| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
Rthor
   |
Posted - 2006.06.17 23:26:00 -
[1]
These refs and cards are ridiculous.
First the stupid red+yellow on penalty kick in Czech Ghana game and then red cards against Americans.
It seems like it is impossible now to cause a penalty kick without getting sent off. This seems new.
And also it looks like you cant slide tackle any more either because you dont know what a ref might do.
I think that these teams spent years on qualifying and there should be some respect towards this from refs and FIFA. I dont think its the time to try changes in rule interpretations during World Cups. If they want more goals why not start a game with 9 players. Todays games were basically ruined by refs. And it seems likely that the way things are going this World Cup will be decided by ref mistake.
|
DirtyHarry
|
Posted - 2006.06.17 23:53:00 -
[2]
Its because USA is terrible and if the teams cant stop them winning, the refs will.
(go brazil)
-Havo
-------------------
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - yarr tbh
"Take from the rich and put it on eBay" - zincol |
Rthor
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 00:20:00 -
[3]
Italy was more terrible. But anyway the whole group E is a group of primma donna teams. Whoever is favored to win a game just figures that they will win automatically and does not even have to play.
First it was USA with "world cup champs or failure" attitude getting their teeth kicked in, then it was Czech's I guess too much partying and celebrating going through to next round the night before playing Ghana and now it was Italy's turn. Brazil should probably also be in this group if they dont get their act together.
|
Galk
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 01:08:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Rthor
Italy was more terrible.
The truth, they were yet again pulling all the old dirty tricks in defence again tonight.
Hands over the shoulders, checking players, it never changes.
Hats off to the americans tonight, you pulled a blinder all things considerd.
______
Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free.
We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
|
Luc Boye
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 01:11:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Rthor
First the stupid red+yellow on penalty kick in Czech Ghana game and then red cards against Americans.
Tbh the way ppl tackled with feet first going for opponents feet, Im amazed there weren't even more red cards. And if someone still doesn't get it, RTFM.
Fotball != UFC
|
Baldour Ngarr
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 06:13:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Rthor
And also it looks like you cant slide tackle any more either because you dont know what a ref might do.
Well, that's a start. In an ideal world, you can't slide tackle because you DO know what a ref will do - automatically send you off.
If we want more goals, we ought to eliminate all the plays that stop goals, like dangerous sliding tackles, shirt pulling, barging off the ball and so on. At least FIFA are making a start.
________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
HolographicEntrypoint
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:19:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Rthor
Fotball != UFC
rofl
---
^ Convo/Evemail for custom sig!
My custom EvE Signature Gallery |
Harris
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 12:19:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Rthor
And also it looks like you cant slide tackle any more either because you dont know what a ref might do.
Well, that's a start. In an ideal world, you can't slide tackle because you DO know what a ref will do - automatically send you off.
If we want more goals, we ought to eliminate all the plays that stop goals, like dangerous sliding tackles, shirt pulling, barging off the ball and so on. At least FIFA are making a start.
Cheating like this is bad right enough and the offenders should get punished but some of the cards are frankly ridiculous.
We dont' want 'more goals'. We want cleaner games but it seems that the game is less and less of a contact sport, turning more into 'kiss-ball' that it gets christened by rugby players.
Players foul all over the pitch, attackers and defenders alike. Stamping out anything approaching a hard challenge or a shoulder barge even, is making the game boring. The 'dive merchants' are getting their own way more and more but never get punished.
|
Harris
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 12:21:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
....barging off the ball....
It's called a shoulder barge and is allowed.
Just because the opponant falls like he's been shot by an elephant gun weilding sniper in row X doesn't mean he was fouled.
|
Soulis
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 13:49:00 -
[10]
a few years and football will be a non contact sport. mark my words!
Shinra - The Good Guys
|
BlackHole Bob
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 17:25:00 -
[11]
Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/06/2006 17:28:17
I watched the whole Italy/USa game...
The first red card was deserved...
the rest were not...they were just good old fashioned football...
I can understand being alot tougher on rough play and to "play the ball" as football is meant to be played...we sure dont want to see USA basketball meets USA football when it comes to elbows and playing the player and not the ball..
but honestly...red carding in the Italy/USA game was nothing short of just a poor poor ref and also a poor poor game...it changed the whole momentum over and over and ruined what was a great game...
IMHO the ref that pulled all three of those red cards should not referee another game of any professional caliber....he also had a big issue a few years back and was questioned for his calls then BIG TIME....
Blackhole Bob
EvE IGB "in game" player guide |
Malthros Zenobia
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 19:01:00 -
[12]
I still think soccer would be alot more interesting if people kicked around a severed head like they used to.
|
Baldour Ngarr
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 20:01:00 -
[13]
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/06/2006 17:28:17
I watched the whole Italy/USa game...
The first red card was deserved...
the rest were not...they were just good old fashioned football...
It's exactly that sort of "old fashioned football" that FIFA is trying to eradicate. It's supposed to be a game of skill, not a game of clunk into the guy with the ball and try to rip his feet off.
Which is why all three red cards were absolutely deserved. Anyone arguing otherwise simply does not know the rules of the game.
________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Harris
|
Posted - 2006.06.18 22:30:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/06/2006 17:28:17
I watched the whole Italy/USa game...
The first red card was deserved...
the rest were not...they were just good old fashioned football...
It's exactly that sort of "old fashioned football" that FIFA is trying to eradicate. It's supposed to be a game of skill, not a game of clunk into the guy with the ball and try to rip his feet off.
Which is why all three red cards were absolutely deserved. Anyone arguing otherwise simply does not know the rules of the game.
This isnt the level of the 40's and 50's where you could get away with ramming a keeper into a goal and score just cos he was holding the ball at the time.
Most of the cards are for the player making a great tackle but the opponant falling over through lack of balance and not necessarily being fouled.
It is a contact sport. It is in the rules of the game that contact is allowed.
It is the difference between a game in the English Leagues and the continental leagues where play acting is more prevelant (not exclusively held though).
Hell, i used to play rugby in Germany and we were awared penalties against us for tackling aggresively... their football is played in much the same spirit.
If a player falls over, it doesn't necessarily mean that the tackler meant to take his ankles from him. 9/10 times it's because he lost his balance. Watch the game, you might learn something. Refs ruin the game if they take the aggresive side of the game away, it doesn't mean it will be more skilful.
|
Semblence
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 01:11:00 -
[15]
While we're at it, let's retrospectively give Bobby Moore the red card for the best tackle ever made - England vs Brazil 1970, (you know the one I mean, it also featured the best save ever by Gordon Banks, England's goalkeeper.)
It is a bit strange, FIFA change the ball and tweak the rules at the worst possible time. The World Cup should be a fair contest to find out who the world's best team is, and yet every time they throw a couple of new variables in, for the benefit of Addidas (the makers of the ball) and some ill-conceived idea of what will make the game "better".
More goals does not necessarily mean better, and certainly, banning the world's best players from playing (eg Zidane!) in what could turn out to be one-third of France's games nicely defeats the purpose, as does watching 10 knackered players vs 9 slightly more knackered players.
What happens when someone gets sent off? If they are winning or tied, the manager takes off an attacker and replaces with a defender. If they are losing, the game is effectively over as a contest. Either way, it defeats the purpose.
Send them off for diving, not the odd mis-timed challenge. And certainly do not give yellow cards to the Ghanaian guy who took the penalty too early or Zidane who bumped into a defender after the ball had gone dead.
|
Rthor
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 02:22:00 -
[16]
These cards do not make the game better.
I dont think that I have seen one card for diving or faking yet. So the message is dive and you will get the other team in trouble at no risk to you.
By the time players get to the final there will be a ton of star players missing suspended for 2nd yellow cards they get in the semi final games.
|
Mak'shar Karrde
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 02:28:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Mak''shar Karrde on 19/06/2006 02:31:05
Everyone wants the refs to ***** (bloody filter) down on diving but if just one of their players gets wrongly carded they will call foul.
Either call for the introduction of video replays or accept the game for what it is: An entertaining game moderated by people who can only see a situation once, not always at a good angle/distance. Sometimes decisions go against you, sometimes you benefit from them. The downside is that you would get a very stop/start game unless you set a limit on the times each team is allowed to 'appeal' in a given game. Nobody wants Football to turn into American football. The flow of the game is very important.
My prefered method to reduce diving would be for the officials to review a tape of game afterwards and give out match bans for blatent offences not caught during the game. It would not reduce the flow of the game and it would reduce diving so long as the penalty is harsh enough. I imagine the Chelsea BOD would start getting really frustrated if they kept losing Drogba every other game. (just an overexaggerated example (I'm not a fan, I admit it)). Obviously, whatever is decided, the result of the game must remain the same.
Having said that, I didn't have a lot of problems with the three sending offs in the USA v Italy game. If I recall, it's only happened 4 times in WC history. The ref may have been strict but he didn't push the players into sliding in with studs showing. I know it's hard for the losing side to accept but sometimes you just get the tough refs. It's a lot easier to see a foul than a dive (why do you think so many players do it).
You can lay some of the blame on Fifa for demanding that refs get tough on stud-showing-tackles but it's not a new thing. Wasn't it tackles from behind in the last World Cup that they tried to eradicate? They're not introducing new rules from nothing though, they're only encouraging them to enforce (albeit over-zelously) long standing rules. The players are partly to blame, especially if someone gets sent off for such a thing 'after' the USA/Italy game.
Although I still like the idea of allowing each team one appeal per game. It would only be allowed when the ball is not in play and would prompt the ref to contact someone in a position to verify his last decision. Give the job to the 5th official or something, It's not like he ever does anything anyway (I know he is a backup linesman). It certainly would have helped France today with their disallowed goal... Or maybe not, considering no French player seemed all that bothered (still, I liked seeing them draw, HAH!).
(Please forgive any basic factual errors In this post, it's gone 3am now. Can I also use the same reason to excuse any waffling? As for spelling errors, I don't apologise for those... I tried!).
|
Baldour Ngarr
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 04:46:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Harris
Most of the cards are for the player making a great tackle but the opponant falling over through lack of balance and not necessarily being fouled.
Like I said. Does not understand the rules of the game.
YOU CANNOT SLIDE IN. It's no longer allowed, and it results in an automatic red card. If you leave your feet, you're leaving the field of play.
You might not like it. I might not like it. But since neither you or I are FIFA, our opinions don't mean jack diddly squat. Sliding tackles ARE NOT ALLOWED.
________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Dimitri Chandler
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 05:34:00 -
[19]
The yellow card that Ronaldo got for timewasting by shooting when the whistle had gone was ridiculous, with 23000 idiots in the crowd all blowing whistles.
The refs are completely over the top this year. Its spoiling the game.
Exiles recruiting
Fluffled -Suvetar |
Jon Hawkes
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 07:37:00 -
[20]
The sooner they make it an instant yellow card for appealing to the referee to book an opposing player, the happier I'll be. There's no excuse for it, it's petty and unsporting, and frankly embarrassing to watch! 
|
Doonwong
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 08:01:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Harris
Most of the cards are for the player making a great tackle but the opponant falling over through lack of balance and not necessarily being fouled.
Like I said. Does not understand the rules of the game.
YOU CANNOT SLIDE IN. It's no longer allowed, and it results in an automatic red card. If you leave your feet, you're leaving the field of play.
You might not like it. I might not like it. But since neither you or I are FIFA, our opinions don't mean jack diddly squat. Sliding tackles ARE NOT ALLOWED.
Actually I think you'll find that sliding tackles are allowed as long you take the ball and not the player, try to get your facts straight before posting absolute nonsense. If you can find anywhere in the rule book that outlaws a sliding tackle I'll eat my own shoes.
|
Scots Crusader
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 08:27:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Rthor
And also it looks like you cant slide tackle any more either because you dont know what a ref might do.
Well, that's a start. In an ideal world, you can't slide tackle because you DO know what a ref will do - automatically send you off.
If we want more goals, we ought to eliminate all the plays that stop goals, like dangerous sliding tackles, shirt pulling, barging off the ball and so on. At least FIFA are making a start.
Eliminate all the players that stop goals!!!!! That pretty much describes the goalkeepers!!! FIFA are not making a start, they are making an end. They are eliminating ALL SLIDING TACkLES the way I see it, not just the dangerous ones.
I love watching a good attacking team(Brasil, Portugal etc) but I also love watching a good hard physical battle to. If we go the way FIFA(and you) seem to want, Brasil will win every tournament as no one will be allowed to tackle them. Players have become soft, because the football ruling bodies are promoting that.
-----------------------------------------------
O wad some power, the giftie gie us,
To see oursels as ithers see us!
|
|
Tuxford
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 09:09:00 -
[23]
I'm so glad I'm not balancing football.
_______________ |
|
Sarmaul
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 09:11:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Sarmaul on 19/06/2006 09:10:54
gah dbl
Make Khanid Useful! |
Sarmaul
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 09:11:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Tuxford
I'm so glad I'm not balancing football.
Make Khanid Useful! |
NTRabbit
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 09:33:00 -
[26]
The reffing in the Brazil v Australia game heavily favoured the Brazilians, the German ref essentially outlawed anything remotely physical and gave out fouls for looking at the player wrong. He also ended the game with 2 minutes of stoppage time left to play, to complete the picture of "favouritism for the favourites"
--------
|
|
Tuxford
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 09:36:00 -
[27]
Originally by: NTRabbit
The reffing in the Brazil v Australia game heavily favoured the Brazilians, the German ref essentially outlawed anything remotely physical and gave out fouls for looking at the player wrong. He also ended the game with 2 minutes of stoppage time left to play, to complete the picture of "favouritism for the favourites"
Well thats the thing, I didn't really mind those cards in Italy vs. USA since they were all deserved, but the refs seem intent on slowing down the game for some reason.
_______________ |
|
Harris
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 09:36:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Harris
Most of the cards are for the player making a great tackle but the opponant falling over through lack of balance and not necessarily being fouled.
Like I said. Does not understand the rules of the game.
YOU CANNOT SLIDE IN. It's no longer allowed, and it results in an automatic red card. If you leave your feet, you're leaving the field of play.
You might not like it. I might not like it. But since neither you or I are FIFA, our opinions don't mean jack diddly squat. Sliding tackles ARE NOT ALLOWED.
Like I said, watch the game, you might learn something.
Rules of the game.
Just in case you miss it.
Quote:
Sending-off offences
A player is sent off and shown the red card if he commits any of the following seven offences:
1. is guilty of serious foul play
2. is guilty of violent conduct
3. spits at an opponent or any other person
4. denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
5. denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the playerÆs goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
6. uses offensive or insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
7. receives a second caution in the same match
So no, sliding tackles do not constitute a red card offence.
Quote:
Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following six offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
* kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
* trips or attempts to trip an opponent
* jumps at an opponent
* charges an opponent
* strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
* pushes an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following four offences:
* tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball
* holds an opponent
* spits at an opponent
* handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
It is what is interpreted as any of the above that is what is changing/was changed for the world cup in particular. You can make a clean tackle sliding in, if you take the ball for example. (It has happend, i've seen it. quel surprise) At the moment, if the player falls over your legs then it is getting interpreted as a foul by some referees. But not all of them. Which backs up the view that it is the interpretation that is the problem.
Learn the rules.
Learn to interpet them properly.
Opinions dont mean squat unless backed up by fact.
|
Harris
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 09:43:00 -
[29]
Originally by: NTRabbit
The reffing in the Brazil v Australia game heavily favoured the Brazilians, the German ref essentially outlawed anything remotely physical and gave out fouls for looking at the player wrong. He also ended the game with 2 minutes of stoppage time left to play, to complete the picture of "favouritism for the favourites"
Used to play in a team when we had a game which was abandoned because, the ref literally lost it and walked off. His last act was to book a player for 'looking at him aggresively'
It was the wrong player that he wrote down anyway but he picked up the ball and walked off saying 'I've had enough, i get no respect'.
Bless him the guy was awful. Both teams were bemused.
|
Mather Maelstrom
|
Posted - 2006.06.19 09:52:00 -
[30]
Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 19/06/2006 09:54:51
Both Italy and America should be a bit ashamed for the amount of red & yellow cards given during that game. Every card given during that match is in my opinion correct.
The tackle made by the USA has by rules correctly given a red card. Anything less then a red card would have been a wrong decision.
We are not watching American football. If there would be more violence on the field I wouldnÆt be watching football anymore. This might explain why the red card was given:
Only watch if you can take a few broken bones and some violence on the field.
click pic nasty injury due to a tackle from behind
click2 a lot of random violent acts on teh field with several nasty tackles
click3
click4
That is why I am happy refs hand out a lot of cards and in fact there were some tackles during other matches that should have gotten a card and even one that should have been given a red card (same tackle as the USA one, but only given a yellow card).
//No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\\ |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |