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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Deja Thoris
Meh, weak.
Idiots have been absolved of the responsibility for their actions.
CCP has taken the easy route and smothered everyone with ISK to smooth ruffled feathers.
Qtf..
The idiots receiveid their money lol..
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Sister 9
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:19:00 -
[182]
to everyone involved in the scam, the scammer and victim. you lucky lucky buggers |
Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:22:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Meh, weak.
Idiots have been absolved of the responsibility for their actions.
CCP has taken the easy route and smothered everyone with ISK to smooth ruffled feathers.
Qtf..
The idiots receiveid their money lol..
Yes, they did, this one time. And we know exacrly what'll happen in the future, which is more important than this single incident.
Max 
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Ariu Devine
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:29:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Ariu Devine on 16/06/2006 10:35:02
Originally by: Avon
Link to my post in Market Discussions please?
Not sure what happened to my reply.
I admit, I was wrong. You did not reply in the market forum, it was in the Sell forum to Min's wanting clarification. I have seen your name so many times the last few days, and the pain killers i'm on, have caused things to blur together. :p
But the rest of my post does stand.
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Never Finding. |
stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:31:00 -
[185]
Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 10:32:24
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just a suggestion, might those investors in sve that got reimbursed want to donate that money to some kind of community event
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You can be sure as hell, that after hundreds of idiots coming into MD to spam and spam and spam, making any type of constructive discussion impossible and drowning excellent game develomment arguments in a sea of flames,
I will spend every single isk of my refund to grief/pod as many of said idiots as possible.
2 bil : 10 vagabonds, i'm starting hunting soon (tm)
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Ariu Devine
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:32:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Ariu Devine on 16/06/2006 10:35:55
/sigh
Why am I still reading this.
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Never Finding. |
Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:43:00 -
[187]
Originally by: stingy CEO
Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 10:32:24
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just a suggestion, might those investors in sve that got reimbursed want to donate that money to some kind of community event
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You can be sure as hell, that after hundreds of idiots coming into MD to spam and spam and spam, making any type of constructive discussion impossible and drowning excellent game develomment arguments in a sea of flames,
I will spend every single isk of my refund to grief/pod as many of said idiots as possible.
2 bil : 10 vagabonds, i'm starting hunting soon (tm)
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Alisha Lewarx
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:02:00 -
[188]
Edited by: Alisha Lewarx on 16/06/2006 11:02:37
stupid me, why should i assume it was possible that you would handle the fact, that you got very lucky due to an incompetent GM, with the appropriate responsibility...
Originally by: stingy CEO
You can be sure as hell, that after hundreds of idiots coming into MD to spam and spam and spam, making any type of constructive discussion impossible and drowning excellent game develomment arguments in a sea of flames,
I will spend every single isk of my refund to grief/pod as many of said idiots as possible.
2 bil : 10 vagabonds, i'm starting hunting soon (tm)
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:09:00 -
[189]
Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 11:12:31
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that you got very lucky due to an incompetent GM, with the appropriate responsibility...
he made a mistake, I don't give a crap about the isk, but if i'm getting it back anyway, i'm gonna have some fun with it, as I considered it lost, and I just don't feel like giving the eve 'community' anything benificial right now, k ? Community and devs didn't exactly do anything for me or listen to us did they ? Community preferred to whine and flame instead of doing something constructive didn't they?
Yeah you are right, this has bittered me up alot, I'll still play EVE, but no more mr nice guy. podding R us.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:31:00 -
[190]
Originally by: stingy CEO
Community and devs didn't exactly do anything for me or listen to us did they ? Community preferred to whine and flame instead of doing something constructive didn't they?
Like what?
Like creating an IPO system out of nowhere, and putting in place in the blink of an eye?
You expected that?
You expected the community to feel sorry for you? To rush to your support because a game mechanic you want is not in place?
I pity you.
Oh, and if you are putting your ISK where your mouth is, I am docked in PR- in Delve. Feel free to pop by and pod me anytime.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:43:00 -
[191]
Edited by: stingy CEO on 16/06/2006 11:45:41
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Like creating an IPO system out of nowhere, and putting in place in the blink of an eye?
You always oversimplify things. Of course I didn't expect that. But nothing at all happened, and this was the perfect time to discuss it, and for Devs to aknowledge/ support the discussion and maybe give some imput themselves. Sucks.
It's just tiring to try constructive things and get zero (0) reward from it in a game like this.
Months ago I started up an IPO that would've been the beginning of an 'empire' (megalomania ftw), and benefit hundreds.
I payed out incredbile dividends. I fought my war against hundreds of trolls and flamers and proved them all wrong.
It got too heavy to call it a 'game' , and I gave up the idea. I refunded EVERYONE.
I took a month break from the game.
I come back, and something happens again that makes some great chance for some of us to fight a battle for further constructive approach to the game. Enriching it.
And it all gets ignored and flamed to Death by short sighted people.
I just don't have the fight really in me anymore. Wonder how guys like omber feel about it since they did SO much more. Podding is easier.
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Oh, and if you are putting your ISK where your mouth is, I am docked in PR- in Delve. Feel free to pop by and pod me anytime.
How can I pod you if you are docked btw ? ^^ assuming I make it through the B(l)OB ?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:46:00 -
[192]
Originally by: stingy CEO
How can I pod you if you stay docked btw ? ^^ assuming I make it through the B(l)OB ?
lol, I don't stay docked, I am just docked at the moment.
Work 4tl.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:50:00 -
[193]
Quote:
Work 4tl.
same. but I have a long memory, and you aren't first on my list.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:06:00 -
[194]
Originally by: stingy CEO
You always oversimplify things. Of course I didn't expect that. But nothing at all happened, and this was the perfect time to discuss it, and for Devs to aknowledge/ support the discussion and maybe give some imput themselves. Sucks.
I would argue that this specific incident was exactly the wrong time to be discussing feature development. There were vested interests in terms of the incident's resolution and emotions were running strong on both sides. Such an atmosphere is not conducive to proper game design, or even proper debate. I'm sure the Devs all have opinions on this, but they would have been unable to voice them at this time, or comment at all on anything related to it, because that would have compromised the final decision on how to resolve this incident. The Devs wading into the debate at this point would have only served to inflame things futher.
I'd suggest giving things a couple of weeks to calm down, by which time there may hopefully be a blog out about the planned improvements in kali, which can then serve as a solid, neutral base for constructive discussion.
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Turboneger
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:13:00 -
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who scammed who?
ipo? initial public offering? i pick o'rama? i ***** organ?
how did they scam?
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stingy CEO
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:19:00 -
[196]
Quote:
I would argue that this specific incident was exactly the wrong time to be discussing feature development. There were vested interests in terms of the incident's resolution and emotions were running strong on both sides. Such an atmosphere is not conducive to proper game design, or even proper debate.
This is where the 'you had to be there' comes into play.
Reaction of alot of us less then 24 hrs after the scam was ice-cold. There were practically no people asking refunds.
debate about game design were all over the place in market discussions.
The refund hadn't happened yet
it was THEN that all of a sudden some GM slips up, and it became a n 'OMGnodevintervention' matter.
Basically the rabble rabble rabble from the community spoiled it. that's why I reacted to hostile to the suggestion of using my refund to fund some 'community event'.
I agree with the rest of your post though, nothing to do but wait.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:20:00 -
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I like the new reimbursement rules. They're so clear and easy to apply.
When you remove the blabla, it boils down to:
'may be reimbursed at the discretion of a GM.'
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Rthor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:24:00 -
[198]
Originally by: stingy CEO
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Work 4tl.
same. but I have a long memory, and you aren't first on my list.
How about me?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:36:00 -
[199]
Originally by: stingy CEO
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Work 4tl.
same. but I have a long memory, and you aren't first on my list.
But I am on your list?
Cool.
I look forward to resolving this in space.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:38:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Tachy
I like the new reimbursement rules. They're so clear and easy to apply.
When you remove the blabla, it boils down to:
'may be reimbursed at the discretion of a GM.'
wrong
damn need to make a new sig... |
Entity
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:59:00 -
[201]
Can't wait to see what forms the scamming will take on in the forums...
Interesting times
Got item? |
DeODokktor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:02:00 -
[202]
Hi, I have lost isk to scammers before..
Not sure how much it is but their scams were legit..
Anyhow..
Send me my few bil that I have lost as a result of scams in the past..
Oh yea, and I have bought a LOT of cap II's too (monopoly is like scam isnt it?)
and zyd too.. hmm
How about 500m more to me for that
so say 3.5b
also the production of isk like this is killing isk's value.. so can we put some inflation checks on this.. say 2%.. and it's beena long time since I got scamm'd so mayb 5% for me..
3.675b
sounds correct..
Have it there today please..
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WTB Aurora S bpo - Evemail me in game..
Scammed by "Not Superman" Then go visit the link an |
Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:10:00 -
[203]
Well, there will be initially people trying it because scamming is now going to be fotm but anything you buy from forums will be escrowed or direct traded so you can check it correctly before buying, so sales shouldn't change in that respect.
IPOs are also exactly the same as before, except people are explicitly told of a risk. Even if there was an ingame mechanic, there would still be a need for trust, and as very many aspects of eve tells you, trust is a weakness 
The only concern, is that the forum may initially get spammed a bit, but that should hopefully die down.
[Art of War][- V -] |
DeODokktor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:15:00 -
[204]
Originally by: James Snowscoran
It's a sensible solution. I'm not sure how great an impact on the EVE economy 25 billion extra ISK will have, but if it's deemeed necessary you could always just auction off a few luxury yachts or federation megas as a one-time ISK sink.
yea, nice
then the guys's who got duped isk, can buy some of the most rare ships in game...
I am sure the current holders of rare items will love that idea.
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WTB Aurora S bpo - Evemail me in game..
Scammed by "Not Superman" Then go visit the link an |
Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:10:00 -
[205]
See below the email sent to the mods concerning the thread:
HAC BPO
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Hi there,
Brannor McThife there.
About this thread. Jacques response is... amusing at best.
"Please only post serious auctions on here. "
I'm sorry...but who is any Mod to determine what is serious? Is a non-scam serious? The thread was deliberately made ludicrous to show people that scams are now part of the sell forums, and that they need to be aware of the danger. To moderate that shows that ISD still hasn't come to grips with what has just happened.
Does ISD believe they should moderate Escrow and determine what is "serious" and what is not? And then clear what Escrows they believe to be "not serious"?
Scams are now allowed on the sell forums. CCP has stated that clearly with their recent ruling. Hence, I can try to sell 1 unit of Trit on the forums for 500 Billion Isk if I want to. If someone buys it, then so be it, that is not for the moderators to moderate.
Thanks,
-Brannor McThife
[Making a point of the new "Scam-Friendly" System]
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So, Mods can moderate what they think is absurd... even if it is a scam... surely the determining of that is up to the player (as Kieron stated) and NOT the mods?
-G
Dulce bellum inexpertis... |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:21:00 -
[206]
^^ Your buyout WAS measured in gazillions 
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:22:00 -
[207]
so eve fans what did we learn today?
find a new way to cheat the system and everyone gets free isk...
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Joskken Inx
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:27:00 -
[208]
I'm not quite understanding, what was the difference, and why were there reimbursements, for this scam and not say, Lunar Miner? I lost ISK to that just the same, but is it because it was "only" several million and still a damn grey area on how the forums are used to sell these scams?
I'm reading and re-reading this entire post, but I'm not seeing how this current scam is taking precedance over previous "within the game mechanics" bull.
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:29:00 -
[209]
Here's what we have.
-Someone did an honest scam.
-The scam follow it's course...
-A human error happen at the GM level.
-The GMs are scammed by investors that invested with their alts that made so many trades/escrow that it's basically impossible to get it all back after a few days. An alt does'nt care if it's wallet is turned back down to minus 20 mil. The isk is simply not there anymore.
Solution: A solution would be to implement a delay system to all the reimbursement (so that they cannot be depleted). That system would'nt be perfect but I feel that a delay of (let's say) 3 weeks would help a lot.
How could it work: If a GM (or anybody else) decide you are entitled to a reimbursement, the function to do so would put the isk in a 'waiting list' that could be seen just beside the petition system (a link could exist betweent the two).
So looking at that list could show you something like.
Incident Reimbursement Reason
Date Date Ammount
2006.05.20 2006.08.09 130'000'000 IPO Scam #345
2006.06.15 2006.07.06 78'000'000 Apoc lost to lag
I think that would be good because there is NEVER a need for immediate reimbursement (unless you bet ALL your money which is stupid anyway). It would allow a quick fix in case of error because the isk would'nt have been decimated into the system right away.
There could be different delay for different type of reimbursement. 1 week for the loss of a ship and 1 month for IPO and escrow.
Btw changing the rules of the forum would'nt fix the problem because the local channel is also a part of the game and we will start to see in Jita: "I control the Jita New Phisics consortium. Invest 100 mil with me and I promess a nice 20 mil profit by week". How would you filter that? |
Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:43:00 -
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Iv tried reading the 7 pages of this thread but its not explaining what exactly happened.
Who was it that scammed and how did he do it, i understand he used the forums but thats about it.
Theres others here just as clueless as me i aint the only one! 
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