I never said it was a good idea, just an appealing one

Wow the Daily Mail (or US equivalent) brigade are really out in force this week

Didn't realise there were so many hurt feelies out there

I hope someone is taking appropriate credit for these precious tearlettes

The recent deluge of freighter ganking and other hisec lawlessness is a travesty. Yeah I get it, it's Eve you can do what you want, sandbox, HTFU, etc etc etc.

But we people who choose to focus on things other than destructio (and keep Eve running in the process) have no way to fight back! Not just that, but it's worse: those doing productive things are actively helping the destroyers by providing materials, ships, ammo, and fuel! This is terrible!

If you were an automobile manufacturer IRL would you sell your cars to a guy who has a record of using those cars to nudge lorries off the road, or cause horrific traffic accidents on purpose? NO! Why can we not do the same thing?

CCP this is an enemy that only fights on his terms and has the objective of ruining the game. We want to advance and contribute to the game. Give us market pirate blacklisting, or sec status limits on orders, so we can fight them on our terms! More content for everyone and Eve grows.

same as every other person who has suggested this terrible idea before him.

Because he's doing it wrong.

Every new player starts off with a 'Highsec Trade Permit'.

Permit is necessary to buy, station trade, accept contracts and access corp hangars in highsec.

Permit is revoked if sec status drops below -2.0.


Probably a terrible idea, but it would work.

What's the point? People use alts. It changes nothing to the better.

Is an idea bad just beacuse it doesn't benefit a specific group of people?

It wouldn't matter whose alt it is. Use a character for ganking --> sec status decreases --> that character couldn't get equipment in highsec stations.


Or an alternative, very simple version: station lockout based on sec status.

Ditch NPC Police (a bad mechanic imo), but revoke highsec station docking privileges altogether, based on sec status.

Gankers would have to stage at highsec POS, which makes sense since they're 'naughty pirates'. And POS are attackable.

Increase the challenge for gankers, give a real 'fight back' opportunity to white knights, if they're up to it.

If necessary, tweak CONCORD response times to make up for the net impact on ganks of ditching NPC Police + station lockouts.

An idea is bad when it doesn't work as intended, hurts the people it's supposed to help and helps the people it's supposed to hurt (among other things).

Your idea wouldn't affect me at all, in fact if there were people who would only sell to people with (for example) 5.0 sec status, it would actually benefit me greatly as I have 8 characters at or near that now (of the other 4 only one is in the negative because of shooting at non-FW targets while in FW).

But just because something benefits an individual, that doesn't make it in any way a good idea for the 'community' ('game' in this case). An idea is a good one when it does what it's supposed to do, has limited negative and unintended consequences, and benefits the most people in the community in question.

Your idea does not of that. You can sink into that place where 'bright idea' people go to mentally hide (when other people demonstrate to them that they really aren't that smart and their idea isn't just horrible, it would be horrible for the person making the idea i the 1st place), but that doesn't make the idea we're talking about any less horrible.

EVE would have to have a strict ban on alts, contracts, and in station direct trading (hell, you'd even have to some how stop people from jet-canning stuff too lest you create a real , in space, 'black market' lol) enforced by game mechanics for your idea to even begin to have even the slightest merit.

What?

There have been several examples posted of why the idea isn't useful.

They all come back to - it will have no practical affect on anything. Nothing will change and it won't achieve one iota of difference.

It's no better than a Carebear throwing ISK away by placing a bounty on someone and thinking that makes a difference.

This is an idea doomed to the same level of usefulness. It will only annoy new players who don't have the knowledge or experience to understand that's it's a compliment, not a road block.

Agree, obviously.

What about station lockout based on sec status? Coupled with elimination of NPC Police.

Outlaws could roam freely in highsec, but would need to base in lowsec or set up a POS.

Could be an interesting way to shake up boring highsec mechanics.

Agree, obviously.

What about station lockout based on sec status? Coupled with elimination of NPC Police.

Outlaws could roam freely in highsec, but would need to base in lowsec or set up a POS.

Could be an interesting way to shake up boring highsec mechanics.

The recent deluge of freighter ganking and other hisec lawlessness is a travesty. Yeah I get it, it's Eve you can do what you want, sandbox, HTFU, etc etc etc.

But we people who choose to focus on things other than destructio (and keep Eve running in the process) have no way to fight back! Not just that, but it's worse: those doing productive things are actively helping the destroyers by providing materials, ships, ammo, and fuel! This is terrible!

If you were an automobile manufacturer IRL would you sell your cars to a guy who has a record of using those cars to nudge lorries off the road, or cause horrific traffic accidents on purpose? NO! Why can we not do the same thing?

CCP this is an enemy that only fights on his terms and has the objective of ruining the game. We want to advance and contribute to the game. Give us market pirate blacklisting, or sec status limits on orders, so we can fight them on our terms! More content for everyone and Eve grows.

Read my post above yours.

Stealth nerf ganking

Fighter Jets GuitarSolo.

I support this idea.

The less you sell to those who gank you, the more I sell to those who gank you.

So why would a manufacturer want to lock themselves out of FW/lowsec market and lose all of that isk flow?

But we people who choose to focus on things other than destructio (and keep Eve running in the process) have no way to fight back!

Hiding behind alts is the single biggest reason to completely lock all the gankbears out of highsec stations.

We've got -10 security pirates taking down fully tanked ships , and far from lowec systems, all made possible by their high securiy alts doing the prep work and the complete safety of stations. You've got to be a trully risk averse carebear to support this type of system.

~~But orca alts just circumvent that.~~

See? That stupid alt argument can be used to argue against a lot of changes that would make the game better.

Yes they do. Still don't understand why forming a fleet with people doesn't set everyones security to that of the lowest security member. I realize big bad pirates want their warm milk and safetly blanket but lets be real here.

Whoever designed Crimewatch needs to take it beyond the scribbles on the back of a napkin stage and put some real coding behind it.

I can actually see this being a cool idea in an EVE without alts. It might cause the creation of true pirate hubs. And everyone wants seedy pirate trade hubs.