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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:38:00 -
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You say:
 Originally by: Dark Shikari
There is no way within the game to defend against IPO scams.
Then you say:
Originally by: Dark Shikari
You can defend against pretty much any scam through common sense.
Common sense would be to not lend a stranger lots of ISK!
Bosie.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND."
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
Originally by: arbitrary
tragic indeed.
one of the reasons I started playing EVE was the cold & then CCP gets all cuddly with us 
so is scamming out of EVE now?
You're an idiot.
500m is a considerable amount of money.
Let me tell you now, I am a good friend of exelsior in game, and take this from me, 500m is not a lot of money considering the kind of business he does.
However, Exel always has cash flow problems, I tend to help him out here and there providing 24 hour loans for a hundred million or so at a time.
A 500m loss severely cripled his plans for the future, but a few day's work he could have been there again.
After all he's part of the money making ***** machine that is EIBI.
Originally by: "Exelsior"
I thank thee from all my heart 
Did it make a difference to you he got his money back? I am glad to see that he's happy, after all, shouldn't we all be?
Lets just put it like this, if you were just reimbursed 500m ISK, how would you feel if someone made a thread complaining about it?
I know I'd feel pretty gutted.
Yeah rigth he was so riach and powerfull that 500M made him beg do CCP.
Did it make a diference that his money got back hell yes ,the ubiquas seraph didnt get this type of treatment that i know of.
And yet this people that invested in this scam and got robbed now whined and got their money back?
What is next instanced asteroid belts?-+Shamis Orzoz
Yup i guess so if they whiners that got their money back ,point their whining guns at CCP.--+Pesadel0
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:39:00 -
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You send ISK to buy shares, you take a risk, a big risk.
Now if ccp refunds when we take a risk, i'd like a refund everytime i lose a ship after undocking in 0.0.
Really a disapointing move from ccp.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:41:00 -
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Completely out of order, CCP.
Blatently interfearing with a scam like this is plain WRONG, and if this heralds a new era I'm severely disapointed.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:44:00 -
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After all the scams that have been done over the years this really is unbelievable.
A working stockmarket needs to be backed up by the biggest powers in EVE and collateral placed in holding to raise cash etc.
What people did was the same as investing in an un-regulated stockmarket.
Paying back these investors was absolutely wrong.
Everything in eve is based on trust earned over long periods of time. The investors threw caution to the wind and should have paid the price.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 13/06/2006 22:48:53
Im with shamis on this.
It's selective at it's best, selective isn't good, and fortain was right, it will be ignored till it 'blows over'
As for the arguements about no way to protect against this ect ect... yeah right.... words that fit allright, but also conveniently ignored on 'other' issues where they would bear just as much revilence (for the sake of arguement)
/me looks at the forum champion
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Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free.
We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Virida
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:48:00 -
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This seems like a topic where the players evolve a game style beyond the game's means to support it properly. If anyone got a sugestion for how to fix it, maybe do it, so its no excuse for being fooled.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:50:00 -
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My opinion on the subject is this :
Scamming is lame, but changing or bending the rules in order to help some of the "better" members of the EVE community is even lamer.
I suspect that the reimbursement was done for 2 reasons :
1. It was too successful
2. Several of the more "famous" EVE citizens were victims in various ways
Of course, I don't know all the facts, so I can still hope that I'm wrong 
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Paxdrago
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Finally, what is this about "harsh reality"? In reality, Janette would have been prosecuted, sent to jail for a lifetime, and all the money returned (though a lot of it would have gone to the lawyers).
LOL HARSH REALITY.
In reality he would have funneled all the money into various numbered accounts over seas and left the country. His automated systems or employs would have kept working "Unknowing what really happened" and would go to jail when the truth came out even though they didn't knowingly commit any wrongdoing. However they would rot in prison just because people would want someone punished and the lawyers would happily latch onto the scapegoats to further their careers.
NO ONE WOULD EVER GET THEIR MONEY BACK.
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Tristan Acoma
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Edited by: Galk on 13/06/2006 22:48:53
It's selective at it's best, selective isn't good, and fortain was right, it will be ignored till it 'blows over'
And that's even more insanely stupid - They don't have to engage in debate, but clearly stating the rules might be a bit more helpful than treating users like garbage, which is what ignoring a well spoken, well thought members userbase is doing imho. Ignoring customers is the first wrong step in any business....
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General Tzu
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Werent you one of the guys that was scammed.You are the one that is being lame.
This opens the pandora box .
seriously. just step away from the keyboard if you don't have anything sensible to say. of course they are ****ed if they got scammed. but what the crap does that have to do with the content of their arguement.
in the words of the principal in Billy Madison.. "..everyone in this room is now more stupid for having listened to you. i award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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arbitrary
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
Originally by: arbitrary
tragic indeed.
one of the reasons I started playing EVE was the cold & then CCP gets all cuddly with us
so is scamming out of EVE now?
You're an idiot.
thanks & I always aim to please when posting my 2cents worth
As for the amount? is it important & should we just gamble with trust when 100 miljon is on the line, or perhaps we should draw the line at 10?
I am indeed happy that you so disliked my view that the actions of the GMs gets warmer & the issue of trust & paranoia lessens & that I did not like that; well voiced by you & thumbs up.
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Originally by: "Exelsior"
I thank thee from all my heart
Did it make a difference to you he got his money back? I am glad to see that he's happy, after all, shouldn't we all be?
I have no problems with him being happy at all to be honest - I do have a problem with the reimbursment, not the reimbursed.
Quote:
Lets just put it like this, if you were just reimbursed 500m ISK, how would you feel if someone made a thread complaining about it?
I know I'd feel pretty gutted.
Again I have nothing against Exelsior, my opinion was against the GMs actions in question; if you thought otherwise please forgive me if I was unclear on the matter when I previously voiced my opinion on the matter.
Now depending on your view I might be an idiot for the butchers axe, I do hope I'm not; but then you never know I guess - but thanks for pointing out that wanting the cold & grim is a sure sign.
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Marnix
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:53:00 -
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Quote:
What exactly is a scam?
A scam is when someone tries to use another playerÆs trust, confuse him and/or take advantage of his ignorance, to cheat him out of his possessions. When this happens, a GM will not be able to assist you.
From the EVE-Online Support, see Ask a Question on the left. Seems pretty damn fcking clear to me.
Alt to avoid main bannage.
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Mr Filth
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:53:00 -
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This is indeed a joke. I doubt we will get an official statement from ccp, cause they probably couldnt care less. I mean, what can we do about it ?
I do however hope they WILL make a statement and settle things right, but i doubt ccp will swallow their pride.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
My opinion on the subject is this :
Scamming is lame, but changing or bending the rules in order to help some of the "better" members of the EVE community is even lamer.
I suspect that the reimbursement was done for 2 reasons :
1. It was too successful
2. Several of the more "famous" EVE citizens were victims in various ways
Of course, I don't know all the facts, so I can still hope that I'm wrong
I agree. That's pretty much my exact opinion on it...Except..
1. It was too successul
1a. CCP got more petitions then usuall, and caved.
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Tristan Acoma
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan Acoma on 13/06/2006 22:56:44
Originally by: Marnix
Quote:
What exactly is a scam?
A scam is when someone tries to use another playerÆs trust, confuse him and/or take advantage of his ignorance, to cheat him out of his possessions. When this happens, a GM will not be able to assist you.
From the EVE-Online Support, see Ask a Question on the left. Seems pretty damn fcking clear to me.
Yup - arbitrary rules 4tw...
Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Hot damn I'm gonna petition those scams now.
Reference my above point - the GMs are going to see a ****storm of petitions now - before pretty much everyone who wasn't a < 1 week old knew that noone gave a damn if they got scammed.... now the possiblity that with enough complaints they might cave.......
To be honest, I really do feel bad for them about that.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:55:00 -
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Hot damn I'm gonna petition those scams now.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix
Quote:
What exactly is a scam?
A scam is when someone tries to use another playerÆs trust, confuse him and/or take advantage of his ignorance, to cheat him out of his possessions. When this happens, a GM will not be able to assist you.
From the EVE-Online Support, see Ask a Question on the left. Seems pretty damn fcking clear to me.
Exactly. Because what happened? The scammer player's trust to take his possessions. BUT THE GMS INTERFERED. 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/06/2006 22:19:39
I'm sick of this stupid flamewar--its gone on long enough in the Market forums. But I will post one thing, and only one thing:
There is no way within the game to defend against IPO scams.
You can defend against escrow scams by inspecting, so those aren't banned.
You can defend against market scams by LOOKING, so those aren't banned.
You can defend against corporate theft by properly locking down your hangars, so that isn't banned.
You can defend against pretty much any scam through common sense.
Corp Theft
Protection: Limiting Hangar Access, Locking BPOs, Using Audit Log cans (to some extend)
Get Even Options: None.
Escrow Scams
Protection: Common sense.
Get Even Options: None.
Escrow Bookmark Scams
Protection: None.
Get Even Options: None.
Market Scams
Protection: Common sense.
Get Even Options: None.
IPO Scams
Protection: Common sense.
Get Even Options: None.
It could be me but I think theres a pattern in there, any form of scam can be prevented with Common Sense but its pretty much impossible to get even with the scammer.
Two different options jump out, Bookmark Scams on escrow, which is due to poor development of the Escrow interface and Corp theft, which is a completely different ball game.
Your points are invalid.
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hazeb
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:56:00 -
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Can I just add...
W T F are you playing at CCP!
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Amaarth
Reimburse every corporate theft, every IPO scam, ANY scam for the last 3 years, now. or don't reimburse ANY! :@
I agree with my "lot-of-smileys" brotha.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan Acoma
Originally by: Galk
Edited by: Galk on 13/06/2006 22:48:53
It's selective at it's best, selective isn't good, and fortain was right, it will be ignored till it 'blows over'
And that's even more insanely stupid
And yet its happend in the past and it will happen in the future.
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TheMoog
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:57:00 -
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<fiction>
A guy told me he'd escort me through 0.0 if I gave him 50 mil. I did, then he podded me and ran away, I want reemburment too.
</fiction>
I am NOT approving ccp's move on this matter.
Eve should not encourage and compensate stupidity and carelesness.
If ISS should stop paying dividendes, that matter would be sorted out through wardecs of biblical proportions... not petitions. |
arbitrary
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan Acoma
Originally by: Marnix
Quote:
What exactly is a scam?
A scam is when someone tries to use another playerÆs trust, confuse him and/or take advantage of his ignorance, to cheat him out of his possessions. When this happens, a GM will not be able to assist you.
From the EVE-Online Support, see Ask a Question on the left. Seems pretty damn fcking clear to me.
Yup - arbitrary rules 4tw...
yes!
wait? 
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Escrow Bookmark Scams
Protection: None.
Get Even Options: None.
Protection : Research
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: General Tzu
Originally by: Pesadel0
Werent you one of the guys that was scammed.You are the one that is being lame.
This opens the pandora box .
seriously. just step away from the keyboard if you don't have anything sensible to say. of course they are ****ed if they got scammed. but what the crap does that have to do with the content of their arguement.
in the words of the principal in Billy Madison.. "..everyone in this room is now more stupid for having listened to you. i award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Post with your main.
The content of their arguement is wrong ,because 1-they were scammed 2-they were refundead.
Are they super players that get more love from the DEVS then the rest of the EVE community?
But you are rigth i will back of from my keyboard cause this thing is making me feel sick.
/me starts drinking some porto whine
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:00:00 -
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Am I the only one who finds it ironic, that many EVE players are trying to defend the game they love...From it's GMs?
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:02:00 -
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Maybe you can relate to this better Hey You.
You lose an armageddon in PVP knowing you can afford another one with the insurance you have an more money in your wallet.
You still feel down because you lost it.
It's not how much for he got scammed, it's that he got scammed, getting it back made him pretty happy.
Shinnen
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Escrow Bookmark Scams
Protection: None.
Get Even Options: None.
Protection : Research
Well, actually, not really. You TRUST that the people who said this person was a good BM seller were not lying, or an alt of this guy. So..
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
Maybe you can relate to this better Hey You.
You lose an armageddon in PVP knowing you can afford another one with the insurance you have an more money in your wallet.
You still feel down because you lost it.
It's not how much for he got scammed, it's that he got scammed, getting it back made him pretty happy.
Except I know that I lost it because of less skills, or stupidity on my part. Should I get refunded because someone was better at PVP, or I made a mistake?
I have no problem with the people who got re-imbursed. But the fact that CCP re-imbursed them makes me angry. He lost his ISK because of something that was his fault. So he gets his ISK back? Huh?
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