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Aakkonen
The Phaeacian Fleet SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:14:00 -
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Ookies we have stratios and astero. Both can use Covert cloak while being T1 ships. Why Nestor dont get any bonuses in cloaking? for being a search and rescue ship designed to move dep space and return in one piece its odd that it has no bonuses for cloaking.
I am not saying that give it a Covert cloak but instead 300% role bonus to speed while cloaked. then it would move normal speed in cloak like BlOps does. And it would make sense that SoE has some hightech in their ships (T1's with covert ability). For now Nestor doesnt have many uses except very blingy RR ship.
My 2 cents
Aakkonen Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7 |
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:34:00 -
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I am sure the Nestor will get revisited. Right now it is mostly a hanger queen. "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
902
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:40:00 -
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it says in the description of why it doesnt have a covert ops cloak on it. Not even the black ops ships can use covert cloaks, so why should a nestor. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5530
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:56:00 -
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DEV response to: Allow the Nestor to fit Covops Cloak as was originally intended
CCP Rise wrote:Quote:The history of this is that the dev team conceived the Nestor as a covert-capable ship in line with the other two sisters ships. They designed the hull with the ring for this reason and even wrote a ship description which referenced it (the one before the description that is currently on the Nestor, which was changed at the last minute). This is false. The SOE line was originally conceived based on a few elements, none of which had to do with cloaks. The original idea actually existed before I got to CCP and the main goals at first were to combine lasers and drones for the most renewable weapon loadout possible so that long deployment would be easy and also to make a very flexible ship that would emulate the Gnosis due to its popularity but limited nature. As always we went through a lot of iteration and eventually arrived at the covert solution for the Astero and Stratios and felt good about that. The Nestor was a bit of a puzzle for awhile and eventually we settled on logistics as the main theme, which was an idea that showed up internally and in the community. ... (snip)... Again, it wasn't 'meant' to be a covert ship, and there is no shortage of bravery [on the DEV's part] here, I assure you. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
230
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:21:00 -
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What is a Nestor? Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:38:00 -
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The reasoning behind the hull really is irrelevant when the hull has no demonstrable place in the game. There's no need for a weak logistic extremely expensive hull in EVE so it needs to go through more iterations. Even when its worth <1B it still won't see much use. |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:39:00 -
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Rayzilla Zaraki wrote:What is a Nestor? Nestor is a ship people like to be WORTH using at 2b, when it was never intended to be 2x as powerfull as pirate BS's.
The Nestor cost an arm and a leg, but its still worth it since people still buy them. Its simple suplpy /demand and atm the demand is high enough that it cost this much... |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3876
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:41:00 -
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Rayzilla Zaraki wrote:What is a Nestor? A kitchen utensil. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:44:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote:Rayzilla Zaraki wrote:What is a Nestor? Nestor is a ship people like to be WORTH using at 2b, when it was never intended to be 2x as powerfull as pirate BS's. The Nestor cost an arm and a leg, but its still worth it since people still buy them. Its simple suplpy /demand and atm the demand is high enough that it cost this much... How many are traded per day? Supply/demand breaks down at low trade volumes where all trades are just conducted by dummies. |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:58:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Joraa Starkmanir wrote:Rayzilla Zaraki wrote:What is a Nestor? Nestor is a ship people like to be WORTH using at 2b, when it was never intended to be 2x as powerfull as pirate BS's. The Nestor cost an arm and a leg, but its still worth it since people still buy them. Its simple suplpy /demand and atm the demand is high enough that it cost this much... How many are traded per day? Supply/demand breaks down at low trade volumes where all trades are just conducted by dummies.
Very few are traded (3-20 per day), but on the other side there are BUY order for 1.45b. Thats higher than the Barghest and 50% over the other pirate BS's.
If we ignore the Barghest atm (new and prices have yet to settle, same as for Nestor) there is a total of 5 (FIVE) pirate battleships on sell order in Jita thats higher than the buy orders for Nestor (all 5 are Vindi, rest are in the 1b range)
So apart from Vindicator/Barghest, buy orders for Nestors are 50% higher than sell orders for other pirate battleships. This indicate that people are more than willing to pay 50% more for Nestor, so it have some appeal be it for combat or station spinning |
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:12:00 -
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Conclusively, station spinning or just plain showing off. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2397
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:44:00 -
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Rayzilla Zaraki wrote:What is a Nestor? CCP's biggest troll ever. -á --á |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:52:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Conclusively, station spinning or just plain showing off. May very well be the case, but sooner or later that market will be filled and the price will go down to where people are willing to buy and use it.
Its still supply/demand even if the demand is for station spinning or showing off.
Would be nice to have a dev give us some insight in how many Nestors come into the game compared to other pirate battleships, basicly how many Nestor chips drop compared to the droprate for Vindicator/Nightmare/Bhaalgorn/Machariel |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
113
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Posted - 2014.06.16 22:20:00 -
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Besides the main post, the price is set by the cost, not just demand and supply, that*s why the nestor will never drop under 1.2 bil or what the break point was (not checking it now). It's either worth that or won't be built. Don't forget, sisters LP are worth more then double all other LPs, at least before Kronos. Morduus Legion LP are probably the same or higher for the moment, that's why the barghest is still so expensive (including speculations).
In regards to the OP, I also believe the Nestor needs some revising, either in the add of bandwidth and/or PG. I am not sure of just adding a cov ops will do it or should even be the change. |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.16 22:51:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Besides the main post, the price is set by the cost, not just demand and supply, that*s why the nestor will never drop under 1.2 bil or what the break point was (not checking it now). It's either worth that or won't be built. Don't forget, sisters LP are worth more then double all other LPs, at least before Kronos. Morduus Legion LP are probably the same or higher for the moment, that's why the barghest is still so expensive (including speculations).
In regards to the OP, I also believe the Nestor needs some revising, either in the add of bandwidth and/or PG. I am not sure of just adding a cov ops will do it or should even be the change.
Its not LP price that set the price, its drops vs demand
LIttle math: Vindicator sell price: 950.000.000 LP cost: 400.000 ISK for BPC: 100.000.000 ISK/LP: 2125 (not counting materials or production profit)
Lets assume its around 200m in material cost + profit from the actual manufacturing (thats around the price of a t1 BS) This sets the LP value at only 1625, for the most expensive pirate BS
Same calculation on the Rattlesnake at 480m gives LP value of 950 ISK/LP when not counting minerals or manufacturing profit. Assuming 200m in mineral+manufacture profit leaves the Rattlesnake @ 450 ISK/LP. Think we can all agree that even best case (minerals i mine are free) 950 isk/lp is not the general value for Guristas LP.
Even the best case for Vindicator is well within the limits of what you can get in high sec, so its natural to assume Vindicator prices are not reflecting Serpentis LP value either.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
114
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Posted - 2014.06.17 00:17:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote:
Its not LP price that set the price, its drops vs demand
Little math: Vindicator sell price: 950.000.000 LP cost: 400.000 ISK for BPC: 100.000.000 ISK/LP: 2125 (not counting materials or production profit)
Mineral price is around 152m (Jita sell order), making the ISK/LP ratio ~1740 ...
Not really, as for your values, 400.000*2125 isk +100.000.000 + some mineral costs equal about what the vindy costs on the market, it won't fall below that really, unless someone drops some stuff on the market just to get rid of it.
Same goes for the Nestor, 600.000 LP + 150.000.000 + minerals result in a minimum price of about 600.000*2.2 + 150.000.000 + 150.000.000 = 1,6 bil and surprise, that's where the price balanced itself out after not being use much (min value). Demand will increase that, but lack of it won't drop it under the current LP value which is the only one really influx. And since SoE LP where always high in demand due to probes and other profitable items and got pushed by the new hulls this won't be anytime soon.
If the Nestor isn't attractive for LP reimbursement then another item will be, the exchange will lessen and the nestor will be dropped, less availability pushes the price and it rises again.
Point, there is a minimum worth and it will stay that way, while being dependent on the LP worth. As a manufacturer mineral cost have a lesser impact then LP - at least as long as we talk faction and t1.
But lets not hi-jack the thread. |
Aakkonen
The Phaeacian Fleet SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2014.06.17 00:19:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:it says in the description of why it doesnt have a covert ops cloak on it. Not even the black ops ships can use covert cloaks, so why should a nestor.
Read the full post my friend before your commenting. I said that Dont give it covert, just a BlOps speed bonus (300% as role bonus) so it dont have to be a cloaked bs that goes less than 30 in cloak. Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7 |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.17 01:01:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Not really, as for your values, 400.000*2125 isk +100.000.000 + some mineral costs equal about what the vindy costs on the market, it won't fall below that really, unless someone drops some stuff on the market just to get rid of it.
Same goes for the Nestor, 600.000 LP + 150.000.000 + minerals result in a minimum price of about 600.000*2.2 + 150.000.000 + 150.000.000 = 1,6 bil and surprise, that's where the price balanced itself out after not being use much (min value). Demand will increase that, but lack of it won't drop it under the current LP value which is the only one really influx. And since SoE LP where always high in demand due to probes and other profitable items and got pushed by the new hulls this won't be anytime soon.
If the Nestor isn't attractive for LP reimbursement then another item will be, the exchange will lessen and the nestor will be dropped, less availability pushes the price and it rises again.
Point, there is a minimum worth and it will stay that way, while being dependent on the LP worth. As a manufacturer mineral cost have a lesser impact then LP - at least as long as we talk faction and t1.
But lets not hi-jack the thread.
Ofc the value calculated from sell price, minerals and LP store price will match pretty damn good with what it actualy cost on the market (the point about including sell price in the first place)
You can use the high sec store to calculate the LP value, but the fact is that you can get it for 400k LP + 100m in 0.0 just as the other pirate BS. LP is NOT the only way to get these ships, and until CCP release numbers for how many ships come from drop vs LP store im going to assume that lower LP values than what you can get with 5min research is related to drops.
If you can show me proof that 600 or less is all you can get from Gurista LP, i will happily agree that drops dont mather. Until such a time, my claim still stands as drops do effect the price. If nobody wanted the Nestor it would cost 200m or less since BPC (or chip) can be gotten in drop. Fact is that people are WILLING to pay almost 50% more for the Nestor than the sell order price for any other pirate BS (not counting Barghest as its still new, and suffer the same screwed pricing as Nestor)
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2685
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Posted - 2014.06.17 05:40:00 -
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Before the Nestor gets cloak bonuses, I'd like to see the Black Ops get Cov Ops bonuses. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Arean Proktor
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
7
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Posted - 2014.06.17 07:44:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote:Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Not really, as for your values, 400.000*2125 isk +100.000.000 + some mineral costs equal about what the vindy costs on the market, it won't fall below that really, unless someone drops some stuff on the market just to get rid of it.
Same goes for the Nestor, 600.000 LP + 150.000.000 + minerals result in a minimum price of about 600.000*2.2 + 150.000.000 + 150.000.000 = 1,6 bil and surprise, that's where the price balanced itself out after not being use much (min value). Demand will increase that, but lack of it won't drop it under the current LP value which is the only one really influx. And since SoE LP where always high in demand due to probes and other profitable items and got pushed by the new hulls this won't be anytime soon.
If the Nestor isn't attractive for LP reimbursement then another item will be, the exchange will lessen and the nestor will be dropped, less availability pushes the price and it rises again.
Point, there is a minimum worth and it will stay that way, while being dependent on the LP worth. As a manufacturer mineral cost have a lesser impact then LP - at least as long as we talk faction and t1.
But lets not hi-jack the thread.
Ofc the value calculated from sell price, minerals and LP store price will match pretty damn good with what it actualy cost on the market (the point about including sell price in the first place) You can use the high sec store to calculate the LP value, but the fact is that you can get it for 400k LP + 100m in 0.0 just as the other pirate BS. LP is NOT the only way to get these ships, and until CCP release numbers for how many ships come from drop vs LP store im going to assume that lower LP values than what you can get with 5min research is related to drops. If you can show me proof that 600 or less is all you can get from Gurista LP, i will happily agree that drops dont mather. Until such a time, my claim still stands as drops do effect the price. If nobody wanted the Nestor it would cost 200m or less since BPC (or chip) can be gotten in drop. Fact is that people are WILLING to pay almost 50% more for the Nestor than the sell order price for any other pirate BS (not counting Barghest as its still new, and suffer the same screwed pricing as Nestor)
I strongly disagree. People will never ever sell a Nestro for 200mio - even if they got it from a drop - if the next lowest pricetag is 1,6bil. They will try to sell it for 1,599bil... Lowest pricetag is due to LP worth set to 1,6bil... ist a fact. Dont try to explain it with Magic, cause ist only maths. |
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
115
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Posted - 2014.06.17 08:00:00 -
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Arean Proktor wrote:
I strongly disagree. People will never ever sell a Nestor for 200mio - even if they got it from a drop - if the next lowest price tag is 1,6bil. They will try to sell it for 1,599bil... Lowest price tag is due to LP worth set to 1,6bil... this is a fact. Don*t try to explain it with Magic, cause it's only maths.
This ! (My TL;DR, thx)
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Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:03:00 -
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Arean Proktor wrote:
I strongly disagree. People will never ever sell a Nestro for 200mio - even if they got it from a drop - if the next lowest pricetag is 1,6bil. They will try to sell it for 1,599bil... Lowest pricetag is due to LP worth set to 1,6bil... ist a fact. Dont try to explain it with Magic, cause ist only maths.
200m was an extreme low, and as long as people are making buy orders for almost the same as sell orders it wont change much in price. After a few more months with not selling your Nestor @ 1.5b, most people will actualy lower their price to actualy sell it. After time it will go down to where enough people are willing to buy it. The FACT is that people are more htan willing to buy a Nestor for 1.4b, while 900m is the selling price for the other pirate battleships. As long as there is another way to gain the ship than LP store, its not LP that dictate price. Do you realy belive a Nestor would still cost 1.5b if not a single one was sold for that price yet? |
Arean Proktor
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
8
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:45:00 -
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No. But I do believe nobody will buy them in the LP store. So price will pretty much stay the same. Might go down a bit due to drops but never on a level to justify the pricetag. Either Nestor get a better niche, lower Price or it will stay forever a "lulz for killmails"/hangarqueen. But if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead: run missions for SoE and sell Nestor for 800mio (still wont buy it tho...) |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.17 13:05:00 -
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Arean Proktor wrote:No. But I do believe nobody will buy them in the LP store. So price will pretty much stay the same. Might go down a bit due to drops but never on a level to justify the pricetag. Either Nestor get a better niche, lower Price or it will stay forever a "lulz for killmails"/hangarqueen. )
Why would i sell them for 800m when i can sell them to BUY orders for 1.4b... Thats almost 2900 isk/LP from 0.0 or 1800 isk/LP from high sec, and last i checked (12hrs ago) wou could sell 11 ships for that price. 4.4m 0.0 LP or 6.6m high sec LP. As it stands thats MORE from high sec SoE LP than Vindicators, the highest priced pirate BS atm. Using Rattlesnake as an example again its 3.2 time more per LP than Gurista
Arean Proktor wrote: But if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead: run missions for SoE and sell Nestor for 800mio (still wont buy it tho...) My point is that there are people that think this ship is worth the current price, people are willing to bay it and thats where supply/demand put the price. If the ship did not sell at this price it would be lower, and thats why i have been using the Rattlesnake as an example, its price is have nothing to do with LP value since the supply from drops is higher/high enough to support the demand.
Would you buy a Nestor for 400m? 300? what is the price where you think it will be used? |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
115
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:22:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote: My point is that there are people that think this ship is worth the current price, people are willing to bay it and thats where supply/demand put the price. If the ship did not sell at this price it would be lower, and thats why i have been using the Rattlesnake as an example, its price is have nothing to do with LP value since the supply from drops is higher/high enough to support the demand.
Would you buy a Nestor for 400m? 300? what is the price where you think it will be used?
No, no, no ! Stop with these non-related arguments and false conclusions. The ship is worth the current price, because that's what it costs to make, it has nothing to do with supply and demand (only valid above minimum production price). Show me one person that makes a long lasting business by selling something under the value that it costs him to make it. We are not talking about the odd sell, the clear out or liquidations of assets due to other pressures, we are simply talking cost vs price. And the drop rates are so low, why would anyone consider them as a standard. As long as ships are being exchanged vs the LP no drop will play a role in driving the market down. And Nestors are being used in Incursion, just because some don't PvP or explore in them doesn't mean they don't get used, exchanged and prices will drop. And don't come with 'Uhh, they cost less with The Sanctuary' show me anyone getting there and mass transporting Nestors ti Jita to have an impact on the market, the gate is camped.
Stop deluding yourself.
And now enough of this, the thread is about the Nestor stats not the market value. |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:39:00 -
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Market value and stats are related, its traded at a value higher than any other pirate BS (not counting Barghest thats even newer) Even the Vindicator as the most expensive pirate BS is less isk/LP than you can easily get from other items. That no of the other pirate BS's are prices after LP value but supply/demand should be enough to prove my point |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
387
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Posted - 2014.06.17 21:58:00 -
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Maybe once Black Ops are on the table for rebalancing, we'll see the ship change a little-if I could ask mine a question, it'd be "Do you ever think there's more to life than being really, really ridiculously good looking?"
I kept saying it, and even though a lot of people don't agree, I think it should have a cov-ops cloak- maybe BLOPS will end up getting them, who knows- then maybe it'd be considered more openly for this ship. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Belinda HwaFang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
13
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:35:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:it says in the description of why it doesnt have a covert ops cloak on it. Not even the black ops ships can use covert cloaks, so why should a nestor.
Did you read his post? |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
311
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:11:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:DEV response to: Allow the Nestor to fit Covops Cloak as was originally intendedCCP Rise wrote:Quote:The history of this is that the dev team conceived the Nestor as a covert-capable ship in line with the other two sisters ships. They designed the hull with the ring for this reason and even wrote a ship description which referenced it (the one before the description that is currently on the Nestor, which was changed at the last minute). This is false. The SOE line was originally conceived based on a few elements, none of which had to do with cloaks. The original idea actually existed before I got to CCP and the main goals at first were to combine lasers and drones for the most renewable weapon loadout possible so that long deployment would be easy and also to make a very flexible ship that would emulate the Gnosis due to its popularity but limited nature. As always we went through a lot of iteration and eventually arrived at the covert solution for the Astero and Stratios and felt good about that. The Nestor was a bit of a puzzle for awhile and eventually we settled on logistics as the main theme, which was an idea that showed up internally and in the community. ... (snip)... Again, it wasn't 'meant' to be a covert ship, and there is no shortage of bravery [on the DEV's part] here, I assure you.
Imagine that, a commonly talked about issue already has a thread dedicated to the topic. I sure wish there was a way to search the forums and consolidate responses(like I dunno number 16 suggests) to make them easier to search for. Too bad there's no way to do that. Schrodinger's Hot Dropper |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:24:00 -
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Search never works on either chrome or firefox for me. So there's that. |
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Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
311
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:08:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Search never works on either chrome or firefox for me. So there's that. Something on your end then. I'm using the latest firefox browser and it works fine.
*Notes that this is dangerously off topic.* Schrodinger's Hot Dropper |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill A Nest of Vipers
91
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Posted - 2014.06.18 12:28:00 -
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The most important thing to change about Nestor is to make it stop looking like a blender or a dil*o. After that I may be interested in making it actually useful. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
811
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Posted - 2014.06.18 12:39:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote:Arean Proktor wrote:No. But I do believe nobody will buy them in the LP store. So price will pretty much stay the same. Might go down a bit due to drops but never on a level to justify the pricetag. Either Nestor get a better niche, lower Price or it will stay forever a "lulz for killmails"/hangarqueen. ) Why would i sell them for 800m when i can sell them to BUY orders for 1.4b... Thats almost 2900 isk/LP from 0.0 or 1800 isk/LP from high sec, and last i checked (12hrs ago) wou could sell 11 ships for that price. 4.4m 0.0 LP or 6.6m high sec LP. As it stands thats MORE from high sec SoE LP than Vindicators, the highest priced pirate BS atm. Using Rattlesnake as an example again its 3.2 time more per LP than Gurista Arean Proktor wrote: But if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead: run missions for SoE and sell Nestor for 800mio (still wont buy it tho...) My point is that there are people that think this ship is worth the current price, people are willing to bay it and thats where supply/demand put the price. If the ship did not sell at this price it would be lower, and thats why i have been using the Rattlesnake as an example, its price is have nothing to do with LP value since the supply from drops is higher/high enough to support the demand. Would you buy a Nestor for 400m? 300? what is the price where you think it will be used?
I imagine if you actually tried to sell the nestor you had bought elsewhere or built you would find that the purchaser would be unable to pay for the order as it was a margin trade scam. Speculators are desperately trying to find any suckers going to make a buck or just get out of this disaster. CCP still have not realised that the market they intended(wormholes) just will not buy an uncloaked warp battleship and take it out of the home hole. There are better and/or cheaper ships that do useful roles that cannot travel in WH Space, and all the extras and goodies they add on will make no more difference than putting electric windows and heated seats on a car that cannot fit wheels.
There is precisely one use for a battleship that warps uncloaked in wormholes more than one jump from the Home Hole. Bait. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2014.06.19 03:09:00 -
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My vote goes to make the nestor the only logistics enabled black ops ship. It should be transformed to a full fledge faction black ops...
No covert cloak for battleships IMHO. "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Aakkonen
The Phaeacian Fleet SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:36:00 -
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ugh... how many times I have to say this... I DONT WANT COVERT CLOAK in BS's just speed bonus from BlOps
But as Saisin said it would be rather nice to have Cloaky capable Logistics ship that doesnt cost over 60 bil (Etana) Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7 |
Coyote Laughing
19
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Posted - 2014.06.22 11:16:00 -
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Aakkonen wrote:ugh... how many times I have to say this... I DONT WANT COVERT CLOAK in BS's just speed bonus from BlOps
But as Saisin said it would be rather nice to have Cloaky capable Logistics ship that doesnt cost over 60 bil (Etana)
I'd be okay with simply giving it a covert ops cloak, but forcing it to decloak to do logistics.
That would also let it jump with Black Ops Battleships, but not generate the covert portal itself and preserve the exclusive role.
The 200% bonus is okay, but maybe switching to a drone logistics bonus instead (so it has two high slots left for cloaking and probe launchers)? l8r \o/ |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.06.22 11:35:00 -
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Coyote Laughing wrote:I'd be okay with simply giving it a covert ops cloak, but forcing it to decloak to do logistics.
That would also let it jump with Black Ops Battleships, but not generate the covert portal itself and preserve the exclusive role.
The 200% bonus is okay, but maybe switching to a drone logistics bonus instead (so it has two high slots left for cloaking and probe launchers)?
Can you please stay out of discussions you have no clue about.
No active module will work while cloaked ... not sure why you hint, that a cov ops can rep while cloaked and want to forcibly decloak it as a penalty on the Nestor.
Sorry, if this breaks any rules, but to be polite, I'll call 'rubbish' when I see it. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.22 11:43:00 -
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A Covert ops cloak would fix alot, but as far as i know that comes with warping cloaked and no battleship have that ability. If it was some way to prevent cloaked warping for a cov ops cloaked ship i would support that. Or if its possible to black ops bridge without the cloak that would also give it alot more use |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.06.22 11:48:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote:A Covert ops cloak would fix alot, but as far as i know that comes with warping cloaked and no battleship have that ability. If it was some way to prevent cloaked warping for a cov ops cloaked ship i would support that. Or if its possible to black ops bridge without the cloak that would also give it alot more use
The warp-while cloaked attribute of the covered ops is the main thing that makes it a covered ops. The option to give the Nestor a reduction to the speed penalty has already been made above and does not require the cov ops installment at all. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Coyote Laughing
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Posted - 2014.06.22 12:10:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Can you please stay out of discussions you have no clue about.
Sorry, if this breaks any rules, but to be polite, I'll call 'rubbish' when I see it.
If you want to be polite, give me a reasoned argument and support it with a few examples. l8r \o/ |
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