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Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:21:00 - [61] Weak.
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:22:00 - [62] Originally by: SavageJohn VETO arent honourable in my opinion. Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!! I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more. You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V- Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day. Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong. /me checks Pirate rule book emm hmm.....Ya there isn't anything in here about having to Ransom or having to give you the option to ransom. It may of not been a "-V-" op but I dont think excuse would fly if a member of snigg ransomed someone then blew them up. So I dont see why It should work for anyone else.. Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe
Ayame Mishima	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:27:00 - [63] Originally by: Rasitiln It may of not been a "-V-" op but I dont think excuse would fly if a member of snigg ransomed someone then blew them up. So I dont see why It should work for anyone else.. They are the good ones and you are the bad ones. ================================= Damn cheaters.
Dinique	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:33:00 - [64] Originally by: SavageJohn VETO arent honourable in my opinion. Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!! I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more. You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V- Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day. Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong. To the player its just a game, to the character it isn't. To the character its very real. This is about something that happened in game, this whole "its just a game" excuse for everything is kinda stupid. YES its just a game, we KNOW. THANK YOU for telling us before its too late. This happens to be the forums of the very same game. And the actions of the members of an organization always has, and always will reflect upon the organization. People have pointed fingers at -V- because, like you pointed out 4 -V- members did it. _____ There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
Palx	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:42:00 - [65] Edited by: Palx on 23/06/2006 13:43:21 Originally by: Forgon Where were you when you were killed,and most importantly,you were a wartarget,- standing or neutral? And I dont think they were "pirating" :),because veritas has strong anti-piracy rules in low sec(excluding - standing ppl).If you were in 0.0 you are fair game,anyone can do anything to you,it is not about honor or anything. Wtf? Are you serious? He pays a ransom - you let him go tbh :\|
Waragha	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:43:00 - [66] Originally by: Dark Shikari @ Veritas. What has the world come to when a supposedly "respectable" 0.0 alliance has to dishonor ransoms to earn money? Veritas, are you really this broke? I'll donate a few million to you if you seriously have these sort of money problems. Yes we are totally broke, good news is though we have an IPO you can invest in
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:45:00 - [67] The issue will be taken care of - Personnaly by me! 13 -_-
Kaar	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:47:00 - [68] I fully approve of this thread and all points raised by it. ---- <3 minnow
Light Darkness	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:49:00 - [69] Fact is... -V- works with a NBSI policity. Not blue = KOS for us. Also -V- defend thier home GW/SP and everyone with no blue standings is a target for us !!! -V- isnt a Pirate Alliance !!! And if you talk the trust then send me the chatlog imediately !!! End of discussion.... Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
Vosi	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:49:00 - [70] Originally by: SavageJohn VETO arent honourable in my opinion. Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!! I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more. You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V- Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day. Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong. We all know its a game, a game where one of the most valuable comodities going is the trust that you can slowly earn with people so that deals whatever they may be can be done. 0.0, lowsec or in an empire war if you attempt to ransom someone and then blow them up after payment you are basically saying you word isnt worth the paper its printed on, and after your name is a little [-V-] tag so it reflects on your corp and alliance too. Although this wasnt an official V blob fest the pilots should be warned in retrospect and a refund made. This is of course if the incedent did indeed occur how its been portrayed. For the record how does the fact that we poped your raven make us un-honourable? We never promised to let you live?. Generally speaking we do prefer to ransom but sometimes things can get a little hot and its best to pop and run. Our word was nether the less never broken.
Nebuli	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:50:00 - [71] Hang on a minute, slow down here for one second. Now I have been on a sebatical for a month or two, but have been a member of V for over a year now, and CEO of this corp since itys inception, one of those 4 pilots is in my corp and I WILL be having a chat to see wtf is going on. The two guys replying on this thread from V, and no disrespect are pilots I have never met and have no idea who they are so can only assume they are new members to V, so in all honesty what they have been saying is FAR from what V is about, please do not tar V with a brush by what these people are saying. Now this is for everyone in this thread INCLUDING the V members, we DO NOT PIRATE, WE DO NOT RANSOM, EVER, IT IS NOT WHO WE ARE. Their is a strict no piracy policy in this alliance, now one of those pilots is from my own corp, and shall be getting the other side of the story because frankly I dont believe a word of this, Iamruss, ie RUS corp by any chance? is this a RED alt? honostly are you just trying to get some cheap proporganda going here? In my entire time in V I have NEVER known anyone pirate, ever, under any circumstances, it is made VERY clear that we dont do this and expulsion from the alliance can and will result from it. Those guys in V in this thread saying we sometimes ransom, I'm sorry but if your corp does this regularly I will personaly push to have you and your corp removed, this is not the actions of our honorable alliance and frankly I'm a little disgusted anyone would ever post such a thing. Oh and BTW, we are living on the coat tails of LV? are you having a laugh I mean honostly, where do you guys dream this crap up, it certainly isnt from reality. CEO - Art of War
Clementina	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:52:00 - [72] Iamruss. You may wish to contact Light Darkness concerning this. It is against Veritas Immortalis policy for its pilots to be engaging in pro piracy activities, like ransoms, dishonoring ransoms, or gloating about dishonoring ransoms. I imagine he will wish to see the killmail and any chatlogs from the event, for verification. It is not against -V- policy to destroy your Raven; however, so don't expect a refund for that. You may get your ransom back though.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:54:00 - [73] Okay, WTF.... I have no idea why our alliance members are a.) ransoming neutrals in Great Wildlands instead of killing them, and b.) killing them after the ransom. The ONLY reason I see for killing someone after they pay a ransom is if, instead of trying to leave our space, they try to head deeper in. When I was a pirate (short time though it may have been, since BioMass closed up shortly after I joined) I ALWAYS honored my ransoms, and I have no respect for those who don't. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:56:00 - [74] Originally by: Clementina Iamruss. You may wish to contact Light Darkness concerning this. It is against Veritas Immortalis policy for its pilots to be engaging in pro piracy activities, like ransoms, dishonoring ransoms, or gloating about dishonoring ransoms. I imagine he will wish to see the killmail and any chatlogs from the event, for verification. It is not against -V- policy to destroy your Raven; however, so don't expect a refund for that. You may get your ransom back though. QFT -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:05:00 - [75] /me does privateering in -V- owned and allowed areas. I do honour my reasonably priced passasge fee. /me doesnt know the original story behind the ransom and kill. Would really like to know about it though... My income now hurts by 50%. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/06/2006 14:12:57 I remember that we've ransomed a pod 2 or 3 times some weeks ago in 0.0 just for fun during a gatecamp. But then it was a poor neutral, who jumped in. We killed his BS, demanded a ransom for his pod just for fun, because we were bored and if he payed we let him go and if not, he got popped. We kept our word. But since we aren't pirates and operate on NBSI in 0.0, we usually don't ransom ( like in 999 out of 1000 cases ), just popp it without negotiation. That's at least what I've experienced so far.
SavageJohn	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:16:00 - [77] Originally by: Vosi For the record how does the fact that we poped your raven make us un-honourable? We never promised to let you live?. Generally speaking we do prefer to ransom but sometimes things can get a little hot and its best to pop and run. Our word was nether the less never broken. OK fair enough. I cant be arsed to get into this anyway so its cool. You guys did ransom my corp mate, I guess I was p155ed cos he got the ransom where I didnt... hehe Have a good day VETO
Maximillian Pele	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:17:00 - [78] Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 23/06/2006 14:21:41 Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/06/2006 14:12:57 I remember that we've ransomed a pod 2 or 3 times some weeks ago in 0.0 just for fun during a gatecamp. But then it was a poor neutral, who jumped in. We killed his BS, demanded a ransom for his pod just for fun, because we were bored and if he payed we let him go and if not, he got popped. We kept our word. But since we aren't pirates and operate on NBSI in 0.0, we usually don't ransom ( like in 999 out of 1000 cases ), just popp it without negotiation. That's at least what I've experienced so far. This seems to contradict this. Quote: The two guys replying on this thread from V, and no disrespect are pilots I have never met and have no idea who they are so can only assume they are new members to V, so in all honesty what they have been saying is FAR from what V is about, please do not tar V with a brush by what these people are saying. Now this is for everyone in this thread INCLUDING the V members, we DO NOT PIRATE, WE DO NOT RANSOM, EVER, IT IS NOT WHO WE ARE. - Nebula. So what is it VI? I was actually going to ask the OP to prove his claim and give VI the benefit of doubt, but then VI members showed up and did nothing to contradict the OP. Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod. As a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word.
Ivoryman	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:19:00 - [79] m0ngs. Play the game, take your beating, and stop whining on forums You are now wiser from the incident... carry on. Ivory CEO- Art of War
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:29:00 - [80] I do like that Veritas are making their stance clear on this though. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:36:00 - [81] Originally by: Maximillian Pele Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod. As you're a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word. Pay passage fees when I ask for them else dont comment that I dont honour passage fees. Like LD said. -V- isnt a pirate alliance. I only do privateering. 50% of my income is through passage fees. This thread is going to hurt my wallet. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Maximillian Pele	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:37:00 - [82] Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 23/06/2006 14:40:04 Yep - VI is being very clear here. To paraphrase Ivoryman - learn your lesson here. Trust a VI member to keep their word and you deserve to be ransomed and then podded. Sorry Jenny, for all I know I could pay you and then another VI member could kill me. We are forming a Corp and Northern Intelligence will have to go into the never to be trusted category I'm afraid.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Maximillian Pele Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 23/06/2006 14:40:04 Yep - VI is being very clear here. To paraphrase Ivoryman - learn your lesson here. Trust a VI member to keep their word and you deserve to be ransomed and then podded. Sorry Jenny, for all I know I could pay you and then another VI member could kill me. We are forming a Corp and Northern Intelligence will have to go into the never to be trusted category I'm afraid. Your loss, not mine. /me looks at killmail. I do not see Northern Intelligence is part of the mail. For the record, Damage Unlimited and Mortus are new -V- corps. AFAIK, I dont know the whole story behind. I think I will let my comments end here until I know more. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:53:00 - [84] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me looks at killmail. I do not see Northern Intelligence is part of the mail. For the record, Damage Unlimited and Mortus are new -V- corps. AFAIK, I dont know the whole story behind. I think I will let my comments end here until I know more. Damage Unlimited is a stupid name.. and you can tell them i said so. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:53:00 - [85] Quote: Sorry Jenny, for all I know I could pay you and then another VI member could kill me. We are forming a Corp and Northern Intelligence will have to go into the never to be trusted category I'm afraid. Well aint you a good lookin' fellah 13 -_-
Uggster	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:07:00 - [86] Originally by: Ivoryman m0ngs. Play the game, take your beating, and stop whining on forums You are now wiser from the incident... carry on. Ivory WTF are you on about ??? I have fought in -V- gangs and flown with -V- forces and they have been good guys. But to go around breaking those unwrittain rules of space and then acting like and arrogant *cksucer is low. Give the guy his money back or his Raven or go back in your corner of shame and stay there.
Dinique	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:14:00 - [87] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Maximillian Pele Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod. As you're a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word. Pay passage fees when I ask for them else dont comment that I dont honour passage fees. Like LD said. -V- isnt a pirate alliance. I only do privateering. 50% of my income is through passage fees. This thread is going to hurt my wallet. Care to explain what the difference between a passage fee and ransoming someone at a gate is? Serious question. _____ There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Dinique Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Maximillian Pele Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod. As you're a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word. Pay passage fees when I ask for them else dont comment that I dont honour passage fees. Like LD said. -V- isnt a pirate alliance. I only do privateering. 50% of my income is through passage fees. This thread is going to hurt my wallet. Care to explain what the difference between a passage fee and ransoming someone at a gate is? Serious question. When you ransom, you are pirating. When you ask for passage fee, you are privateering. If they dont comply, they get popped. Pirating is illegal. Privateering is legal. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:28:00 - [89] Originally by: Nebuli Huh? they are both pirating, you just described two identical situations, both with the same outcome, just naming them differently. Fundamentally, pirating and privateering are the same. The difference between them is a thin thread separating illegal and legal reasons. One is not authorised by a governing body and the other is. HTH. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:30:00 - [90] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 15:30:25 Originally by: Nebuli Huh? they are both pirating, you just described two identical situations, both with the same outcome, just naming them differently. In one situation, you are holding the guy hostage. In the other, he is free to not warp to the gate. They are not the same. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune

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