Some ideas I had in my years of min-maxing incursions

Problem: Guns being the predominant weapon system, Missiles and drones being inferior as a main weapon system.
Suggestion for solution: Give shansha tracking/optimal range disruption, and having it spread over a majority of the human fleet.

The only problem with incursions currently is the amount of raw isk given out is roughly a 1:1 in terms of conversions. So youll get 10m raw isk for every 10k lp. This is completely different from every other isk/lp source, even in nullsec missions you only get a max of 4-5m for every 10-15k lp.

I would rather see the amount of raw isk given for incursions reduced and the lp given increased. This wouldn't ultimately change the payout of the incursion, but it would encourage people to actually finish the incursion as well as not get quite so much of their income out of raw isk.

Solution: Remove one pocket in the middle and cut the amount of sniper targets in the last pocket in halve. In D-Inc we managed to bring the times down to 12 minutes per NCN, under 10 for the others(what is record for any channel I ever flown in),

Problem: Multiple Mom's killed in a single day

Potential Solution: A) decreased payout for each sequential mom killed in betweeen a single given downtime. So like for example mom a pays 50 mil mom b killed that same day pays 40 mil. etc etc,

Not quite. Helix has an NCN record of 11:46, and I've seen you in our fleets, but the ABC comp we run is unique to my knowledge.

A lot of carebears in this thread it seems. Most of the suggested changes here while probably a net benefit won't make a huge difference. PvE incursions will still be boring grinds.

There is a huge opportunity to create great PvP content with incursions. Low/null as well as smaller gang HS contests. Seems the majority of the posters here only care about ISK grinding and how to make that slightly more efficient though.

Due to people not wanting to run NCN sites and the assault system eventually filling up and only having NCN sites CCP has lowered the chances of an NCN spawning as well as made it impossible for the system to only have NCNs. At MOST the system will only ever be half NCN sites.

I was chatting in back channels and this came up in the conversation. I asked for permission to let you know



They do listen! This may not be the 'fix' some of you were asking for but it mean no more NCN walls.

Great stuff here, so far, thank you. Still gathering my document. Still trying to get some time in fleets. But occasionally I toss some small things up the ladder to CCP to see how they react.

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I was chatting in back channels and this came up in the conversation. I asked for permission to let you know



They do listen! This may not be the 'fix' some of you were asking for but it mean no more NCN walls.

Great stuff here, so far, thank you. Still gathering my document. Still trying to get some time in fleets. But occasionally I toss some small things up the ladder to CCP to see how they react.

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while potentially good, it doesn't fix the site only a short term assault fix. Now there is no reason to ever do an NCN site. Might as well have just deleted them

Problem: Only three pirate hulls and two T2 logi hulls are ever used in incursion fleets.
Solution: More sites with hull size gate restrictions.

I was chatting in back channels and this came up in the conversation. I asked for permission to let you know



They do listen! This may not be the 'fix' some of you were asking for but it mean no more NCN walls.

Great stuff here, so far, thank you. Still gathering my document. Still trying to get some time in fleets. But occasionally I toss some small things up the ladder to CCP to see how they react.

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Or it could spawn a new community that is NCN only, similar to the Legion fleets that cleaned up the NCO's in VG systems a couple years ago.

Built and designed for only one thing, EVE has always rewarded the specialist and punished the generalist, this may be an opportunity to Specialize.

Theres several things that could improve or destroy Incursions, some really good ideas presented, but the complaining about NCN's in Assault systems is crap..... site requires a certain fleet composition, so provide the ships required and off you go. It is the choice of many communities to fly the fleet comps that they do and not make the NCN a viable site... Not an issue with the site. Certain fleet types excel at certain sites and not so well at others.

Heres an Idea.... If were going to Nerf the NCN to accomodate certain fleets, then maybe there should be a big easy button in TCRC's that automatically loads the Mtacs for me because I cant be bothered to put a tractor beam on my ship!

Heres an Idea.... If were going to Nerf the NCN to accomodate certain fleets, then maybe there should be a big easy button in TCRC's that automatically loads the Mtacs for me because I cant be bothered to put a tractor beam on my ship!

You can refit your ship in space with a mobile depot. You have to haul around a 2nd ship, and dock, to realistically reship.

There isn't even a need to refit in space, whatever ship from the ranged group fit his utility high with a tractor permanently and you are good to go. A Mach will do it sole. If you have a really not shiny fleet, get 2 people to play yoyo with 2 cans.

Except a bunch of ships can do MTAC duty without affecting negatively their presence for other stuff. Being in a T3/BC will totally impact your effectiveness for the rest of the site/other sites.

Currently over 80% of the Runners I know take weeks off at a time and go into low sec or Nul sec and exclusively engage in PVP. The part that pisses most people off is when they are engaging in PVP they are organized, well equipped, competently commanded and not worried about losing their 100mil to 1 billion ISK ships. All of this is because they run Incursions, you want PVP go where the PVP is, adding the risk of inadvertent PVP will only result in no viable targets and, no ISK for the guys that actually fulfil your PVP dream.