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Bourgeoisvio	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:05:00 - [1] Alright, I give up. How do you survive gate snipers from vaporizing you instantly at 197km with 1400mm guns? Thanks to the sensor boosters improving range AND lock on time (bonuses that really need to be seperated), they can sit well out of sentry gun range, insta-lock even an interceptor with <30m signature, and pop you before you reach the gate despite travelling at speeds of 1+km/s. Besides fitting a MWD on an interceptor (and making you an even bigger target for those massive guns), how do you get passed these guys? You can't approach them and deal with them, you can't outrun them, and the sentry guns cant touch them. So what's a traveller to do? Please don't just say "instas". DUH (some low sec systems are so often camped that even getting instas there is a problem.
Deadeye Dave	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:09:00 - [2] If your wanting to kill him I would say Force Recons to lock him down and kill. If your wanting to get past without instas and your saying Interceptors with MWDs arent working you could try Covert Ops Frigs or Force Recons.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:10:00 - [3] Warp out before the sniper gets a lock or fit plates and/or nanos and pray.
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:18:00 - [4] T2 ammo for the lose. Aside from that though, there's serveral ways. A covert ops can fly right up to them, then your mate in a megapulse geddon can jump in, warp straight on top of the Tempest and ***** him open. Before you decloak, have a look where the Tempest is. Is it in line with any celestial objects? Yes? Then 1 or two warps and a BM or two will enable you to warp right on top of him. Does he come here often? If he does then bookmark where he sits and again you can warp in top of him. One thing to consider is that to pop you at that range he'll be sacrificing most if not all of his midslots, and likely be unable to run a tank in his lowslots, so if you do get close, you can nail him. In addition the T2 ammo has a nasty tracking penalty, but generally if he's using +range modules they also improve tracking, which can go some way to compensate.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:21:00 - [5] Pay them
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:22:00 - [6] Originally by: HippoKing Pay them Better to whine on the forums about T2 long range ammo being completely whacked than paying them :) Paying them would only encourage them.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: HippoKing Pay them Better to whine on the forums about T2 long range ammo being completely whacked than paying them :) Paying them would only encourage them. i get 170km range with t1 ammo... quite ur whining... oh you cant do anything when ur dead so gl tryna get outa my sights Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:27:00 - [8] Originally by: XGS Crimson Originally by: Stamm Originally by: HippoKing Pay them Better to whine on the forums about T2 long range ammo being completely whacked than paying them :) Paying them would only encourage them. i get 170km range with t1 ammo... quite ur whining... oh you cant do anything when ur dead so gl tryna get outa my sights Yes, 170KM range, and what can you kill with that, before it enters warp?
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:28:00 - [9] err anything upto cruisers and if ur having problems with t2 ammo then u are either flying a crap ship or have a crap setup Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:30:00 - [10] Originally by: XGS Crimson err anything upto cruisers and if ur having problems with t2 ammo then u are either flying a crap ship or have a crap setup So you mean you can lock down a frigate, shuttle, pod or destroyer, and kill it with T1 ammo before it gets into warp? Congratulations, you're a liar!
CardboardSword42	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:30:00 - [11] 1) Put a MWD on an interceptor, unless you have something really clever in mind putting an afterburner on a ceptor is horribly stupid 2) Instas 3) Warp out? There aren't 150km+ warp disruptors I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:31:00 - [12] yup 450mm rail guns do wonders Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Stamm Paying them would only encourage them. /hits head against desk. no, no, no, no, NO! This is worst reason to not pay ransoms or to pay your way through camps ever
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:33:00 - [14] Originally by: XGS Crimson yup 450mm rail guns do wonders You're making it up.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:35:00 - [15] well i had over 100kills in 2 hours in my home system once we out killed rancer Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:35:00 - [16] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Stamm Paying them would only encourage them. /hits head against desk. no, no, no, no, NO! This is worst reason to not pay ransoms or to pay your way through camps ever I wasn't really being serious. But I might consider it if I was warp scrambled, but a sniper? I'd take my chances and warp off, especially if it was the guy claiming to kill everything under a cruiser at 170KM with tech 1 ammo.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Stamm Paying them would only encourage them. /hits head against desk. no, no, no, no, NO! This is worst reason to not pay ransoms or to pay your way through camps ever I wasn't really being serious. But I might consider it if I was warp scrambled, but a sniper? I'd take my chances and warp off, especially if it was the guy claiming to kill everything under a cruiser at 170KM with tech 1 ammo. you noob u wana come test out my sniperthron to see if im right? Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:37:00 - [18] Originally by: XGS Crimson Originally by: Stamm Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Stamm Paying them would only encourage them. /hits head against desk. no, no, no, no, NO! This is worst reason to not pay ransoms or to pay your way through camps ever I wasn't really being serious. But I might consider it if I was warp scrambled, but a sniper? I'd take my chances and warp off, especially if it was the guy claiming to kill everything under a cruiser at 170KM with tech 1 ammo. you noob u wana come test out my sniperthron to see if im right? If you're up north I will. But I'm not going miles out of my way to prove you wrong.
Shigsy mya	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:39:00 - [19] ever been threw rancer? we are right near there and no im not wrong if you like i will post u all 214 kill mails ive had over the last month u can check em if u like but trust me a sniperthron with t1 ammo at 170km can kill just about any frigate or destroyer... only the lucky ones escape
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:41:00 - [20] Holy crap you actually managed to kill a bunch of frigates in your battleship?!?! Now that's what I call PVP --------------------------- What can I put here without getting banned?
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:43:00 - [21] lol well since im using t1 ammo i cant kill much more... all that will change in 20 days Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Shigsy mya ever been threw rancer? we are right near there and no im not wrong if you like i will post u all 214 kill mails ive had over the last month u can check em if u like but trust me a sniperthron with t1 ammo at 170km can kill just about any frigate or destroyer... only the lucky ones escape Evemail me a few, or give me a link where I can see them. And if you really want, I'll come down in a destroyer, frigate, shuttle or shuttle - you choose. I'll jump through the gate, If your Megathron with rails and T1 ammo sitting 170KM off the gate kills me I'll give you 1 billion ISK. If I enter warp, I get 1 billion ISK from you. We'll choose a neutral to hold the money before we do it. You only use the megathron, no bubbles, cans to bump me, other ships etc. Fancy losing 1bil?
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:49:00 - [23] Originally by: XGS Crimson lol well since im using t1 ammo i cant kill much more... all that will change in 20 days I was being sarcastic, sniping frigates in low sec is for noobs. --------------------------- What can I put here without getting banned?
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:50:00 - [24] Oh and to reply to the op, get in some force recons and wait until you've got a chance to nab them. --------------------------- What can I put here without getting banned?
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:22:00 - [25] its more of a bordem thing... eve does get quite boring Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:24:00 - [26] Originally by: XGS Crimson you noob u wana come test out my sniperthron to see if im right? Yes please, I'll be back in EvE in about 5 days and would be happy to approach you from 170 km in a tech 1 frigate. If you arent stabbed up with light drones I may even blow you up. @the OP. A sniping bs with t2 ammo should never kill a ceptor if the pilot knows what they are doing. A nanofibered indy can also get away if the pilot does not panic and its only 1 bs.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:27:00 - [27] Originally by: XGS Crimson here and il stick 30 rounds of t1 ammo in ur hull before u can click ur warp button. oh and most times when people gate snipe its people going to the gate not coming out of it... noob. 30 rounds, thats 4 and a bit vollies. Thats more than 20 seconds with maxed skills (which you dont have. Stop talking rubbish mr "sniper god"
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:27:00 - [28] uhuh well i get around 80 dps with rails and i have 7 of em Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:28:00 - [29] each Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:29:00 - [30] im not guna give away my setup secrets but 4 vollys with a sniperthron is easy..... Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
Shigsy mya	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:30:00 - [31] and may i ask how do u expect a ship with 1500 hp at most to survive 7 guns doing 80 dps each...?
Bazman	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:30:00 - [32] Edited by: Bazman on 17/06/2006 22:33:56 Snipers are rediculously easy to avoid, hell, if i encounter a lone sniper in low sec in my ceptor, I go for them lol, they'll warp off the moment you get within 100km and you can continue on your way LOL at secrets of firing 4 volleys of railgun fire, do i even have to mock something that stupid? ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente whiner.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:31:00 - [33] heh damn alt Signature removed, please resize it to meet the 400x120 pixel and 24000 bytes max rules. Yours is currently 464x65 and 28702 bytes. - Ivan K
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:34:00 - [34] Crusader with named nanos, one overdrive injector and mwd can escape anything.I can no problem mwd to a gate after getting out of warp without taking much damage. Warping to next gate after a jump and de cloak is no problem eiter. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Bazman	Posted - 2006.06.17 22:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Shigsy mya and may i ask how do u expect a ship with 1500 hp at most to survive 7 guns doing 80 dps each...? Yes, you won't hit me in the first place ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente whiner.
Bourgeoisvio	Posted - 2006.06.17 23:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Deja Thoris @the OP. A sniping bs with t2 ammo should never kill a ceptor if the pilot knows what they are doing.A nanofibered indy can also get away if the pilot does not panic and its only 1 bs. Well, I just got interceptors so I probably don't know what I'm doing =( Warping away is no problem, but i NEED to get through the gate they're camping and don't have time to wait around until they log off. I was in a raptor (possibly the worst interceptor and definately the slowest, I know, but it's all I can afford) with cold-arc afterburners and all 3 low slots with nanofiber, pulling about 1.2km/s. Made a run for the gate at 15km and got popped just as I was about to jump. The sad part was, it was a sniping cruiser, not a BS. I can use MWD's now, so I'll see how that goes. What would be the best way to close with a sniper this way? It'd seem that no amount of transversal in the world will help you at that range (havent done the math though) and your increased signature radius would get you slaughtered by his guns long before you got into range. Thing is, how do you afford to fit nano fiber? It seems that if you run an interceptor with a MWD then you need grid/capacitor modules if you want to fit anything else and have the energy to keep it running.
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.17 23:20:00 - [37] Originally by: XGS Crimson im not guna give away my setup secrets but 4 vollys with a sniperthron is easy..... Then put your money where your mouth is. If you're right then your corp will know this, and front the money. Not that difficult to sc*****up a bil.
Bren Kasir	Posted - 2006.06.17 23:53:00 - [38] If you're flying a raptor, and can't use a MWD, give it up... wait til you can use MWD, get a crow, and try that out. As for avoiding gate snipers, the killer time is the couple of seconds when you're accellerating toward the gate, your sig radius is huge, your speed comparatively low (1-2km/s and rising), and you're just a sitting duck. And yes sniper BS will also shred an inty before it can warp out thanks to insta-lock and insta-kill. On top of which spot the sniper's alignment anyway, he'll be aligned at full speed toward your logical warp-out destination by the time you uncloak and get there if not before you then close enough. Bren Kasir --- You want fries with that?
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.06.17 23:57:00 - [39] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 17/06/2006 23:59:08 Screw gate snipers... what about ravens tanking sentries sitting 5km off the gate. Total rubbish and very exploitive if you ask me. Or not being able to use fighters in 0.4 to defend yourself with your primary weapon? Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Bourgeoisvio	Posted - 2006.06.18 10:26:00 - [40] Close range tanking gate campers I don't have a problem with. At least I can do something about them (ECM or warp jam hoping to keep them around long enough for sentries to kill). But the snipers, there's really nothing you can do about them without a cloak. Can't reach them, can't warp on top of them, cant run away from them due to insta-lock, can't ECM them, can't out-wait them since they're totally out of sentry range.
Testicular Testes	Posted - 2006.06.18 11:14:00 - [41] Closerange camping is awesome, although the fact that those Ravens all have stabs is a bit annoying (There goes my BZ-5 for a 2pointer instead :( ). Closerange camps allow for some entertainment, whereas snipers are all about whether they'll sit around long enough for the Cheetah/Overdrive-Arazu to get into position ;)
Mike Yagon	Posted - 2006.06.18 11:43:00 - [42] Originally by: XGS Crimson its more of a bordem thing... eve does get quite boring What do you expect if you gatecamp?
St'oto	Posted - 2006.06.18 12:04:00 - [43] W8, you guys must do something wrong, a bs locks an inty in about 3-5 seconds with 3 sensor booster. So if you die in an inty due to sniper bs you must flying your ship wront either you have the skills. I have managed to burst into about 30 sniper bs from 200 km in fleet battles, yes they all fired at me and noone hit me. I did it in a taranis which considered as the slowest ceptor out there. My only problem was the cerberus which was with the snipers and he started firing me at about 50km with precisious heavys. If you use an inty use its advantage: the speed. If you have high transversal they dont have a chance hitting you.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.18 12:17:00 - [44] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/06/2006 12:17:25 I was being sniped by 2 guys from the pirate coalition in my rupture. They used a armageddon and a tempest i think. I hit the MWD, approaching the gate. Shield gone... armor taking heavy damage. But since i had a 1600mm plate on it, they didnt get into structure before i reached the gate, despite some massive dps and very nice hits. They killed off about 1500 shield and 5300 armor (hardened to about 50%) in maybe 7 seconds once they got a lock. Pretty cool experience. 2 sniping battleships and my rupture survived. Covert ops + friends is probably the best way to get rid of them. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal
Mirasta	Posted - 2006.06.18 14:44:00 - [45] Using a MWD to a gate is probably the best way to help those snipers out, it make you look as big as a battle ship to there guns thanks to the sig radius increase. To XGS Crimson Even with maximum skills and full low slot mag stabs 2 the highest ROF you can achieve is: 5.144 sec. Here I have assumed you have ALL gunnery skills required to do this at 5 in fact i assumed you have LVL 5 in everything apart from large hybrid, where I assumed LVL 4 because you said you couldnÆt use T2 yet. Factoring this in i set a target shuttle at your assumed optimal of around 180km, This was calculated Assuming all mid slots had a Tracking computer 2 in and all your gunnery skills where at 5 again. At your optimal range i came out with a bout 85-90% chance to hit a Shuttle. The overall RAW DPS is estimated at 120DPS, 95DPs to shield, 99% Damage to armor and 140DPS to hull. Taking Accuracy into account 81DPS, 99DPS and 119DPS to Shields Armor and Hull. For these calcs i used an Ammar shuttle this means your gunna Pop that sucker in about 3-4 seconds, Impressive Eh. Well not really Considering that your you are not actually gunna be ale to lock from that range with out some SB2, so i redid the cals with 2 SB2 in mid, Brought your tracking down a bit i might say. This worked out at a 7 second kill time, Again pretty good i hear you cry. But not when you factor in your locking time which I am gunna assume will be 2-3 seconds because you obviously have Sig Analysis LVL 5, rite? Giving you a generous kill time of 9 seconds, I have over estimated and rounded in your favor on these calcs so they will be distorted but damn if a shuttle cant warp in 10 seconds then well then your killing AFKers. Honestly It will more than likely take you longer than that because most people will have a few LVLs of nav done a bit of shield op done things like that that will boost there hp and speeds making it even longer to kill that shuttle. Oh and before you get all clever, if ALL your shots hit a shuttle at 170k with the 2 SB setup then yes you could insta pop it, the likelihood of that happing is very low and i cant be bothered to go into the details and maths behind it. So if you do enter in to a bet regarding your sniping prowess, ill put my money on the other guy thanks (All calcs done on Quickfit v0.99z)
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.18 15:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Mirasta -Snip- So basically he's a liar. It's what I said way back :)
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.18 21:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Bren Kasir And yes sniper BS will also shred an inty before it can warp out thanks to insta-lock and insta-kill. Absolute rubbish I'm afraid
Bourgeoisvio	Posted - 2006.06.18 22:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Bren Kasir And yes sniper BS will also shred an inty before it can warp out thanks to insta-lock and insta-kill. Absolute rubbish I'm afraid This is true. The problem is making the run to the gate. What's the best way to close distance with a sniper so at least you can get him to run away? Fly a zig zag pattern towards him to keep up your transversal while still closing? Any one want to hazard a guess as to how fast you'd have to be transversing in order to dodge large long range (197km) sniper guns, keeping in mind that you're not maintaining an optimum transversal orbit since you're also trying to close with him?
Lady Fallon	Posted - 2006.06.18 23:04:00 - [49] meh snipers are all pansies too wuss to be real gate campers or pirates. do your best to deny them the kill, cloaking, T2 haulers, covert ops and dropping a bunch of battleships on top of them via warp to gang member.
Mirasta	Posted - 2006.06.18 23:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Mirasta -Snip- So basically he's a liar. It's what I said way back :) I like throwing numbers arround, all the cool kids are doing it.
Wizard	Posted - 2006.06.18 23:21:00 - [51] Edited by: Wizard on 18/06/2006 23:21:19 It does make me chuckle reading stuff like this. People replying again and again explaining how uber they are and telling a lot of "eve veterans" such as stamm etc how things are done. I love the line which says somthing like you killed 200 ships in an hour or 2? Im sorry but straight away i thought muppet I dont think even heinky with his navy megathron and officer smartbombs could say he killed that many people in such a short time on one of the busiests 0.0 routes in eve. Without Reason corp website ^^looking for a PvP corp with little stress then look no further.

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