oh noes afk cloaky camping is now hitting incursions :(

what must we do?

Also Gip have been doing lowsec incursions for a long time now.

Curious if you caught the ships in site or on the gate? As this alone is a potential suitable counter.
The problem is not the mechanic(s) involved, it's that people don't fully understand and/or utilise them.



There is nothing actually stopping you. It's not difficult to cyno into a system near the incursion and find a free moon to pos up in. Sure there will be risk and the locals will probably come to try kill you, either the risk/effort is worth the reward for you or not.


well given how secure you're first attempt at the cfc incursion channel was when there was openly TRI and other groups with characters there I'm not at all surprised that even TEST managed to have someone there

Problem: Highsec incursions are some fo the best ISK generators in the game, yet are completely risk free.

Suggestion for solution: Start by giving them the same gate rats as null/lowsec. Then, drop the security status of the incursion constelations, or just remove concord from them.

Problem: Highsec incursions are some fo the best ISK generators in the game, yet are completely risk free.

Suggestion for solution: Start by giving them the same gate rats as null/lowsec. Then, drop the security status of the incursion constelations, or just remove concord from them.

This is assuming that everyone carries a set of ships with them...

What if we asked for a new ship that could carry say a BS and a cruiser or two. Incursion level carrier that works in hisec.

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Well a Orca already does this, however another hull that is able to carry rigged BS(at least 2) in a ship maintenance bay at a bit faster speed would be nice for people doing logistics for bigger corps/alliances and people that have to relocate often(like people flying Incs). So basically like a Orca with a bigger ship maintenance array, but no ore bay/corp hangar and only like 5k cargo to stuff in some spare mods, drones, cap boosters and ammo.

Basically the same utility as you have for low/0.0 with carrier but for conventional gate travel.

As much as I would love to see this I worry about dropping an Incursion ship in a slow moving target, currently the Orca can carry both Ore and ships so they are viewed as possible targets of opportunity, a specificly designed ship to carry your 1 billion ISK Incursion rigged BS hull, and quite possibly (Most likely) your 3 to 10 billion in modules would be like drawing moths to the flame, or gankers to the biggest pi+¦ata.

Well not every BS I have in the focus is that expensive, I tend to move a lot of T1 BS, T1 Logis, faction Cruisers or BCs for the loan out system to and would probably never use it for my more expensive BS. I am very sure ships form the ship maintenance bay can't drop on ship destruction and the modules on them are not shown with a cargo scanner, what means that you could still destroy this kind of ship transporters, but it wouldn't provide ISK in the end(if you don't have very expensive mods in the normal cargo).

There also also option to move the expensive mods separately in a different ship(like a blockade runner), like some people do it.

What if we asked for a new ship that could carry say a BS and a cruiser or two. Incursion level carrier that works in hisec.

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yes

Even though I worry about the ganker's exposure to massive income and how that would affect them psychologically, perhaps a simple solution would be a relatively expensive RIg that increases the Ship Maintenance bay while reducing Ore Hold, Cargo and/or Fleet hangar. then they don't need to build a whole new ship just allow those that want a ship transport to Rig the orca as such.

Problem: High-sec incursions have a disgusting risk/reward ratio, killing efficiency of many aspects of the game (eg, WHs)
Solution: Lower the isk or increase the risk.

Problem: Incursions cause too much inflation by straight-rewarding ISK
Solution: Rewards should be items that other players buy, so money doesn't just "poof" into existence.

I expect the OP will be mainly looking for positive feedback from people interested in incursions, and probably ignoring the usual, nerf them there hs incursions isks, no concord response type remarks.

50 Billion Isk in ships that I know of has been lost in incursions to PvP in the last two days. Sorry if that isn't enough PvP risk for you. (& that assumes I know of all the ships lost lately)

Turns out ~40bil was actually lost to the rats, another ~30bil to gank activities and another 8 or so billion isk was lost to concord. While incursion may be widely considered safe they are certainly not idiot proof

Thanks guys, this is great, so far.

Oh as for incurison income being out of balance>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQ&list=PLldrBIEnJ5hMIXwk_e8-VZb0EldJqXmg_&index=21 time mark 12:00

As for the rest, duly noted and thank you for keeping it civil, so far

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Pretty sure he's saying incursions are not a problem as an ISK faucet, not saying anything about ISK/h balance.

What infuriates me is that you earn equal or more ISK/h in your risk-free (ignoring 20b officer gankbaits) highsec farm than I do in a C3 wormhole (I earn 100m/h) with arguably the most risk in Eve.
"But we have to move around and stuff so it's not really that good ISK/h"
Yeah? So do I! I have to crash wormholes or wait them out when there's hostiles or no sites.

Now, I'm not saying CCP should remove CONCORD or anything crazy like that, but they should take a look at risk\reward.
It's not uncommon for me to hear my lowsec and wormhole friends (I don't have any null friends, but I can only assume it's the same there) say they'll log on their incursion alt. Do you honestly think risk\reward is balanced when people from wormhole and lowsec go to highsec to earn ISK?

We have close to 100 Accounts being used to support a 40 man fleet, if you used the same number in a WH would it feel relatively safe?

The effort involved to run Incursions is considerably more than the effort required to run a WH OP, and far more expensive.

Alts turn W-space from suicidal to just very dangerous.
You're saying it takes more effort to run incursions than to maintain a POS with no reliable highsec access and PVE with vulnerable and often very expensive ships with no local or CONCORD to protect you?