scammers. I've been scammed and I have also scammed people myself. Thing is, escrow system as it stands makes it far too easy to scam and get away with it. Brainless; risking absolutely nothing. 50% of escrow is just nonsense because of this. Escrow needs redesigning, and it is being redesigned.
Scamming should be what it is supposed to be - intelligent, tricky etc. Currently I don't think even 1% of escrow scams meet those criteria. At least put in some tools: like filters to enable the escrow-user to wade through the crap more effectively, cos I for one am bored of seeing page after page of the same person's dumb scam.
It's very very hard to weed out "smart" scams from "dumb" ones without a Human checking them, and it's an effort which shouldn't be made - it is, again, a matter of freedom.
And I first asked for escrow ignore what... 2 years ago? Long needed, but for other reasons too.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:10:00 -
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This just begs the question:
"If a legit player sets up the 'sells' for isk sellers, and manages to get isk sellers to give them the isk and not the actual buyer, is the scammer going to get a beatdown with the banstick?
I'd hope not since they aren't actually buying the isk, but at the same time, CCP can't be certain the person didnt buy it.
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:18:00 -
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Quite frankly, you people are making me want to cancel my sub.
CCP should ban all of you from the forums for a day.
It is very simple, the Scam was NOT ingame.
Try scamming to sell a character in the forum and see if a GM will intervene and return the items to the victim.
You people are SICK. I mean, this fixation of scams is just plain weird. |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:20:00 -
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The rationale for THAT is that real life cash is involved in the transfer, etc.
Which is...more understandable, and the action is by its nature OOC. The scam? IC.
And can I have your stuff?
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
The rationale for THAT is that real life cash is involved in the transfer, etc.
Which is...more understandable, and the action is by its nature OOC. The scam? IC.
And can I have your stuff?
No, but you can get a life. Forum Scams are against the rules.
Maybe you should train Reading Level 1 |
Marnix
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:28:00 -
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Please go ahead with that sub cancelling, thanks.
Alt to avoid main bannage.
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix
Please go ahead with that sub cancelling, thanks.
Oh really? And who made you GM? My voice is just as important as yours.
Just because I choose to defend the GM instead of attack them like the rest of you, I should quit the game?
Sorry buddy, I aint going anywhere. I just changed my mind.
Now GET STUFFED. |
Didly PooBear
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:40:00 -
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:42:00 -
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Because you're chosing to defend a GM descision which flys in the face of everything CCP promotes about Eve. And you're making unsupported inferences about pure-ISK scams being against the rules ANYWHERE, as previously known.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:44:00 -
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We should all put up one unit of Tritanium on escrow at a price of 1bil, if the whole galaxy is swamped with these orders, we might just get lucky and one of those turds buys the wrong one...
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Because you're chosing to defend a GM descision which flys in the face of everything CCP promotes about Eve. And you're making unsupported inferences about pure-ISK scams being against the rules ANYWHERE, as previously known.
Yes, I am defending the GM. Seriously, are you challenging the GM? Are you trying to tell me that you have that right?
Read your EULA. Seriously read it. You rent your character, you dont own anything. |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:50:00 -
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You are no GM, and GM descisions have been overturned before because of popular protest. Because this IS a terrible descision which kills much of the free nature of Eve.
Freedom includes the freedom to fall for scams for in-game currency, bluntly.
And again, you're assuming that what the EULA says is true when that is untested, legally. And it's not something which any MMO company WANTS to see put to the challenge.
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Shere
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Posted - 2006.06.14 02:32:00 -
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I'm perfectly fine with scams because I'm not stupid enough to completely trust someone I can't go kick in the balls in person
And I think this topic has derailed quite a bit. It went from How crappy escrow is, to the validity of scamming.
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.06.14 02:48:00 -
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isk sellers ftl
1st Lieutenant Sakura Nihil
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Traxman
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Posted - 2006.06.14 02:54:00 -
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So you finaly discover why people set up random
escrows for 50/100/250/500 even 1.5b isk with
one trit in with cryptic msgs as topics ?
Only reason was not a scam attempt but for people to
claim them top give isk to someone that bought it
for real money - not that hard to figure out.
Just follow the isk, you finly will find the guy
that sells it, but that is only CCP that can do that
and we all know how fast they are hunting isk sellers...
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.14 03:05:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 14/06/2006 03:11:18
Originally by: Barron IX
Originally by: Marnix
Please go ahead with that sub cancelling, thanks.
Oh really? And who made you GM? My voice is just as important as yours.
No it's not. You'll learn if you last in the game that you might have a normal account liek everyone else, but some people's voice will be far more important than yours.
If you say you're going to kill everyone, we won't care.
If SirMollie comes on the forums and says that BoB is going to start pirating in lowsec empire, people will care.
They'll flame him for about 50 pages, but they'll care.
YOu'll find that unlike many other MMOs EVE is not run by the infallible. GMs and others make mistakes, and they get corrected.
And Sha, I dobut it's 'very ahrd' to trace that isk. Just because we the normal players can't see a name on an escrow sale doesn't mean that GMs and CCP can't. I'd be very suprised if they couldn't trace the the ISK all the way back to the people whose buy order the isk-seller filled with minerals.
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.14 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 14/06/2006 03:11:18
Originally by: Barron IX
Originally by: Marnix
Please go ahead with that sub cancelling, thanks.
Oh really? And who made you GM? My voice is just as important as yours.
No it's not. You'll learn if you last in the game that you might have a normal account liek everyone else, but some people's voice will be far more important than yours.
If you say you're going to kill everyone, we won't care.
If SirMollie comes on the forums and says that BoB is going to start pirating in lowsec empire, people will care.
They'll flame him for about 50 pages, but they'll care.
YOu'll find that unlike many other MMOs EVE is not run by the infallible. GMs and others make mistakes, and they get corrected.
And Sha, I dobut it's 'very ahrd' to trace that isk. Just because we the normal players can't see a name on an escrow sale doesn't mean that GMs and CCP can't. I'd be very suprised if they couldn't trace the the ISK all the way back to the people whose buy order the isk-seller filled with minerals.
You are so wrong. Each voice is a voice of reason. However, you are just trolling, looking for trouble.
It is very simple, if anyone has a problem, file a petition. Listen to yourself. If SirMolle blah blah blah
Get over yourselves, this is a game. Your little make believe characters are NOT real.
So grow up and act like a Man. Better yet, come and get some tough guy. See you in Jita. |
Karille
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:17:00 -
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who will he be seeing? obviously this guy afraid to post with his main.
OMG NERF ICECREAM |
Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.06.14 04:34:00 -
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1. see the 100000000 isk trit on escrow,
2. see who filed it? it's an isk buyer.
3. create a new char with similar name
4. file the same amount escrow.
5. hope for tards mistake :)
6. invent some way to prove to ccp that you didn't actually buy this OOG if it works
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.06.14 05:59:00 -
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that must be an exploit somewhere along ccp lines, as you're using mechanics to get an unfair advantage
well i'm not a lawyer but you have the idea :p
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Owner of eve-corps.net
evemail me if you need a free forum for your corp
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Kalq Later
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX
Originally by: Maya Rkell
The rationale for THAT is that real life cash is involved in the transfer, etc.
Which is...more understandable, and the action is by its nature OOC. The scam? IC.
And can I have your stuff?
No, but you can get a life. Forum Scams are against the rules.
Maybe you should train Reading Level 1
you again: did u ever read the forum rulez then you know that scamming is -unfortunately- allowed!
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Kalq Later
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Posted - 2006.06.14 06:24:00 -
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btw: anyone wanna know how powerful Baron IX is? read this
ROFL!
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Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
And the day they disalow escrow scams will be a sad day for freedom of action within Eve.
QFT Maya, and not for the first time either.
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