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Scoundrelus	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:16:00 - [31] Everyone has been so focused on whining that nobody actually realizes that you can't stop these ISK sales. They will happen whether you like it or not. So don't complain just adapt. I need a sig
Khatred	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:18:00 - [32] I see lots of people buying and selling GTC's and the same few complaining about it. So much about "a majority of players complaining". RTM it'a trend, it's growing and I rather see CCP cashing in some more $$ wich results in happier devs wich leads to more enhancements to the game rather than some dude who controls 300 farmers. As for cheating? Hmmm, I should ask CCP to ban some of my friends then since I helped them with isk and assets. And most of the times I buy the beers too _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
HailGail	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:21:00 - [33] Edited by: HailGail on 20/06/2006 00:24:25 Originally by: Abyss Jack Edited by: Abyss Jack on 20/06/2006 00:18:16 it's the choice of the players if the want to trade gtc's for isk not your tbh. Im also a gtc buyer, they are not many people who are crying about this way so it can't be that wrong... imao ccp = happy seller = happy buyer = happy What you dont see is all the people who will stay clear of EVE if they find out about this, nobody in their right mind will want to start a game like EVE, a game ran by a company that endorses cheating so long as they profit from it, its no better than some of those asian mmorpgs... EVE is already a niche market, it only attracts a certain type of player as it is, now its just being narrowed down that much further. There are very few gamers who will start a game where cheating is allowed if you pay for it.
HailGail	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Scoundrelus Everyone has been so focused on whining that nobody actually realizes that you can't stop these ISK sales. They will happen whether you like it or not. So don't complain just adapt. There are two kinds of mmorpg, the kind that is completely against all kind of real currency being used to buy your way through game, and the kind that endorse and seek to profit from it, the latter mmorpg are never popular among gamers for that very reason.
Abyss Jack	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:29:00 - [35] tell me one person who ran from eve because of this? pls just one? you should see the brilliant idea of gtc selling, instead of harrassing it. i don't know how many mmo's you played or just know, but selling ingame money for reallife money is a problem of all mmo's -and you'll never be able to stop that-. So the only way is to make ebay less worth than gtc selling. That makes small farmerbots cry 4give my bad english ------------------------------
Yuu Sato	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:35:00 - [36] Edited by: Yuu Sato on 20/06/2006 00:35:50 Wow smart guy lol. He can make few dollars profit from each game-time card he sold. So if he sell 10 game-time cards, he can probably make $30 profit.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:44:00 - [37] to be honest if ppl have extra money to blow on virtual items them let em do it if they get banned their own tough luck
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:50:00 - [38] With buying GTC's and selling them for ISk you can build up a huge pile of isk. Getting rich ingame for no effort at all using real world cash is so wrong. How many t2 blueprints been bought with isk gained from GTC sales? There is always a price people are willing to sell at, and when the pile of isk is basicaly endless. You can gather a lot of prints in the hand of a few that way, not just t2 prints. How about a complete set of capital prints? Something that usally would take a lot of effort ingame. Nice way to disturb the ingame economics. Imho, GTC sellers are worse than ingame farmers and macro miners, at least that involve a tiny bit of effort, both help screw up the economics though. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Abyss Jack	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:52:00 - [39] Edited by: Abyss Jack on 20/06/2006 00:53:41 Originally by: Yuu Sato Edited by: Yuu Sato on 20/06/2006 00:35:50 Wow smart guy lol. He can make few dollars profit from each game-time card he sold. So if he sell 10 game-time cards, he can probably make $30 profit. investing around 380 dollar for 30$? and risk parma ban for ebay'ing (that means all iskis gone)? have fun... ------------------------------
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:52:00 - [40] Edited by: LWMaverick on 20/06/2006 00:53:58 Originally by: Cell Satimo Edited by: Cell Satimo on 19/06/2006 18:17:53 GTC is great. - CCP Get a bite of the RL Trade. - ISK Rich, $ poor people can continue to play. - The most boring activities (Ice Mining and Low mineral mining) is outsourced to 3rd world countries, who lets face it, need the money. - $Rich/ISK poor people don't get any power in EvE anyway, because ISK won't get you success in EvE, just a loong reserve till you lose it all. - It saved me >$800 on Account subscriptions in 2006, which basically gets me a free EON subscription and free Card Game. Long live GTC! Edit: .. On a seperate Sell order forums and pls. make the game codes exchangable for credit on the Eve-Store directly. Amen GTC's is the reason why im still ingame, so nerf gtc's = nerf me Poverty
Scary Noises	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:00:00 - [41] What ever happened to seperating ingame currency from real ones? When CCP sanctioned the mass trade of ISK for GTCs they made their ingame currency have a very real value. I've seen numerous people who flat-out bought themselves their character and their ISK. Is this really the kind of environment people want?
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:04:00 - [42] Why is this such an issue FFS? If you think its some sort of grave injustice that someones providing a service and making some money from it, You start providing the service cheaper... and as your banging on about, provide it for free, so as not to bias your argument. oh, Wait... Now it becomes your problem, because your either not willing, or can't. This has been going on for months... I certainly havent seen people flying about in GTC funded titans and motherships, have you? If I were inclined do this, I would... but I vaule my money (and dont think its worth any amount of isk)so I dont. I just carry on grinding like everyone else. We've taken the first and only step to getting over it... why don't you? ___________ Dont mind me, I'm Forum-Whoring cause I dont have anything better to do with my life...
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Scary Noises What ever happened to seperating ingame currency from real ones? When CCP sanctioned the mass trade of ISK for GTCs they made their ingame currency have a very real value. I've seen numerous people who flat-out bought themselves their character and their ISK. Is this really the kind of environment people want? Isk had real-money value long before GTC sales were sanctioned... As soon as EVE went live, isk had real-money value, and your naive to think otherwise. ___________ Dont mind me, I'm Forum-Whoring cause I dont have anything better to do with my life...
Taketa De	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:08:00 - [44] Dealing in GTCs is not like buying ISK for € directly in 2 important points: 1. CCP takes all the profit 2. It's affected by supply and demand and another important point is that no ISK are created out of nowhere with this, so it doesn't affect inflation. Anyway, when first I heard about it I was pretty ok with, later on I was more against GTC sales. Then recently I read a post by Maya Rkell where he states that he has been following the ISK/$ conversion rates for a long time and that the GTC decision has crashed prices on this. If that is true (and I have no reason to belive it's not), then I'm all for keeping it. Especially combined with reading how many people could otherwise not play it seems that the postives outweigh the possible negatives. Not that I have seen any negatives so far, mostly it has consisted out of people against it out of principle (which I can respect) or people afraid of what they think it might cause with no evidence to back it up (which I can't). --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
HailGail	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Taketa De Dealing in GTCs is not like buying ISK for Ç directly in 2 important points: 1. CCP takes all the profit 2. It's affected by supply and demand and another important point is that no ISK are created out of nowhere with this, so it doesn't affect inflation. Anyway, when first I heard about it I was pretty ok with, later on I was more against GTC sales. Then recently I read a post by Maya Rkell where he states that he has been following the ISK/$ conversion rates for a long time and that the GTC decision has crashed prices on this. If that is true (and I have no reason to belive it's not), then I'm all for keeping it. Especially combined with reading how many people could otherwise not play it seems that the postives outweigh the possible negatives. Not that I have seen any negatives so far, mostly it has consisted out of people against it out of principle (which I can respect) or people afraid of what they think it might cause with no evidence to back it up (which I can't). So gametime cards for isk is effected by supply and demand, but isk for real money directly isnt? What is it effected by then, boobies? So the only real important point here is as you said, CCP take all the profit, there we have it, agreed on yet again, Your allowed to cheat at EVE as long as ccp profits from it.
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:16:00 - [46] Originally by: HailGail So gametime cards for isk is effected by supply and demand, but isk for real money directly isnt? What is it effected by then, boobies? That would explain why ISK sales are so popular I guess... ___________ Dont mind me, I'm Forum-Whoring cause I dont have anything better to do with my life...
Alessandra Grey	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:22:00 - [47] Edited by: Alessandra Grey on 20/06/2006 01:23:00 I'm so sick of seeing these. Nothing but airless opinion. "Blah blah blah GTC for ISK is cheating" "blah blah blah it's ruining the in-game economy" "blah blah blah its not fair cause i cant afford to buy GTC to sell for ISK so i have to make mine the old fashioned way so CCP must stop the practice!" Heres a thought: Stop whining, giving useless opinions backed by nothing except hot air and give us some facts. For example: -CCP did their homework on the issue when deciding whether or not to let it happen and decided that the benefit to players who had no other means of supporting an account was well worth it. -By pure logic, with 200k subscriptions to eve, even if 20k of them are buying isk with GTC sales, the overall inflation on the market spread out over 5000 systems would be very very minute. T2 BPO rarity and people's stinginess has a much bigger effect. So get the facts people. Stop speculating and telling us why its unfair to YOU and make a reasonable argument as to why its unfair to EVERYONE backed up by fact and maybe something might someday get done about it. Otherwise, its going to be viewed as just another whine thread and get tossed in the pile. _______________________
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:26:00 - [48] If you don't like people selling GTC then quit. I bet you won't. I need a sig
Kldraina	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:31:00 - [49] I think the biggest difference between ebay and gtc sales, is that with ebay, people will play the game to make cash, while with GTC, people only play the game for fun. Not allowing isk for cash helps eliminate isk farming, which I expect is probably the most economically destructive part of allowing isk sales.
Da Death	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:38:00 - [50] GTC 4tw!~ without it I would have to pay $90 every month which I don't have to anymore. Dont be envy of others having more $$$ then you Absolution - Curse - Pilgrim - T2 Laser Crystals - T2 Drones
Kamal Drax	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:48:00 - [51] Originally by: SonShadowCat Originally by: Cell Satimo Edited by: Cell Satimo on 19/06/2006 18:17:53 GTC is great. - CCP Get a bite of the RL Trade. - ISK Rich, $ poor people can continue to play. - The most boring activities (Ice Mining and Low mineral mining) is outsourced to 3rd world countries, who lets face it, need the money. - $Rich/ISK poor people don't get any power in EvE anyway, because ISK won't get you success in EvE, just a loong reserve till you lose it all. - It saved me >$800 on Account subscriptions in 2006, which basically gets me a free EON subscription and free Card Game. Long live GTC! Edit: .. On a seperate Sell order forums and pls. make the game codes exchangable for credit on the Eve-Store directly. Except the fact that 3rd world countries don't get the money, the owners of the operation though. Farmers get crap pay while the boss builds his new home. Then the farmers should find better paying work.
BabeLove	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:52:00 - [52] Originally by: HailGail Edited by: HailGail on 20/06/2006 00:24:25 Originally by: Abyss Jack Edited by: Abyss Jack on 20/06/2006 00:18:16 it's the choice of the players if the want to trade gtc's for isk not your tbh. Im also a gtc buyer, they are not many people who are crying about this way so it can't be that wrong... imao ccp = happy seller = happy buyer = happy What you dont see is all the people who will stay clear of EVE if they find out about this, nobody in their right mind will want to start a game like EVE, a game ran by a company that endorses cheating so long as they profit from it, its no better than some of those asian mmorpgs... EVE is already a niche market, it only attracts a certain type of player as it is, now its just being narrowed down that much further. There are very few gamers who will start a game where cheating is allowed if you pay for it. What you don't see is all the players that will start playing EVE because its possible to play it for free by buying game time codes, i have a few friends that wouldn't have played EVE if it wasn't for this and as for myself, i wouldn't have many accounts like i do if i couldn't pay for them in Isks, i just don't have enough cash IRL for that... As said before, CCP just can't stop ISK sales, its just not possible to catch everyone that do it on ebay or elsewhere, so, GTC for isks is by far the best way to go, it also allow CCP to keep an eyes on how its going and they can stop those that abuse from it, i've seen a few GTC sellers getting banned, i don't know if it was because they sold too many cards or because they sold Isks on ebay afterward, but they got banned, that's for sure
Taketa De	Posted - 2006.06.20 01:53:00 - [53] Originally by: HailGail So gametime cards for isk is effected by supply and demand, but isk for real money directly isnt? What is it effected by then, boobies? So the only real important point here is as you said, CCP take all the profit, there we have it, agreed on yet again, Your allowed to cheat at EVE as long as ccp profits from it. Well if you can't figure it out for yourself - yes there is a supply and demand effect for ISK/€ conversion but it is vastly different: For ISK to € conversion suppy is determined by how many ISK the resellers have, demand by how many € people are willing to spend. For GTC sales, suppy is determeind by how many € people are willing to spend and demand by how many people want GTC. So € are on the opposite ends of the suppy/demand equation in the 2 trasaction. That means while option one increases the price of ISK if more cash is pumped into it (= bad) option 2 decreases the price of ISK the more cash is spent ( = good). Also, you actually responed to the less important part of the post. Was that becasue you really didn't get why it matters or was it because you only care about making your point and discrediting any opposing position and not actually engaging in a constructive discussion? Note, the imporatnt part was: Quote: Then recently I read a post by Maya Rkell where he states that he has been following the ISK/$ conversion rates for a long time and that the GTC decision has crashed prices on this. If that is true (and I have no reason to belive it's not), then I'm all for keeping it. Especially combined with reading how many people could otherwise not play it seems that the postives outweigh the possible negatives. Not that I have seen any negatives so far, mostly it has consisted out of people against it out of principle (which I can respect) or people afraid of what they think it might cause with no evidence to back it up (which I can't). --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
Klaryssa	Posted - 2006.06.20 02:36:00 - [54] GTC for Isk is great. As already stated: CCP wins - Incidentally also hits the ebay isk economy. Buyer wins - Able to keep playing if they lack a credit card, or are between jobs Seller wins - Gets the battleship/faction mod that they havent been able to farm belt rats for due to time limitations Yes, as with anything, there is a small group who do things like 7 pages of GTC sales. If they have that kind of RL money to spend on EVE, great! They are investing in my favourite games company. This benefits me directly. And the best part, if they are found to be violating the ToS, they will be banned like everyone else. How is this not a great situation for all of us? CCP is a business; they need money to function. The more business they get, the more staff they can hire, the more lamborghini's Oveur and co can purchase. But what about people buying T2 BPO's? So? They are still EVE players. Spending RL money to get this thing... that says to me that you are either filthy rich (and could these people evemail please, I have a wishlist!) or you enjoy EVE enough to invest (a lot of) your RL cash into it. Just my $0.02.
Scary Noises	Posted - 2006.06.20 03:21:00 - [55] I can't believe people don't care about ingame power simply being bought for money. What happened to the concept of a game, seperate from that of the real world and real market? If I caught someone trying to buy off the bank in a game of monopoly I would sure as hell not let it continue. It'll real fun if the real, developer encouraged value of ingame assets becomes taxable.
Sacul	Posted - 2006.06.20 03:23:00 - [56] I really think that alot of u lot dont get the remarks GM Arkon made. If i read between the lines he says: "GTC are fine for personal use TO USE, if used for -pure- isk making its gonna be stopped on a individual level aka the uber isk maker of gtc". There is a difference in a few cards and billions worth of cards. well back to the "real" game.......
Maximillian Pele	Posted - 2006.06.20 04:07:00 - [57] If CCP allowing GTC selling for ISK was about making it easier for people to play, what's the deal with PayPal (scum yes but many people have PayPal accounts). The problem I have with GTC/ISK selling and account selling is that it breaks down the Real World/Game World barrier that the EULA claims exists. GTC/ISK selling makes it easier for ISK farmers to launder. GTC/ISK selling allows the people with RL wads to buy their way in EvE to the detriment of poorer players. GTC/ISK selling brings in a element of RL considerations to in game actions - my account is coming up for renewal so why don't I steal from my corp and then buy myself another 90 days free play. Basically, allowing real world cash to influence in game activities beyond the "everyone pays $X.XX a month to play is bad for Eve". CCP seems to be heading into the stripmine phase with EvE, where they maximise the return now to the detriment of all else. All this money has yet to translate into Kali being delivered on time or years-old bugs being fixed. A "tragedy of the commons" scenario looms in EvE's future it seems.
mogwai	Posted - 2006.06.20 04:37:00 - [58] Edited by: mogwai on 20/06/2006 04:38:17 Originally by: Da Death GTC 4tw!~ without it I would have to pay $90 every month I would have to find ú30+ per month out of trying to put money together for a mortgage in rl if i didnt buy gtc's. I make more than enough isk to cover them, whereas a mate who buys the cards has plenty of rl cash that i dont. Personally i think the small time seller for personal use system works fine, and i'm sure ccp are monitoring the folks buying and selling stacks of them.
Creed Richards	Posted - 2006.06.20 05:09:00 - [59] I'm pretty neutral on the whole subject, but I can see the wisdom to relegating such sales to a different forum.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.20 05:09:00 - [60] Originally by: HippoKing How I wish I could complain No amount of cuteness is going to save you.

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