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Doreen Kaundur 539	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:40:00 - [1] - Quote topics like Santa Claus, tooth fairy...etc. I recall the lies and the subtle disappointment as I grew up that I was being lied to. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't think it's right. What do you think? 1. Minor navigation color change. 2. Show bookmarks in the overview.
Ralph King-Griffin Viziam Amarr Empire 2064	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:45:00 - [2] - Quote of corse its ok to lie to children, mine would never take me seriously as an adult, never mind as a parent if they knew a fraction of what i have done, regardless of context "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." Unsuccessful At Everything
Mizhir Euphoria Released Triumvirate. 63443	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:45:00 - [3] - Quote There are cases where the lies will benefit the children more than the truth. As you said, Santa and so on. But then there are also cases where parents lie to their children because they don't have the guts to tell them that life isn't always sugar sweet. And that's why we got freakshows like X-factor where some teens gets absolutely humiliated because they have been told by their parents they are good which they obviously aren't. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11982	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:47:00 - [4] - Quote What do you mean santa is a lie? I get a present from him every year! Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Marcus Gord Stormcrows 56557	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:52:00 - [5] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: topics like Santa Claus, tooth fairy...etc. I recall the lies and the subtle disappointment as I grew up that I was being lied to. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't think it's right. What do you think? i don't think it's right, but i'm a cold, harsh piece of work. i also don't want kids, so not my problem You can't take the sky from me ".....Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well....."
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 1679	Posted - 2014.06.17 15:12:00 - [6] - Quote It's ok to lie to them, but not ok to brainwash them. Unfortunately, society is OK with both. .. when everything else is gone ..
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 111078	Posted - 2014.06.17 15:23:00 - [7] - Quote I'm lied to every day by politicians, stock brokers, preachers, corporations, lawyers, food manufacturers, drug companies........ "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 1354	Posted - 2014.06.17 15:45:00 - [8] - Quote Children should be left to be children for as long as possible they are rammed through life at an ever accelerating rate, and they fast lose the chance to be a child let them worry about the biggest lie they'll ever hear, after they've grown up
Dorian Tormak Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 248	Posted - 2014.06.17 16:41:00 - [9] - Quote It's OK to lie to anyone. I adore the ***** who calls herself Reality.
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 3268	Posted - 2014.06.17 16:44:00 - [10] - Quote I remembering being a little irked when I found I'd been b.s.ed about Santee also. But I continued the tradition and b.s.ed my own kids, because: -School, TV, etc. were going to do it anyway -I didn't make a big serious lore thing out of it. I kind of did it with a wink and a smirk. -I figured letting them go along with the customary fairy tale things wouldn't hurt them too much. I mean, if discovering Santee and the Tooth Fairy were fake really traumatized people, the customs would have died out, right? People would have quit doing them, because they were no fun. -The alternative is to tell a little preschooler that what their teachers, friends, and friends parents are sayings is all a big lie. That's kind of a heavy burden for a little kid's psychology to have to deal with. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006)

Lido Seahawk Norr Amalgamated Industries 120	Posted - 2014.06.17 17:09:00 - [11] - Quote I so want to comment on this thread, but I can guarantee my opinions would trigger a flame war. Must....keep... mouth..... grrrr! I will say I think the santa stories and such are part of a cultural meme to condition people to just accept the BS that comes later. They are little lies designed to prepare the brood for the big lies.... Can I have your stuff?
Eurydia Vespasian Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance 9069	Posted - 2014.06.17 17:58:00 - [12] - Quote What about that one that if you fiddle with yourself you go blind?
Rin Valador Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces 102	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:18:00 - [13] - Quote I'm going to have to go with the OP on this one only when it applys to mythical characters. Being convinced that santa is real all the way till you are 15 years old because you trusted your parents to always do right by you and then being let down like that.... Scars people man TT_TT "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10
Dorian Tormak Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 248	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:34:00 - [14] - Quote Eurydia Vespasian wrote: What about that one that if you fiddle with yourself you go blind? That was a lie? OK, now I'm really mad at my parents. I adore the ***** who calls herself Reality.
Zimmy Zeta Perkone Caldari State 41360	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:36:00 - [15] - Quote Dorian Tormak wrote: Eurydia Vespasian wrote: What about that one that if you fiddle with yourself you go blind? That was a lie? OK, now I'm really mad at my parents. Can't see what's wrong with it.... I'm just going to walk the Earth. You know, like Caine in Kung Fu: walk from place to place, meet people, get into adventures and die of autoerotic asphyxation in a sleazy Thai hotel room.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 8112	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:40:00 - [16] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: topics like Santa Claus, tooth fairy...etc. I recall the lies and the subtle disappointment as I grew up that I was being lied to. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't think it's right. What do you think? That those are legends and/or mythologies, not necessarily a "lie". Otherwise every work of fiction and imagination is just a lie. Life would be bland if done away with such things, and difficult to express thought through narrative for various learning and nurturing purposes.
Dorian Tormak Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 248	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:44:00 - [17] - Quote Webvan wrote: That those are legends and/or mythologies, not necessarily a "lie". Otherwise every work of fiction and imagination is just a lie. Life would be bland if done away with such things, and difficult to express thought through narrative for various learning and nurturing purposes. People actually tell their kids that the Tooth Fairy trades their tooth for some money. Lie. I adore the ***** who calls herself Reality.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 8113	Posted - 2014.06.17 19:04:00 - [18] - Quote Dorian Tormak wrote: Webvan wrote: That those are legends and/or mythologies, not necessarily a "lie". Otherwise every work of fiction and imagination is just a lie. Life would be bland if done away with such things, and difficult to express thought through narrative for various learning and nurturing purposes. People actually tell their kids that the Tooth Fairy trades their tooth for some money. Lie. Edit: Trades some money for a tooth, rather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooth_fairy Yeah... because we shouldn't encourage imagination in children. We should just tell them that they will have a sad life of hardship and die a agonizing death one day. If a kid want's to believe in fairies and unicorns when they are little, as all kids do and want to, it's not my place to smash their little imaginations. Huge difference compared to a "lie", and to call it such just lessens what a lie is. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything -Mark Twain Wow, what a liar he actually was, eh? I don't need to remember the tooth fairy, it's just a myth, folklore, which is just a tradition with imagination for the benefit of children. If you somehow feel wronged by your parents for playing imaginary games with you... well can't help you there.
Dorian Tormak Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 248	Posted - 2014.06.17 19:14:00 - [19] - Quote Webvan wrote: Dorian Tormak wrote: Webvan wrote: That those are legends and/or mythologies, not necessarily a "lie". Otherwise every work of fiction and imagination is just a lie. Life would be bland if done away with such things, and difficult to express thought through narrative for various learning and nurturing purposes. People actually tell their kids that the Tooth Fairy trades their tooth for some money. Lie. Edit: Trades some money for a tooth, rather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooth_fairy Yeah... because we shouldn't encourage imagination in children. We should just tell them that they will have a sad life of hardship and die a agonizing death one day. If a kid want's to believe in fairies and unicorns when they are little, as all kids do and want to, it's not my place to smash their little imaginations. Huge difference compared to a "lie", and to call it such just lessens what a lie is. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything -Mark Twain Wow, what a liar he actually was, eh? I don't need to remember the tooth fairy, it's just a myth, folklore, which is just a tradition with imagination for the benefit of children. If you somehow feel wronged by your parents for playing imaginary games with you... well can't help you there. It's OK bro. Let it out. I wish the Tooth Fairy was real too. As far as I'm concerned, things like the Tooth Fairy and Santa are not necessarily "for the benefit of children". It's a lie, plain and simple. I don't really care, it just is what it is. Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 14442	Posted - 2014.06.17 19:40:00 - [20] - Quote No, go ahead sweetie, tell mommy how she really looks in those jeans... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*

Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 3275	Posted - 2014.06.17 20:53:00 - [21] - Quote And it's especially OK to tell your kids that the boogie man will get them if they don't start behaving. (Who is this boogie man, anyway? Why no images of him? And any relation to funk/disco music?) "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006)
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 3887	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:02:00 - [22] - Quote Truthfulness in all things because every lie is a abomination unto reality itself. But that's just me. I made truth the prime principle of mine. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Dorian Tormak Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 249	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:09:00 - [23] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: And it's especially OK to tell your kids that the boogie man will get them if they don't start behaving. (Who is this boogie man, anyway? Why no images of him? And any relation to funk/disco music?) I used to picture a goofy cartoon guy doing a "boogie" type dance when I would think about the boogie man. I was still scared of it but that's what popped into my head when I was a kid. Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Evei Shard Shard Industries 312	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:02:00 - [24] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: topics like Santa Claus, tooth fairy...etc. I recall the lies and the subtle disappointment as I grew up that I was being lied to. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't think it's right. What do you think? I think you need a change of venue if you honestly believe the Eve Online forums are a place to get good advice on moral issues. Profit favors the prepared
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 1689	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:59:00 - [25] - Quote Eurydia Vespasian wrote: What about that one that if you fiddle with yourself you go blind? hhrl diisal?? dsjjdklk elld lld !!!! kfkd;d ehlp ehlp! fhklwpepm ddf efefe f feffef ddfdd dfdfdddd ddd slgrotolloell ? .. when everything else is gone ..
Aspalis Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1522	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:01:00 - [26] - Quote I tell all the time to kids that if they eat their greens, there will be cake. Of course, there is no cake. The cake is a lie. Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."
Ila Dace Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11608	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:06:00 - [27] - Quote baltec1 wrote: What do you mean santa is a lie? I get a present from him every year! Spoiler, Santa is really Odin. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg
Jonny D Adtur always faithfull 12	Posted - 2014.06.18 03:13:00 - [28] - Quote When my daughter gets older I will allow her to believe whatever she wants (Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, God etc.) but I won't lie to her. If she asks me if Santa is real, I will tell her to pull his beard and find out. Will I encourage her? Yes of course I will. Would I lie to her if she asks the big questions? Depends on how old she is. If she asks the sex questions at a young age then the old stork tale will be told. Lying to children is okay, it just depends how you lie to them and the context it is. Dustbunny, Legionhare, Miner.
Eurydia Vespasian Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance 9119	Posted - 2014.06.18 04:04:00 - [29] - Quote i knew the stork story was bullshit even at a young age. my brother is 10 years older than i am. he had dirty magazines he hid in his closet. i figured out what was up pretty early lol
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1127	Posted - 2014.06.18 07:34:00 - [30] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: topics like Santa Claus, tooth fairy...etc. I recall the lies and the subtle disappointment as I grew up that I was being lied to. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't think it's right. What do you think? Your parents didn't lie well enough then. If they go the extra mile to make it believable the joy of discovering the truth bit by tiny little bit will be all the better. Also, the festivities are the same fun even after wards, so why not. shrugs Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.

Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 380	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:52:00 - [31] - Quote Ok, here it goes... - Tooth fairy does not exist in the culture of my country. Parents just give the money to their children when the tooth is out - Storks for bringing little brothers and sisters exist in local culture. However, instead of believing in that story, I remember that I knew where my brother is, but was somewhat confused about how is he going to get out of there (I was 4 ) - Santa was always a shady and at least questionable character. I had my doubts, but two events totally confirmed them. Just a note, since I live in an orthodox church country, Santa gives presents for New Year and Christmas is mostly religious holiday for "grown ups" : 1) One year when my kindergarten group was receiving presents for New Year, we were all supposed to take a picture with Santa individually. I still remember the horrible alcoholic breath of that "Santa" However, that only confirmed my doubts that there were fake Santas, as surely someone who is supposed to be nice and give presents wouldn't smell of "Rakija". 2) What definitively confirmed it was the next year. I grew up in hyper-inflation. Just to give a hint of what I'm talking about: Quote: rate of inflation hit 5 +ù 10^15 percent cumulative inflation over the time period 1 October 1993 and 24 January 1994. Peak Month and Rate of Inflation: Jan. 1994, 313 billion percent). (source) In an environment like that, I had to know, as a pre-schooler, how to calculate using billions in order to be able to buy candy , so I was aware of what inflation and devaluation was and knew which forms of money existed. That year, my father somehow got his hands on a certain amount of bank cheques, which were rare at the time even though they were, at the time, the only legal way to spend money directly from your bank account (without picking up the money from the bank yourself, of course). The real beauty of it was that you could write a date on it and the money could not be claimed before that date. Given the inflation rates and the fact that most of the stores were owned by the government (big thanks to communism), if you set a date a month from when you are buying stuff, the inflation would bring the final amount to pretty much nothing (313,000,000,000% remember). So, the only "victim" in this was the government itself, who was responsible for the situation anyway. Since I already knew how bank cheques work, my father just brought the cheques one day before the New Year and said: "Son, you are going to pick now whatever you want for your New Year's presents. This year, it will really be Santa who is going to pay for the stuff." We both laughed. Actually, that was the best New Year in my life 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279
Kijo Rikki Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables 787	Posted - 2014.06.18 15:59:00 - [32] - Quote I believe it depends on a few variables. Children have wonderful imaginations and it can be rewarding and fun to see the tooth fairy and santa claus and other fairy tale stories come to life through children. Of course, the truth should be brought to life before they hit double digits if they haven't already figured it out by then. Likewise, some things about life, death, sex, winning and losing are ok at first to shield children from, but should be brought to light by double digits or shortly thereafter. I think one of the most important lies we tell our children that needs to be brought to light before middle school is the fact that not everybody is a winner and special. They need to taste defeat and learn how to deal with it. Otherwise we're just throwing our children to the wolves when they get out of high school or college and they find out real quick that life is not fair, they are not always winners and there are no prizes for second place, and they have no idea how to handle it. And lastly, I personally despise ideological indoctrination, of any kind. It is really hard to change your signature settings
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 141	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:52:00 - [33] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: topics like Santa Claus, tooth fairy...etc. I recall the lies and the subtle disappointment as I grew up that I was being lied to. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't think it's right. What do you think? If finding out Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy aren't real is so traumatizing to you then you need a psychiatrist, not an Eve account.
Marsha Mallow 1100	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:23:00 - [34] - Quote Depends what kind of lies. I lie to kids in the family all the time (mainly to get them to go to bed when I'm looking after them). You know you've derped when you make one cry My mother told me when I was 21 the goldfish I had when I was 5 died. Several times. So she kept replacing it rather than tell me. Apparently I didn't even notice it changed colour once (she said it was what they do when they grow up). I was torn between amusement and outrage when she confessed, but I'd have probably been really upset at the time. Especially since she flushed the dead ones down the loo. I think those are lies to protect parents from having to do difficult things so I had a bit of gleeful revenge. She was known as 'the muderer' for a few weeks, and I kept asking whether they were really dead when she flushed them ('Did you perform CPR, mother?!?'). TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 206	Posted - 2014.06.19 02:21:00 - [35] - Quote A man who always tells the truth is not an honest person, he's a sadist. Believe it was Heinlein who said that in one of his books, always struck me as a nugget of sagacity.


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