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Doctor Shady	Posted - 2006.06.15 06:38:00 - [1] isn't it time to release more of this. i mean supply and demand maybe was suitable for when they first got released. but eve player count is rising every day, therefor you have more people trained to fly those ships, yet sometimes even if they have the moeny, there is only 3-5 of those ships availible on the whole eve universe in market. to be honest, sicne everything went double the price, and triple to some, bpos should be doubled
Father Weebles	Posted - 2006.06.15 07:01:00 - [2] im afraid ccp is dumber than a bucket of dirt when it comes to releasing more t2 bpos...I doubt we'll see more anytime soon..
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2006.06.15 07:01:00 - [3] The problem is, more people are joining EVE all the time, and more players that started playing this game late last year are just now getting into HACs and such. Demand is rising, and in addition, prices have risen because a lot of BPOs that get won by people in the Research Lottery end up getting sold to monopoly corporations that more or less fix the price. TBH, I can't wait for the new research system. Researching for more-common limited-run copies and such. \o/ -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Yonos	Posted - 2006.06.15 07:06:00 - [4] hac/bpos/ccp/supply&demand/richplayers/noobs&veterans arguement of the week. yay. i like cats..........to eat
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Jet Collins on 15/06/2006 13:33:07 Say no to more BPO's for tier one tech 2 cruiser and say yes to tier 2 or 3 tech 2 cruiser bPO being relieased.. More resistance more pauwnage . HAC threads are fun
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:35:00 - [6] Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A real killer is a person who has neither implants nor T2 to lose
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. Then post some suggestions to balance HACs if you feel they would be overpowered. Make Khanid Useful!
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. dont you have a vaga bpo? Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. dont you have a vaga bpo? I am not complaining about Vagabond, am I? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A real killer is a person who has neither implants nor T2 to lose
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. Then post some suggestions to balance HACs if you feel they would be overpowered. I will but this thread isnt about HACs being overpowered. Think of the case where vets fly HACs, semi-vets, n00bs and semi-n00bs. A battle between 4 sub-T2 ships vs 4 full T2 ships will probably result in 4 full T2 ships gang wins. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A real killer is a person who has neither implants nor T2 to lose
BlackPlague	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:40:00 - [11] Are hacs overpowered in relation to the skills needed to fly them? Or even the skills to be profficient in them? I think not (especially noy Muninn/Eagle/Sacri)
Sandra Tseng	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:45:00 - [12] Edited by: Sandra Tseng on 15/06/2006 13:45:44 Did it ever cross your mind that CCP maybe whants HACs and T2 gear to be a bit more rare and hard to get? A little bit special? I do not think they will boost the BPO releases much. If at all. And I like it this way. Some of the magic stuff about HACs is that they are 1) hard to get 2) expensive 3) scary I do not know about the new R&D system. But I think that "reverse engineering" will somewhat change the way things works now... Sig Removed. Sig requirements are 400*120 Pixels and 24000 bytes or less. Please e-mail us with any questions. -ReverendM ([email protected])
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. Then post some suggestions to balance HACs if you feel they would be overpowered. I will but this thread isnt about HACs being overpowered. Think of the case where vets fly HACs, semi-vets, n00bs and semi-n00bs. A battle between 4 sub-T2 ships vs 4 full T2 ships will probably result in 4 full T2 ships gang wins. You could say that about battleships and frigates too. What's your point? Make Khanid Useful!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.15 14:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 15/06/2006 14:12:08 Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. Then post some suggestions to balance HACs if you feel they would be overpowered. I will but this thread isnt about HACs being overpowered. Think of the case where vets fly HACs, semi-vets, n00bs and semi-n00bs. A battle between 4 sub-T2 ships vs 4 full T2 ships will probably result in 4 full T2 ships gang wins. You could say that about battleships and frigates too. What's your point? TBH, IMHO T2 ships are quite "balanced". I do find battles to be fun and interesting when you have various ship types. Meaning they are T1s, T2s and sub-T2s (T1 ships with T2 fittings, etc.) in battles. If T2 prices like HACs especially do get low until they reach everybody, every Tom, ** and Harry will be flying them into battles. Every battle will be who has the complete T2s wins. This can be a problem, cant it? Another problem is cheaper HACs means more Tom, and Harry will buy them. Four months old in HACs, whatever fly them. Newbs and seniors all fly one. Everyone becomes careless and reckless. At the end of the day, supply will also become a problem and it is back to square one. Already enough problems with some members having mentalities with "I need T2s to win". Need to train T2s before PvPing. Every day, different whine with same reasons. As it stands, game is my opinion again balanced between ISKs and skill points. Otherwise, wont be seeing much cries about skill points and HACs threads. I thought EvE is all about fun and wallet economy. When killing hurts, it should hurt. Isnt it hurting a lot at the moment? Just my opinion though. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Originally by:** Jenny Spitfire A real killer is a person who has neither implants nor T2 to lose
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.15 14:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 15/06/2006 14:21:39 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. dont you have a vaga bpo? I am not complaining about Vagabond, am I? no but it earns you enough money so you can choose to fly a hac whenever you want, the rest of us cant and yes i am envious Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Weirda	Posted - 2006.06.15 14:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. Then post some suggestions to balance HACs if you feel they would be overpowered. I will but this thread isnt about HACs being overpowered. Think of the case where vets fly HACs, semi-vets, n00bs and semi-n00bs. A battle between 4 sub-T2 ships vs 4 full T2 ships will probably result in 4 full T2 ships gang wins. as opposed to now when alliance gangs can afford those that they own and get them at alliance price (while still not eveyone in alliance fly them - thus disproving that if they were cheaper 'everyone would') and everyone not in alliance have to lose 2-3x as much isk when flying t2? basically right now it amounts to alliance having price advantage in almost every situation. this is no bash against alliance mind you - just making points with you arguments, which weirda find to be ludicrous (with all due respect!) __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.06.15 14:27:00 - [17] Edited by: Jet Collins on 15/06/2006 14:28:58 I'm a 35mil SP player who has been able to fly HAC's for maybe a year and a half now and I have never flown a vaga :)... Jet is one of the few who chose not to give builders the 300% prfit they are getting now.. Jet wishes he bought one when he though they were to expnsive at 80mil, a year and a half ago. . * Jet would not be supprised if ne very flyes one because he is a cheap bastered :) and has lots of other t2 ships that are much more affordabel to choise from
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.15 14:30:00 - [18] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 15/06/2006 14:35:37 Originally by: Weirda Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. Then post some suggestions to balance HACs if you feel they would be overpowered. I will but this thread isnt about HACs being overpowered. Think of the case where vets fly HACs, semi-vets, n00bs and semi-n00bs. A battle between 4 sub-T2 ships vs 4 full T2 ships will probably result in 4 full T2 ships gang wins. as opposed to now when alliance gangs can afford those that they own and get them at alliance price (while still not eveyone in alliance fly them - thus disproving that if they were cheaper 'everyone would') and everyone not in alliance have to lose 2-3x as much isk when flying t2? basically right now it amounts to alliance having price advantage in almost every situation. this is no bash against alliance mind you - just making points with you arguments, which weirda find to be ludicrous (with all due respect!) Well, that is also a problem. TBH, how do you propose T2 BPOs will drop to independent manufacturer? I tend to see many small little companies being bought up by Wal-mart, Tesco, Sainsburys, Carrefour, etc. At the end of the day, there wont be independent sellers or grocerers. Everything is all about big, bigger, better. Quite funny that EvE is somewhat like RL. May be CCP wants everyone to form their little hypermarket chains. EDIT: Well, alliance people also tend to lose more. People who earn more doesnt mean they dont spend more. I see RL CEOs earning 5M a year and spends like 70% to 90% of their earnings. Society these days are different than 50 years ago. Putting my point about people earning more dont mean they spend less... ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A real killer is a person who has neither implants nor T2 to lose
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.15 14:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 15/06/2006 14:21:39 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. dont you have a vaga bpo? I am not complaining about Vagabond, am I? no but it earns you enough money so you can choose to fly a hac whenever you want, the rest of us cant and yes i am envious I am feel sorry for you though. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A real killer is a person who has neither implants nor T2 to lose
madaluap	Posted - 2006.06.15 14:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Jet Collins Edited by: Jet Collins on 15/06/2006 14:28:58 I'm a 35mil SP player who has been able to fly HAC's for maybe a year and a half now and I have never flown a vaga :)... Jet is one of the few who chose not to give builders the 300% prfit they are getting now.. Jet wishes he bought one when he though they were to expnsive at 80mil, a year and a half ago. . * Jet would not be supprised if ne very flyes one because he is a cheap bastered :) and has lots of other t2 ships that are much more affordabel to choise from madaluap agrees on point 2, damn why the hell didnt i buy the entire market empty I tried to find my own whine post about hac pricing but cant find it anymore. None of the search engines can find it my issue with hac pricing where the hell is it _________________________________________________
Khatred	Posted - 2006.06.15 15:30:00 - [21] How about some logistic cruisers price complains? Oh wait, those are crap and nobody wants to fly them, everybody wants to fly ships that have an "uber" aura surrounding them. _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.15 15:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Khatred How about some logistic cruisers price complains? Oh wait, those are crap and nobody wants to fly them, everybody wants to fly ships that have an "uber" aura surrounding them. No, people want to fly HACs because HACs are actually useful outside of mission/complex whoring :) Make Khanid Useful!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.15 16:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Khatred How about some logistic cruisers price complains? Oh wait, those are crap and nobody wants to fly them, everybody wants to fly ships that have an "uber" aura surrounding them. No, people want to fly HACs because HACs are actually useful outside of mission/complex whoring :) Well, useful also means good or as Khatred puts it, invisible "I Own" aura. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A real killer is a person who has neither implants nor T2 to lose
Ling Toriyama	Posted - 2006.06.15 16:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Khatred How about some logistic cruisers price complains? Oh wait, those are crap and nobody wants to fly them, everybody wants to fly ships that have an "uber" aura surrounding them. you got 16 hac bpos..... hax
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.15 16:34:00 - [25] The issue is not with the HAC BPO owners. The issue is that not enough HACs can be produced to meet market demand, that's why prices go up. It's not some conspiracy by the BPO owners. They're only doing what you're supposed to do in the game. Eve is not Socialist, do not blame people for making money. The solution, I feel, is either more BPOs released, or CCP to implement some way to turn in RPs for BPCs. By doing that people will turn in their RPs for the most profitable items, which will increase the supply of HACs, and when HACs are no longer massively profitable, they'll turn in their RPs for cloaks, CR2s, etc etc.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.15 16:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Ling Toriyama Originally by: Khatred How about some logistic cruisers price complains? Oh wait, those are crap and nobody wants to fly them, everybody wants to fly ships that have an "uber" aura surrounding them. you got 16 hac bpos..... hax Only 16? Thought it was more... --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.15 16:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ling Toriyama Originally by: Khatred How about some logistic cruisers price complains? Oh wait, those are crap and nobody wants to fly them, everybody wants to fly ships that have an "uber" aura surrounding them. you got 16 hac bpos..... hax Only 16? Thought it was more... 17, thinking of giving him my Vagabond BPO. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A real killer is a person who has neither implants nor T2 to lose
Khatred	Posted - 2006.06.15 16:48:00 - [28] Edited by: Khatred on 15/06/2006 16:50:03 With your Vagabond BPO, total would be 18 EDIT: And I fly a Sacrilege cause it's cheaper _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.15 17:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ling Toriyama Originally by: Khatred How about some logistic cruisers price complains? Oh wait, those are crap and nobody wants to fly them, everybody wants to fly ships that have an "uber" aura surrounding them. you got 16 hac bpos..... hax Only 16? Thought it was more... 17, thinking of giving him my Vagabond BPO. please sell me some copies before you do :'( Make Khanid Useful!
Verizana	Posted - 2006.06.15 17:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 15/06/2006 13:36:41 Also another problem. If HACs are dirt cheap, everyone will fly them. PvP will never be the same again. EDIT: At this moment PvP is still fun because there are T1 ships, sub-T2 ships and T2 ships. Everyone in everything T2 can be a bit scary, doesnt it? it is ccp's goal to let everyone fly these fkn expensive ships nowadays, later.

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