Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.

Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.

Personally? I would just like to see docking restrictions lifted. Yes, from a lore/RP point-of-view it makes sense. Yes, it also does make some groups work together more closely than they would like.
But it also prevents people from spreading out within the warzone because no one group can stay online all the time to keep their system from being farmed to vulnerable and captured.
This in turn creates "bunker" systems that are nigh impregnable while everything else remains more or less undefended... or groups live just outside the warzone to avoid the lockouts altogether... or people just leave FW and become full pirates because well, having where you can and cannot dock because some people did more PvE than you leaves a bad taste in your mouth and is not the reason you joined the militia in the first place.

It is like 0.0 SOV being decided by how much ratting, anomalies, and mining your alliance does over the others... with ship on ship combat being completely unnecessary or even being discouraged (because you are not ratting, running anomalies, or mining to keep SOV).

Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.

Its made no difference to fw, its only hindered what people can do.

logisticly its a nightmare and the only kills from it are lol kills when a guy warps to dock and its not a system he owns. Not the huge fight and logistical effort i assume ccp envisaged when they came up with this brilliant plan.

Some people play in low sec because its accessible, they dont have X hours to commit to a roam like 0.0 being able to dock was one of the good things about fw before the change, door bells ring, babies cry, shizz happens. make fw more available again.

yeah i know its a whiny post, but serious did any good come of the change apart from sheer inconvenience?

Alts and black frog can move anything anyway, its simply inconvenience hindering battles and plexing not making it more diverse.

muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it.

OI

I defensive plex not like you wallet lining offensive farming stabbed winged monkeys do for the cash!

u disgust me!

Its made no difference to fw, its only hindered what people can do.

logisticly its a nightmare and the only kills from it are lol kills when a guy warps to dock and its not a system he owns. Not the huge fight and logistical effort i assume ccp envisaged when they came up with this brilliant plan.

Some people play in low sec because its accessible, they dont have X hours to commit to a roam like 0.0 being able to dock was one of the good things about fw before the change, door bells ring, babies cry, shizz happens. make fw more available again.

yeah i know its a whiny post, but serious did any good come of the change apart from sheer inconvenience?

Aside from, you know, staging systems and chokepoint systems and mission systems...

Losing docking rights has a huge impact on how things in the warzone flow. Keep it.

I forgot about agents. However, the other 2 things are hardly a factor. A staging system can be just about anywhere else with a repair station and having to travel 1-3 extra jumps somewhere isn't a deal breaker as long as they're within JF/carrier range.

Most homesystems are defended for the sake of fightning, not because they are particulary valuable to anyone.

1-3 extra jumps somewhere isn't a deal breaker.

You have no idea how much you are wrong. Eha is literally 2 jumps from Kehjari and we were have a VERY hard time keeping up with re-ships against the Caldari in the same system. When we moved into Villasen, it just became so much easier.


Sure, when you're just living somewhere, Hykanima sounds great. But those 5 jumps to just get into the warzone are a huge block to PvP and re-shipping. Just go ask your officers why you moved into Kinakka instead of staying in Hykanima. Or why you haven't moved back into Innia instead.

You have no idea how much you are wrong. Eha is literally 2 jumps from Kehjari and we were have a VERY hard time keeping up with re-ships against the Caldari in the same system. When we moved into Villasen, it just became so much easier.


Sure, when you're just living somewhere, Hykanima sounds great. But those 5 jumps to just get into the warzone are a huge block to PvP and re-shipping. Just go ask your officers why you moved into Kinakka instead of staying in Hykanima. Or why you haven't moved back into Innia instead.

At least we agree the no docking rule is a huge block to pvp.

I' m not surprised Gallente are the main proponents of this bad mechanic. They really haven't been in a situation where a large force moved them out. The minmatar in huola have been there for the most part as well but they actually seem sensible enough to realize its not good for the game.

muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it.

No, the no docking rule is the main driving force to PvP. That's the only reason why the Innia-Eha border was so contested for a good 4-5 months.

And a 'large force to move us out'. Do you just ignore TEST and their fleets?

Station should be forbidden for ennemy of the Faction who owns the system, even neutrals ... if you are not in militia you should have the proper standing to dock up , and of course add pirate faction systems too !! and in pirate stations people with positive sec status ..DENIED !!

my 2 isks

some people fight because they want , because they like that , But MOST people fight because they have to defend something .
Best , fastest , sure way to make someone fight is to go after his house/children.. , just call the guy and say Come at me Bro not as efficient thant going after the guy'shome.

So docking rights is actually the best way to "force" people to fight ( you have POCOs/POSes too for that).

So my friend deal with it move your assets and you can choose a home outside the warzone :(

so humm you just want :

people to farm like hell .. just to have Lp/money but the farm has no cosequences on the rest everyone can dock up like in high sec no matter what ? right?

This except I would say its a bigger inconvenience.

Docking rights add an inconvenience to participating in fw. That is all it is.

You want to pvp? Well you have to travel several jumps to get to then enemy and several more back if you need to reship or even repair.

You want to base in a fw system? You have to get an alt account to sit in an empty frigate (save the stabs) and dplex..

Plus this:



Really I still don't see how it makes sense that my own militia won't let me dock in its stations, but whatever.

Why do people think that this is a better reason to fight?

Yes you try and take a system so you can dock and the enemy cant but its farmers who dont actually live in low sec anyway that actually control it ultimately.

The ability isnt actually governed by the pvpers who actually live there.

FW is doing nothing for pvp, now if its only meant to be a isk paradise only for week old newbs fine just say that and we can quit too, but stop pretending like ccp care about pvp in fw.

Well.

FW is about about isk and farming since inferno, not pvp.

People who pvp who have to put up with farmers flipping their systems and therefore messing with their docking.

If you defensive plex to keep a system you invite more farmers to try and take it from you, you dont get much isk and risk everything. At this point people, corps of people, just leave and pirate instead and make a farmer alt. Happened so much.

FW is doing nothing for pvp, now if its only meant to be a isk paradise only for week old newbs fine just say that and we can quit too, but stop pretending like ccp care about pvp in fw.

Well.

FW is about about isk and farming since inferno, not pvp.

People who pvp who have to put up with farmers flipping their systems and therefore messing with their docking.

If you defensive plex to keep a system you invite more farmers to try and take it from you, you dont get much isk and risk everything. At this point people, corps of people, just leave and pirate instead and make a farmer alt. Happened so much.

FW is doing nothing for pvp, now if its only meant to be a isk paradise only for week old newbs fine just say that and we can quit too, but stop pretending like ccp care about pvp in fw.

the isk from fw means pvpers have to do LESS isk farming to replace losses.

most of the people who plex for isk with alts arnt actually fw pvpers.

Now you-¦re just trolling. STFU please.

I'm 'young' so I only experienced the current system. I think it's great.

Defending a home system is the most compelling reason to fight. Both for practical reasons and for very real 'human nature' reasons - sure it's just a game but 'fight for our homeland' rings in anybody's heart.

Logistics win wars. Having a station in-system rather than in the next-door system rather than just a staging POS makes a huge difference. Makes the pew pew more strategical..

Giving a pvp advantage to the side that can dock does not necessarily add strategy. It's just giving a pvp advantage to the winning side.

I know Gallente kept asking everyone to come fight in this or that system where you all have a clear pvp advantage. You then complain when the enemy doesn't do that. But here is the thing. Most pvpers don't want to fight in a system where they have a disadvantage. Why should they?

It's strategy by definition.

Since having docking rights in a station system gives an advantage, it makes strategical sense to flip that system.

Also, I don't assume to know what 'most pvpers' think, but the pvpers I know - GalMil - are more than happy to fight in Caldari home systems. Recent examples are Enaluri, Innia and Kehjari.

Guess that just makes us a really Elite class of PvPers - we fight even when we've got a disadvantage!!!!

Maybe we should really make things difficult on ourselves and start a civil war or something....

It's strategy by definition.

Since having docking rights in a station system gives an advantage, it makes strategical sense to flip that system..

Also, I don't assume to know what 'most pvpers' think, but the pvpers I know - GalMil - are more than happy to fight in Caldari home systems. Recent examples are Enaluri, Innia and Kehjari.

Both sides in equal numbers and ships on either side of a gate and neither wants to jump in to the other.

Looking at the forums I saw many gallente seemed puzzled that Test didn't want to fight in your home systems.

I say, let everyone dock once the system is contested. I think you will see much more fighting throughout the warzone than you do now.

Looking at the forums I saw many gallente seemed puzzled that Test didn't want to fight in your home systems. Didn't they get it? They were more interested in tiers and lp gains from that than taking some imagined "homeland" that you told them about.

I am just suggesting that perhaps its because you guys have a considerable advantage there. If you didn't have such a big advantage maybe you would have see more offensives. Gallente turtled up and complained that no one wanted to bang their knuckles on your shell. Why should they? You could keep docking there all you wanted but that didn't enable you to prevent them from achieving their goals of taking systems and getting better lp payouts.

it just removes pvp ability and is govened by farmers!

if fw is just ment to be pve isk fountain just tell us so we can go pirate. thanks.

Not governed by farmers, we PvP just fine with the mechanic in place. You're doing it wrong.

you cannot be serious *throws racket down*

Sounds to me like the other warzone is full of pussies that wont engage unless youre sure of victory. Which is sad. Which means youre not really pvp dudes, just want easy ganks.

yep this is amarr minmatar fw warzone. our group in sahtogas is the only group in amarr that undocks with the notion of 'what can we undock that is soooo ****** that they think they can kill us and wont run from'

cuz you know if they bring hacs we arnt allowed to bring hacs. we are only allowed to bring t1 cruiser.

Yeah, I spent a few months in minmatar space and it was fairly similar, I still managed to develop decent fights in micro gangs dessie down. Im thinking there must be some way to force them to fight. Do they live in a low sec station? Can you guys put together enough people to flip the system? Im not up to speed with the current goings on but theres been peaks and valleys with the cal/gal wz but when home systems get contested here there is almost always great battles of attrition and fleet doc ship ups and downs for plexes. Bashing pocos or poses?

Somethings gotta give.

Stupid post. Those of you who say "oh it's not even a real consequence I can get my stuff out on a neutral alt", you're missing the big picture. Sure YOU can get YOUR stuff out but can you organize that at a corp/alliance level and can you stage out of a station you can't enter? No, and I think we all know that the ability to stage out of a invulnerable structure that can hold whatever you need is not minor in any way. If you think stations aren't important, you're stupid or doing it wrong or both.

TL;DR keeping your enemy from staging out of a station is important and the only reason station systems get hotly contested, quit whining.

As previously mentioned, docking rights are the only real consequence of Faction Warfare.

I don't think

Im so outa touch with other FW players i just babble