But we people who choose to focus on things other than destructio (and keep Eve running in the process) have no way to fight back!

If you were an automobile manufacturer IRL would you sell your cars to a guy who has a record of using those cars to nudge lorries off the road, or cause horrific traffic accidents on purpose?

Oh, and no, the market will never have any limitations on it that reduces its efficiency for the simple reason that this would be horribly bad for the market. If you absolutely have to control who transacts with you, the game already has that functionality. All it means is that you completely remove your ability to sell in bulk and/or at a high margin, though.

Yes you do. And even if you didn't, why would you want to?

Yes. Pretty much all of them do, because it's not really in their interest not to, nor is it their business to police those things.

Oh, and no, the market will never have any limitations on it that reduces its efficiency for the simple reason that this would be horribly bad for the market. If you absolutely have to control who transacts with you, the game already has that functionality. All it means is that you completely remove your ability to sell in bulk and/or at a high margin, though.

But we people who choose to focus on things other than destructio (and keep Eve running in the process) have no way to fight back! Not just that, but it's worse: those doing productive things are actively helping the destroyers by providing materials, ships, ammo, and fuel! This is terrible!

Gallente blaster boat producers are probably making a killing off these ganks, and without aforementioned destruction, EvE stops running; they are giving lots of people jobs and content on the industrial side. You are always in competition with everyone else - why not sell a high volume product which you can get other people to use shutting down your potential competition? Seems like a great business opportunity. Selling goods with a short shelf life ensures business stays good too.

Also neutral alts would make implementing this impossible. If you were seriously hell-bent and wanted to use market anonymity to your advantage, why not sell catalysts a little bit cheaper than you should, wait to see who buys them in bulk, and then gank the freighter that ends up moving them to their intended party-zone? Step up your game.

The recent deluge of freighter ganking and other hisec lawlessness is a travesty. Yeah I get it, it's Eve you can do what you want, sandbox, HTFU, etc etc etc.

Keep It Simple: set your contact standings. Everyone who is red will not be able to buy things from you on the market or through contracts
Also everyone who has war declared on your corp will not be able to buy things from you on the market or through contracts.

PvPers will have to choose carefully who they gonna shoot, because there may be more consequences than just tears
Not going to be a popular idea, thus CCP is probably not going to do it, and additionally any ideas like this will be shot down.
But it sure is interesting, hypothetically speaking :P"

So implementing this idea would not affect me one little bit, even if someone wanted to.

Morals.

Are you talking about contracts? Because Public contracts cannot be limited by sec status.

They could also use this change if it hurts the market's "efficiency" too much (how does processing fewer orders hurt efficiency?).

Congratulations, you are playing patch-proof correctly.

So all the talk about Eve having non-violent PvP in the market and stuff is smoke and mirrors? I am aware enabling socipoaths is profitable but I'm asking to limit profits in order to not enable crime. Eve would only "stop running" (under your definition) if everyone jumped on board and limted their transactions. They won't, because it's profitable not to.

Anyway must the solution always be "shoot it"? It's a sandbox, shouldn't there be more options than violence all the time?

There are. You just have to choose to use them. Your choice not to do so isn't sufficient reason to break the engine that makes the game turn around.

As is/will everyone. This idea doesn't provide a non-violent solution to what you are trying to do.

I'm all for more diversity and if PvE players have more tools that they feel comfortable using in order to "fight back", then great.

You just have to realise though, that many players within Corps/Alliances like CODE., The Marmite Collective, etc. already use their own industry/hauling alts.

Solutions can be used by anyone, even non-violent ones.

You already have violent solutions to your perceived problem. Opening up other non-violent means to fight back will also open up other fronts on which people can also fight against you.

You already have violent solutions to your perceived problem. Opening up other non-violent means to fight back will also open up other fronts on which people can also fight against you.

When the only solutions to an economic problem are "shoot the *******" and "give up and go back to trading in shiny pebbles and using an abacus" there is a need for a new solution. Eve being what it is, that needs to involve a change to mechanics.

No. Just build your own. No mechanics need to be changed in the process, and doing so would just break things and kill one of the key points of the market.

All the tools you need are there. If you can't be arsed to build it, then that's just another check-box on the list of things that aren't sufficient reason to break a core mechanic, right alongside the other ones you've offered so far.

Scipio ...

It's Petrus.


He's trolling ...

Good. I'm proposing a new way to play, not a "make everything easy-mode" button.

The recent deluge of freighter ganking and other hisec lawlessness is a travesty. Yeah I get it, it's Eve you can do what you want, sandbox, HTFU, etc etc etc.

But we people who choose to focus on things other than destructio (and keep Eve running in the process) have no way to fight back! Not just that, but it's worse: those doing productive things are actively helping the destroyers by providing materials, ships, ammo, and fuel! This is terrible!

If you were an automobile manufacturer IRL would you sell your cars to a guy who has a record of using those cars to nudge lorries off the road, or cause horrific traffic accidents on purpose? NO! Why can we not do the same thing?

CCP this is an enemy that only fights on his terms and has the objective of ruining the game. We want to advance and contribute to the game. Give us market pirate blacklisting, or sec status limits on orders, so we can fight them on our terms! More content for everyone and Eve grows.