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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:58:00 -
[181]
 Originally by: EMFi Manager
Start the PVP IPO small, buy a few carriers, maybe expand your dread fleet and do pos-killing / station ransom for isk. while you train mothership.
You are a pvp corp.. people will invest in your pvp abilities...
We have capital ships for all of our members that can fly them, and it really isn't enough to ransom pos's in 0.0. Empire would work, but empire is otherwise fairly unprofitable. We tried the POS racketeering business for a few days and got so bored shooting pos's that people were about ready to quit the corp.
If people want to give us 20 billion isk to invest in PvP, then by all means, we'll go shoot stuff. And we will turn a profit. I'll have to think about what exactly I can do with the money until we're ready for the mothership though. I'll get back to you on that. In the meantime, anybody else who is interested in seeing us invest the money in pure PvP, please let me know so I can get a better idea of what any potential investers are really interested in.
Shamis
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.17 00:21:00 -
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Well, you gotta play to your core strenghts. You're famous as a pirate, but an unknown industrialist. The idea to start with T2 production (and your bitterness at the SVE reimbursment) is what made me think this was an elaborate joke.
I think you should do a smaller scale IPO first to build up some credit, before going for the mothership. I have no idea what you'd do with the ISK, but that's your call.
Maybe if you billed it as a "test run" to show that the loot based dividends are a viable idea. The ISK raised could be a slush fund for mothership related expenses, and training costs.
My suggestion:
500 Shares at 5,000,000 each.
Raising 2.5b capital (2,500,000,000 ISK)
10 Shares max per person.
This way you can spread the love around and prove that you're serious. Then you'd have a established track record of profits for the mothership venture.
I'd buy 2 shares of that, just to see if it's a viable idea.
Bottom line:
Shamis killing > Shamis producing
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Aerok
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Posted - 2006.06.17 01:13:00 -
[183]
i'll take 2 shares 
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Ananael
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Posted - 2006.06.17 06:10:00 -
[184]
Giving money so a pirate corp can wreak havoc in 0.0 with a mothership?
I'll take ten shares, wish i could afford more.
Pirate industrials ftw!!
Also think business reports should be done in video form. Watching a npcing bs explode and watching your wallet swell will beat reading any spreadsheet with stuffy numbers.
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Ehker Gerete
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Posted - 2006.06.17 06:18:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Ehker Gerete on 17/06/2006 06:23:05
If I have 10 mill by July 1st of whenever (very likley), I'll take a share.
And now evemon is blaring at me that my skill is done. I must be going now.
edit: Also, I'm not the first guy to ask about market related stuff. I'm guessing a 5% return means I get 5% of my investment per dividend payment, meaning 500k a month. Or is that just the minimum guarenteed? Or is there some fancy secret about this that I have no idea about?
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.17 07:02:00 -
[186]
Well, I have been known to buy into quite a lot of IPO's and usually study them in quite a bit of detail. Initially, I thought this was a guarranteed scam. After getting past the 4th page of "CCP will reimburse you if I scam you" your posts started becoming coherent and your actual business side started to surface a little.
It is somewhat of a tough situation. PROS/CONS
Pro's
* Snigg has an excellent reputation
* New venture, piracy IPO is a first
* Honesty
Cons
* Initially seemed to be a no-care attitude (a no-no when dealing with others billions)
* All references were corpmates/allied corps/pirates
* No real business plan of any sort
* Large amount of risk (what happens if mothership dies?)
Personally, I believe that reputation is everything, so my rating would be heavily based on that. Without the backing of Snigg, I would have given this IPO a 10% chance of success. With the backing of Snigg, I am upgrading the chance of success to 60%
Thanks, but I don't want any shares, just felt like posting this here (and it is in your favour Shamis)
Final description - Highly risky venture with minimal recourse if it fails. Potential to make good earnings but mainly recommended for very small share investments. Buy one or two shares in Snigg, don't put it all in there. Go to ISS or EIB if you want a much lower risk investment on hard earned isk.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.17 08:05:00 -
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of course lots of SWIGG would post, we're part forum whoring corp too didnt you know?
at least it isnt alts posting
anyways, you can't ignore the industrial side. When you're killing everything left and right they have to buy replacements somewhere right?? If you are interested in this IPO, but hate pirates, don't think of us as pirates: We're professional ship/module price inflationeers, be sure to include this when trying to explain to your superiors as to why you're buying our stock. We are good for the economy.
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.17 10:35:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
If people want to give us 20 billion isk to invest in PvP, then by all means, we'll go shoot stuff. And we will turn a profit. I'll have to think about what exactly I can do with the money until we're ready for the mothership though. I'll get back to you on that.
Shamis
You don't *HAVE* to raise 20b to start :P think up a biz plan where capital will help you make MORE isk shooting stuff.. while preparing for the next phase of mothership raids. See how much capital is needed, try to raise that.
Good luck,
If this turns from a
"prove of concept to CCP that anyone can do an IPO if they guarantee scam protection"
to:
"Invest in us pirats and we will wreak havoc and make you rich of blowing up stuff and selling loot and ransomming poeple"
with a solid biz plan you will get investors :P
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Mi Lai
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Posted - 2006.06.17 11:24:00 -
[189]
I don't care wether it's a scam or not, I want a Snigg share 
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KnightFear
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Posted - 2006.06.17 15:08:00 -
[190]
I'm in for 10 shares Boss!
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sinderela
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Posted - 2006.06.17 22:16:00 -
[191]
I'm interested.
I'm thinking about a billion or more.
Talk me into it.
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.06.18 08:48:00 -
[192]
The only prob with a non industrilal first part is, snigg already got the isk to buy the mods and ships they need for piracy, short of maybe carriers, but those are more for fleet battle than just piracy, and fleet battles are not beneficial for just pirates, that doesn't want to control whole regions.
An industrial first part could consist of some bpos, some new POSs, and other various things they can do since being in 0.0.
By all mean, go ahead :)
An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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Tepi Agd
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Posted - 2006.06.18 09:13:00 -
[193]
i will take 2
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Douglasius
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Posted - 2006.06.18 11:41:00 -
[194]
Cant resist, i'll take 2 shares!
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Ander
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:35:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Ander on 18/06/2006 14:37:19
(edit: double-post)
www.eve-pirate.com
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Ander
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:37:00 -
[196]
I'll take 10 shares.
(Possibly 20, if there's more over I'll take the 10 extra after the initial pre-order.)
Heck it's a good investment for me. Not only will I get a cut from the work I put in, but I'll get a cut on the 50% return :)
I've personally seen the business-plan work, and is well documented here and here.
www.eve-pirate.com
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Traeon
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Posted - 2006.06.18 22:02:00 -
[197]
10 shares please |
Oswald Grant
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Posted - 2006.06.20 02:31:00 -
[198]
Token 1 share please. |
BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.06.20 03:57:00 -
[199]
You guys shoot us, I pay you so i can buy shares...perfect 
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries*
this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris
Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.20 21:53:00 -
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This IPO is cancelled.
I think we could pull it off, but I'm pulling out for 3 main reasons:
1) I don't want to have to worry about maintaining profits for shareholders since it will probably be more fun to go fight somebody while incredibly outnumbered and lose isk.
2) Worrying about shareholders, and having shareholders with a stake in our profits seems to go against our philosophy of peeing in everybody's pool.
3) Nobody will sell us a mothership...not to say that I won't keep trying to get one. But until I can find an interested party, I have no need for the isk.
Shamis
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Arktaos
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Posted - 2006.06.20 22:11:00 -
[201]
Can i still buy 1 snigg share?
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Gray Carmicheal
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Posted - 2006.06.20 22:55:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Arktaos
Can i still buy 1 snigg share?
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Avulsion
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:20:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
This IPO is cancelled.
My dreams have crushed once again 
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Drosssk
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Posted - 2006.06.22 04:06:00 -
[204]
Well then, I guess I should auction off my 100 sniggwaffe shares to the highest bidders lol (NOT an IPO but just so you can say you own one, you know you wanna.... bidding starts at 1bil per share. LIMITED TIME OFFER!).
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burek
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Posted - 2006.06.22 06:11:00 -
[205]
I'll take 100 then! Send shares first! 
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:09:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
This IPO is cancelled.
So did you buy back the shares that you sold?
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2006.06.24 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
This IPO is cancelled.
So did you buy back the shares that you sold?
why should he ?
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.25 01:42:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Ricdic
why should he ?
Reputation at the very least
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.25 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 25/06/2006 02:01:50
he was asking for reservations of shares, he never sold any, so nothing to return
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.25 02:09:00 -
[210]
Originally by: mazzilliu
Edited by: mazzilliu on 25/06/2006 02:01:50
he was asking for reservations of shares, he never sold any, so nothing to return
Ahh ok, no problems then
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