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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Escrow Bookmark Scams Protection: None. Get Even Options: None.
Protection : Research
Well, actually, not really. You TRUST that the people who said this person was a good BM seller were not lying, or an alt of this guy. So..
Rephrase : Proper Research
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Monica Foulkes
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Monica Foulkes on 13/06/2006 23:04:40 Great, guess they can continue with refunding those that got screwed by United Council that pulled an identical stunt here as well using the forums...
I agree with the OP, either refund everyone or no one. I would prefer no one but hey if they hand ISK back I rather get my lost piece as well.
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:05:00 -
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I read the whole thing again, and I agree, the GMs should not have interfered IF there was another "insurance" company such as your real life bank that would monitor large amount of money being transferred and give it you back if you lose it due to a scam.
There is no other option for exel to do then what he did, so i agree with the GM's decsision.
Shinnen ------------------
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:05:00 -
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tbh I thin kthis has to do with the forum aswell. Using eve-o forum to scam/lie is illegal i think (scamming for timecards on sell forum is bannable i know).
So if it has to do with the forum and that scammnig is not allwoed out-game /forum) then yes i think everyone should be reimbursed. Yes it's in-game mechanics however it was done with help of out-game tools so people who say its tottaly in-game mechaics go get a clue...
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:06:00 -
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I recruited someone from the forums once who then stole from my corp. Can I have our Isk back please as this was a clear misuse of the forums ;)
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You Am I the only one who finds it ironic, that many EVE players are trying to defend the game they love...From it's GMs?
A good point - but that's coz we love the game, with all the scamming, pirating, ganking, killing and everything else !
Max
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
But Artemis demonstrated that a properly designed scam IPO is impossible to defend against. Guess what else is impossible to defend against? GTC and character scams. Guess what? They're banned!
What you seem to miss when making your point, is that scams involving GTCs and character transfers aren't banned because they are 'impossible to defend against' but because they involve real money, not just in-game stuff.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten So if it has to do with the forum and that scammnig is not allwoed out-game /forum) then yes i think everyone should be reimbursed. Yes it's in-game mechanics however it was done with help of out-game tools so people who say its tottaly in-game mechaics go get a clue...
The forum rule is not well thought out. Besides, since when do your forum actions result in in game consequences? A forum ban might be in order, but not reimbursing all the isk...
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten tbh I thin kthis has to do with the forum aswell. Using eve-o forum to scam/lie is illegal i think (scamming for timecards on sell forum is bannable i know).
So if it has to do with the forum and that scammnig is not allwoed out-game /forum) then yes i think everyone should be reimbursed. Yes it's in-game mechanics however it was done with help of out-game tools so people who say its tottaly in-game mechaics go get a clue...
Right, using the forum to scam has forum consequences, like warnings, or bans. But it's not supposed to have IG consquences, LIKE GETTING THEIR ISK BACK. ------------------------------
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen I read the whole thing again, and I agree, the GMs should not have interfered IF there was another "insurance" company such as your real life bank that would monitor large amount of money being transferred and give it you back if you lose it due to a scam.
There is no other option for exel to do then what he did, so i agree with the GM's decsision.
The problem is that this is the only known ipo scam refund, while there has most likely been several others and there is still (as far as I can tell) nothing in the rules against it.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten tbh I thin kthis has to do with the forum aswell. Using eve-o forum to scam/lie is illegal i think (scamming for timecards on sell forum is bannable i know).
So if it has to do with the forum and that scammnig is not allwoed out-game /forum) then yes i think everyone should be reimbursed. Yes it's in-game mechanics however it was done with help of out-game tools so people who say its tottaly in-game mechaics go get a clue...
Well then can i have my money back cause some guy scammed me on escrow ,in a instas set?
Out game tools?Did he hack their PC gaining their trust,and by doing so he transfered the isk to his main?Tell me cause i would like to know that one .
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Tristan Acoma
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan Acoma on 13/06/2006 23:10:27
Originally by: Shinnen Maybe you can relate to this better Hey You.
You lose an armageddon in PVP knowing you can afford another one with the insurance you have an more money in your wallet.
You still feel down because you lost it.
It's not how much for he got scammed, it's that he got scammed, getting it back made him pretty happy.
*edit* - link instead of in-text image
Oh for the love of evil pete.
Time to call the Waaaaaaambulance!!!
I feel bad for them, but seriously, it's not life changing given that it happened in a game.
If I get popped, then I feel annoyed that my progress was halted doing whatever i was doing.... I might even want revenge. But what I would not do would be go to the GM over it.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:09:00 -
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I got scammed before I DEMAND MY ISK BACK NOW CCP!!!11ONEONE! --------------------------- What can I put here without getting banned? |
dimensionZ
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten tbh I thin kthis has to do with the forum aswell. Using eve-o forum to scam/lie is illegal i think (scamming for timecards on sell forum is bannable i know).
So if it has to do with the forum and that scammnig is not allwoed out-game /forum) then yes i think everyone should be reimbursed. Yes it's in-game mechanics however it was done with help of out-game tools so people who say its tottaly in-game mechaics go get a clue...
Scamming for timecards involve real life money, hence why it is protected by CCP. So are the character transactions (it involves fees).
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Schroni
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:09:00 -
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i totally agree with the OP. really pathetic move CCP. ---
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Samuel Vimes
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:10:00 -
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Last time I looked an IPO and the stock exchange was not an in game feature. There should be no compensation for something that was not exploited using in game tools. You were greedy and stupid - tough luck.
You can't be protected from a threat that doesn't exist!
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The forum rule is not well thought out. Besides, since when do your forum actions result in in game consequences? A forum ban might be in order, but not reimbursing all the isk...
Since the fact that noone would of known about this if he didn't use the forums.
Originally by: Hey You
Right, using the forum to scam has forum consequences, like warnings, or bans. But it's not supposed to have IG consquences, LIKE GETTING THEIR ISK BACK.
the scam has in-game consiquences
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:11:00 -
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hehe how is CCP responsible for the way you make isk and spend it in RL corporations people have bank accounts and run away with millions if not billions scamming there corporation ..
welcome to the big leagues just here we dont have someone checking up on there legitimity maybe thats an idea for a corporation to focus on for a pay
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Dark Shikari
But Artemis demonstrated that a properly designed scam IPO is impossible to defend against. Guess what else is impossible to defend against? GTC and character scams. Guess what? They're banned!
What you seem to miss when making your point, is that scams involving GTCs and character transfers aren't banned because they are 'impossible to defend against' but because they involve real money, not just in-game stuff.
Yes, GTC and character scams involve RL money, they should be kept aside and not involved in this discussion at all. Buying ingame shares for ingame money however, that's all good ;-)
Max
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:12:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The forum rule is not well thought out. Besides, since when do your forum actions result in in game consequences? A forum ban might be in order, but not reimbursing all the isk...
Since the fact that noone would of known about this if he didn't use the forums.
Originally by: Hey You
Right, using the forum to scam has forum consequences, like warnings, or bans. But it's not supposed to have IG consquences, LIKE GETTING THEIR ISK BACK.
the scam has in-game consiquences
I know. But that's THEIR fault. CCP, as far as I know, HAS NEVER INTERFERED with the IG part of forum scams. And it looks like all they did it now for, was because more people got scammed then before, and some were IG celebrties, or forum *****s. ------------------------------
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Minuet
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:17:00 -
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People need to read, understand, and think more before they post primarily under the influence of their emotions.
The protections extended by CCP under the "no scam" rule applies only to threads posted under the SELL ORDER forum. This is not unilateral protection -- those of you who want to, can still scam...just elsewhere.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:17:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The forum rule is not well thought out. Besides, since when do your forum actions result in in game consequences? A forum ban might be in order, but not reimbursing all the isk...
Since the fact that noone would of known about this if he didn't use the forums.
Originally by: Hey You
Right, using the forum to scam has forum consequences, like warnings, or bans. But it's not supposed to have IG consquences, LIKE GETTING THEIR ISK BACK.
the scam has in-game consiquences
I know. But that's THEIR fault. CCP, as far as I know, HAS NEVER INTERFERED with the IG part of forum scams. And it looks like all they did it now for, was because more people got scammed then before, and some were IG celebrties, or forum *****s.
please name another scam with the help of the forum that hasnt gone untouched by ccp, if you suceed I'll apologize and accept i was wrong.
Until then afaiak no SCAM has ever needed help of the forum, and if its legal to use the forum as an aid then lotterys, auctions, jump clone services and all that will turn to scams making the forums unreliable which imo is not the way to go, scams should be in-game ONLY.
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General Tzu
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: General Tzu
Originally by: Pesadel0 Werent you one of the guys that was scammed.You are the one that is being lame.
This opens the pandora box .
seriously. just step away from the keyboard if you don't have anything sensible to say. of course they are ****ed if they got scammed. but what the crap does that have to do with the content of their arguement.
in the words of the principal in Billy Madison.. "..everyone in this room is now more stupid for having listened to you. i award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Post with your main.
The content of their arguement is wrong ,because 1-they were scammed 2-they were refundead.
Are they super players that get more love from the DEVS then the rest of the EVE community?
But you are rigth i will back of from my keyboard cause this thing is making me feel sick.
/me starts drinking some porto whine
what are you, 7? this made me laugh though:
Originally by: Pesadel0 The content of their arguement is wrong ,because 1-they were scammed 2-they were refundead.
Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. NONE.
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Monica Foulkes
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Monica Foulkes on 13/06/2006 23:23:08
Originally by: Kaeten please name another scam with the help of the forum that hasnt gone untouched by ccp, if you suceed I'll apologize and accept i was wrong.
Until then afaiak no SCAM has ever needed help of the forum, and if its legal to use the forum as an aid then lotterys, auctions, jump clone services and all that will turn to scams making the forums unreliable which imo is not the way to go, scams should be in-game ONLY.
Please scroll up to post 96.
Edit - missed some text in the quote
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:20:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The forum rule is not well thought out. Besides, since when do your forum actions result in in game consequences? A forum ban might be in order, but not reimbursing all the isk...
Since the fact that noone would of known about this if he didn't use the forums.
Originally by: Hey You
Right, using the forum to scam has forum consequences, like warnings, or bans. But it's not supposed to have IG consquences, LIKE GETTING THEIR ISK BACK.
the scam has in-game consiquences
I know. But that's THEIR fault. CCP, as far as I know, HAS NEVER INTERFERED with the IG part of forum scams. And it looks like all they did it now for, was because more people got scammed then before, and some were IG celebrties, or forum *****s.
please name another scam with the help of the forum that hasnt gone untouched by ccp, if you suceed I'll apologize and accept i was wrong.
Until then afaiak no SCAM has ever needed help of the forum, and if its legal to use the forum as an aid then lotterys, auctions, jump clone services and all that will turn to scams making the forums unreliable which imo is not the way to go, scams should be in-game ONLY.
You, obviously, didn't understand the full meaning of what I said. They have NEVER BEFORE INTERFERED IN THE IN-GAME ASPECT OF A FORUM SCAM, to my knowledge. They have never refunded, or other reprecussions that extended in-game, for a forum scam. They have warned/or temp banned people. But now, they crossed the threshold, and enlisted GM help for a forum scam, when there was a rule before that SAID THAT A GM WOULD NOT HELP IN SUCH A CASE. ------------------------------
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Jack Rippster
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:20:00 -
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How much ISK was scammed?
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:21:00 -
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here are the RULS of the forum.
"Make any false representation, including impersonation of any person or entity or misrepresentation of your affiliation with any person or entity;"
Meaning the scam was ilegal hence everyone gets their isk back.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Rippster How much ISK was scammed?
25 billion.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Hey You on 13/06/2006 23:22:04
Originally by: Kaeten here are the RULS of the forum.
"Make any false representation, including impersonation of any person or entity or misrepresentation of your affiliation with any person or entity;"
Meaning the scam was ilegal hence everyone gets their isk back.
Quote:What exactly is a scam?
A scam is when someone tries to use another playerÆs trust, confuse him and/or take advantage of his ignorance, to cheat him out of his possessions. When this happens, a GM will not be able to assist you.
From the EVE-Online Support, see Ask a Question on the left. Seems pretty damn fcking clear to me. ------------------------------
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The forum rule is not well thought out. Besides, since when do your forum actions result in in game consequences? A forum ban might be in order, but not reimbursing all the isk...
Since the fact that noone would of known about this if he didn't use the forums.
Originally by: Hey You
Right, using the forum to scam has forum consequences, like warnings, or bans. But it's not supposed to have IG consquences, LIKE GETTING THEIR ISK BACK.
the scam has in-game consiquences
I know. But that's THEIR fault. CCP, as far as I know, HAS NEVER INTERFERED with the IG part of forum scams. And it looks like all they did it now for, was because more people got scammed then before, and some were IG celebrties, or forum *****s.
please name another scam with the help of the forum that hasnt gone untouched by ccp, if you suceed I'll apologize and accept i was wrong.
Until then afaiak no SCAM has ever needed help of the forum, and if its legal to use the forum as an aid then lotterys, auctions, jump clone services and all that will turn to scams making the forums unreliable which imo is not the way to go, scams should be in-game ONLY.
You, obviously, didn't understand the full meaning of what I said. They have NEVER BEFORE INTERFERED IN THE IN-GAME ASPECT OF A FORUM SCAM, to my knowledge. They have never refunded, or other reprecussions that extended in-game, for a forum scam. They have warned/or temp banned people. But now, they crossed the threshold, and enlisted GM help for a forum scam, when there was a rule before that SAID THAT A GM WOULD NOT HELP IN SUCH A CASE.
That is because I do not belive noone has ever needed help of the forum to scam as I posted above the forum rules state "Make any false representation, including impersonation of any person or entity or misrepresentation of your affiliation with any person or entity;". Meaning the act was illegal.
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