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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:43:00 -
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They cornered me fair and square and asked for 10 million. I paid, and warped to leave the system. They still destroyed me and gloated about it. They also were blaming it on 'lag.' If that was the case, then why would they not return the ISK? I paid a good 30 seconds before I jumped to leave the system.
Names:
Victim: Iamruss
Destroyed: Raven
Name: Krimsonblade (laid the final blow)
Alliance: Veritas Immortalis
Corp: Damage Unlimited Inc
Name: shhmee eeeeee
Alliance: Veritas Immortalis
Corp: Mortis Angelus
Name: Boneyard
Alliance: Veritas Immortalis
Corp: Damage Unlimited Inc
Name: Amarr knight
Alliance: Veritas Immortalis
Corp: Art of War
Pirates like them ruin it for all. Never trust them, and never pay any of them, they will not honor any ransom they ask for. Except your loss. And I hope they dont get your pod.
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:45:00 -
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lets see... you gave money to someone who was shooting you. genious. well if anything at least you hopefully learned your lesson.
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murder one
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Randay
lets see... you gave money to someone who was shooting you. genious. well if anything at least you hopefully learned your lesson.
not all pirates don't honor ransoms. Myself, I *always* honor my ransoms.
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
lets see... you gave money to someone who was shooting you. genious. well if anything at least you hopefully learned your lesson.
I paid a full minute before I warped to leave the system. He even recognized the ISK and said 'ty'
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Iamruss on 23/06/2006 02:52:08
Anyway, I'm not crying. I can always replace what I lost. I just want the public to know, dont ever pay money to anyone in the following corporations: Damage Unlimited Inc, Art of War, or Mortis Angelus.
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Lojik
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Lojik on 23/06/2006 03:10:33
tbh i'm appaled at the attitude of those pirates (if your story is true) and they dont even deserve the title of pirate, if they dont keep there word there just griefers and i hate griefers, thnx for the info more names to add to the pos list. Iamruss it happens and it cant be helped although i promise you if you came to where i am i would honour my ransoms   .
I'd like to hear what the attackers side of the story is though.
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:21:00 -
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Considering they are part of a alliance in control of 0.0 space i doubt they care.They were just doing it for fun,and probably really don't care if people don't becuase they got 0.0 access to make money with.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:23:00 -
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Nubbie pirates ftl really... sorry russ had it been us who you had the pleasure of bumping into you would have gone unharmed
I even remember the time npc's destroyed a ship who I ransomed and I reinbursied him :D
Nova Satar > i'll be waiting
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: xeom
Considering they are part of a alliance in control of 0.0 space i doubt they care.They were just doing it for fun,and probably really don't care if people don't becuase they got 0.0 access to make money with.
That's fine. If this message is read by just one pilot, who neglects to pay them a ransom, then it was worth it.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.06.23 03:30:00 -
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Please dont fret though, there are plenty of pirates who do have a sense of pride and honor in what they do and will honor their ransoms to the letter 
Nova Satar > i'll be waiting
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.06.23 04:51:00 -
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Veritas have e-peen envy
Take joy in knowing my corporation costs them several hundred million every few days, We dont ask for money.
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Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.06.23 06:31:00 -
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-V- is a bitter alliance riding the coat tails of LV.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.23 06:37:00 -
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You could try evemailing their respective CEOs 
Will be unlikely to do anything, but could be interesting
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
Veritas have e-peen envy
Take joy in knowing my corporation costs them several hundred million every few days, We dont ask for money.
Hahaha, you made me feel warm inside. Thanks :-)
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
You could try evemailing their respective CEOs
Will be unlikely to do anything, but could be interesting
I did in fact message the Damage Unlimited CEO asking if it's normal practice for them to dishonor ransoms, I wonder if I'll get a reply. To be honest, I really don't care if he/she does.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.23 08:18:00 -
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Mail Lightdarkness he may do something about it. (assuming hes still the leader of -V-)
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Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2006.06.23 08:24:00 -
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'Pirates' like them gives other pirates a bad name, and are the exact reason why people won't pay ransoms.
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
'Pirates' like them gives other pirates a bad name, and are the exact reason why people won't pay ransoms.
Exactly ;/
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:02:00 -
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 @ Veritas.
What has the world come to when a supposedly "respectable" 0.0 alliance has to dishonor ransoms to earn money?
Veritas, are you really this broke? I'll donate a few million to you if you seriously have these sort of money problems.
--Proud member of the [23]--
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:09:00 -
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Thats a disgrace and another reason why people wont pay ransoms now. Bloody great.
Well done Veritas Immortalis, you cant control your pilots, or teach them respect.
I speak on behalf of myself, not my Alliance. If you got a problem, talk to me about it.
Izo Azlion.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:33:00 -
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I'm surprised at this coming from them tbh.
Every story has two sides, I'd like to hear the other one
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:40:00 -
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Sorry for your loss Iamruss...
I have always honored ransoms, and that is one of the two rules for my corp that have always made certain everyone follows...
The other is honoring 1 v 1's...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Iamruss
Originally by: Randay
lets see... you gave money to someone who was shooting you. genious. well if anything at least you hopefully learned your lesson.
I paid a full minute before I warped to leave the system. He even recognized the ISK and said 'ty'
They're pirates... if take the ransom and then pop you, well tough. I'm not a pirate but I don't think it is disgusting or appalling. They're out to get whatever they can...
When a player starts pirating, they don't sign a code of conduct ffs!
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THX 1138
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:54:00 -
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Although I would like to hear the other side of the story, on the face it this is shameful.
Come on Veritas Immortalis - please reply to this and justify. And none of that "he wasn't blue" bull****. If you offer or accept a ransom you have to honour it - especially as an alliance.
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:59:00 -
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why do they "have" to honour it?
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Terra Sky
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:00:00 -
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That is the normal way unfortunetly. I have seen it for ASCN, LV, Shinra it self and other alliances. Big alliances think the own the world. Big alliances get bored and start to kill neutrals were ever they want. Such thing like honor does not exist. Trust no one!
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Hickock
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:05:00 -
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I am not a pirate, in role I espouse values that see them a cowardly robbers.
Out of role I believe its a game they are a valuable part of it and to expect them all to adhere to a consistent code of behaviour is unrealistic however
its bad for business
I will never pay a ransom because I believe it would too often be in addition to the destruction and looting of my ship and subsequent podding.
I will run or fight depending on the best option for survival and if I fight I may take some with me and hopefully erode their profits.
Can pay, won't pay.
Absurdity, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 11:10:51
Originally by: Rockbox
Nubbie pirates ftl really... sorry russ had it been us who you had the pleasure of bumping into you would have gone unharmed
I even remember the time npc's destroyed a ship who I ransomed and I reinbursied him :D
I do that too... I pay the guy if I accidently blow up his ship or allows any npc to kill it after i take it into structure. Alot of the pirates do ransom, but there are always some kids that thinks its fun to cause grief.
Veritas, you should be ashamed.
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Wayback
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:21:00 -
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I've had a run in with a -v- member and this sound about par for them from my experinaces.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:32:00 -
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I wish there was some sort of ransom system in place actually. As part of the game. The system would make sure that the victim can warp off if he pays the ransom.
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THX 1138
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
why do they "have" to honour it?
Are you serious? Alliances live and die by the conduct of their members. If they can't be taken at their word in something as simple as a ransom, then they lose all credibility for ALL transactions.
Of course there's no rule that they 'have' to honour it. I'm speaking from a moral point of view - I'm sorry if it's lost on you.
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Forgon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:36:00 -
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Where were you when you were killed,and most importantly,you were a wartarget,- standing or neutral?
And I dont think they were "pirating" :),because veritas has strong anti-piracy rules in low sec(excluding - standing ppl).If you were in 0.0 you are fair game,anyone can do anything to you,it is not about honor or anything.
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Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
I wish there was some sort of ransom system in place actually. As part of the game. The system would make sure that the victim can warp off if he pays the ransom.
I wouldn't like anything like that. I love the freedom of the game and anything like that cuts down on that freedom. Even if there are those black sheep, what would it be like if they wouldn't exist? If everything runs in perfect rules, where is all the fun of not knowing if it will play out as you have planned it?
We do need scammers, pirates and all sorts of bad folks as much as we need good ones. It's the careful mix of both that makes the game worthwhile.
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James Snowscoran
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:39:00 -
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That's weird, I didn't know -V- pilots were even allowed to ransom.
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Terra Sky
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Forgon
And I dont think they were "pirating" :),because veritas has strong anti-piracy rules in low sec(excluding - standing ppl).
So frankly, will the killers be punished by VI? Would they ever be punished? I doubt it.
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Forgon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:46:00 -
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The parts he didnt include was:
Victim: Iamruss
Alliance:
Corp:
Destroyed: Raven
System: B-VIP9
Security: 0.0
It occured in 0.0 so it is not "pirating".That was my point.And yes -V- pilots do ransom time to time,especially while camping gates.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Forgon
If you were in 0.0 you are fair game,anyone can do anything to you,it is not about honor or anything.
Wow, there goes any respect I ever had for Vertias, in fact I'm now ashamed to have one of your member corps in my employment history.
Originally by: Forgon
It occured in 0.0 so it is not "pirating".That was my point.And yes -V- pilots do ransom time to time,especially while camping gates.
So you do ransom? But you kill people after you've ransomed them by the look of it. Bad form. You people are what make pirating difficult for people like me.
Foolish.
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: THX 1138
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
why do they "have" to honour it?
Are you serious? Alliances live and die by the conduct of their members. If they can't be taken at their word in something as simple as a ransom, then they lose all credibility for ALL transactions.
Of course there's no rule that they 'have' to honour it. I'm speaking from a moral point of view - I'm sorry if it's lost on you.
Exactly, there is no rule that they have to honour it. Why are you querying morals in a game for a piracy, which by any standard is immoral?
The point I am making is this, ransoming someone for their ship is immoral... taking the ransom and then killing them is immoral. The two ARE immoral to start with.
I just don't understand why people are getting on their high horses about one form of piracy and not another.
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Qwynn
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Forgon
The parts he didnt include was:
Victim: Iamruss
Alliance:
Corp:
Destroyed: Raven
System: B-VIP9
Security: 0.0
It occured in 0.0 so it is not "pirating".That was my point.
I think you missed a part as well. Whether be it 0.0 or negative standing, if you do ransom a pilot or the ship, giving the pilot hope of survival, then respect your deal and let the pilot live upon payment. If the intention was to kill, why the ransom? To be honest, this is your best way to destroy your credibility in the public.
Originally by: Forgon
And yes -V- pilots do ransom time to time,especially while camping gates.
Resulting from the previous statement, the ransom is just a donation to the involved -V- pilots, as you will get killed anyway.
"Hey, its not pirating. We just want to cover our ammunition costs."
It would be interesting, if both parties would post the chat logs.
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Isenheart
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:01:00 -
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Is it only me who thinks 10 mill is a little to small ransom for a Raven?
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dralid
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:01:00 -
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1) Ransom is ransom, and if paid should be honored, nomatter where the ransom takes place, empire or 0.0
2) NEVER pay ransom, NEVER!
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Isenheart
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: dralid
1) Ransom is ransom, and if paid should be honored, nomatter where the ransom takes place, empire or 0.0
2) NEVER pay ransom, NEVER!
Dual morality?
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Forgon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:05:00 -
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No,personally(and mortis generally) I dont ransom ppl because,2 killmails > isk.But some ppl do,some ppl both ransom and kill.It is their choice really (it is a game for gods sake).And I wasnt even online when that thing happened,so I dont really know the story from our side.
All I am saying is keep in mind B-VIP is a 0.0 system,ppl can do mistakes (maybe they WAS lag,who knows),and dont believe everything you read.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Trevedian on 23/06/2006 12:08:11
Originally by: Forgon
The parts he didnt include was:
Victim: Iamruss
Alliance:
Corp:
Destroyed: Raven
System: B-VIP9
Security: 0.0
It occured in 0.0 so it is not "pirating".That was my point.And yes -V- pilots do ransom time to time,especially while camping gates.
Don't call what you do "ransoming" if your not honoring the ransoms...
If some1 in my corp didn't honor a ransom, I would boot them in a second...
Can't you empathize how not honoring a ransom would feel if someone did the same to you after you paid them the requested amount? -V- sucks and should be destroyed if the only person they can get to represent their POV can't grasp what is wrong with not honoring ransoms.
[STORY] I was once lied to about a 1 v 1 when 5 ships jumped in on me... Then I was podded after I paid a ransom... A year later, I saw the guy who podded me in recruitment chat and convinced the idiot to join Kr0m... We prompty gang humped him and podded him after we convinced him to fit faction hardners... Yeah it was low, but not as low as dishonoring 1 v 1's and lying about ransoms. Yeah I know my grudges are a lil extreme, I don't mind dying, but that incident ****ed me off more in EVE than anything else.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dinique on 23/06/2006 12:10:24
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
Originally by: THX 1138
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
why do they "have" to honour it?
Are you serious? Alliances live and die by the conduct of their members. If they can't be taken at their word in something as simple as a ransom, then they lose all credibility for ALL transactions.
Of course there's no rule that they 'have' to honour it. I'm speaking from a moral point of view - I'm sorry if it's lost on you.
Exactly, there is no rule that they have to honour it. Why are you querying morals in a game for a piracy, which by any standard is immoral?
The point I am making is this, ransoming someone for their ship is immoral... taking the ransom and then killing them is immoral. The two ARE immoral to start with.
I just don't understand why people are getting on their high horses about one form of piracy and not another.
You're wrong. Morals are completely subjective.
To a pirate, ransoming someone isn't immoral. To the "Honourable Pirate" type like Verone and co. advocate Ransoming is perfectly moral. Ransoming and then destroying someone after they paid your ransom is Immoral to them.
Obviously in the case of these -V- pirates, neither ransoming or dishounoring a ransom is immoral. Which tells you about what kind of characters they are.
In the case of for instance the average JF member or yourself, both practices are completely immoral. But thats your morals. And everyone's morals are different.
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There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Forgon
some ppl both ransom and kill.It is their choice really (it is a game for gods sake).
That's how I see it too. They're pirates ffs!
Gawd I'm even getting the urge to... yaaaaar.
Ahem.
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THX 1138
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Forgon
it is not about honor or anything.
Thank you for clarifying that.
I endorse what Verone said above.
As to the morals... I can't remember the name of the guy going on about it above, they never said they wouldn't shoot him. It is well know that if you are not 'blue' in 0.0 you get shot. So be it. The moral factor kicked in when they offered ransom. That's where their morals failed.
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dinique
In the case of for instance the average JF member or yourself, both practices are completely immoral. But thats your morals. And everyone's morals are different.
You can't disagree with that  , but that's kinda been my point too though.
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:15:00 -
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maybe they're roleplaying an immoral pirate?
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: THX 1138
Originally by: Forgon
it is not about honor or anything.
Thank you for clarifying that.
I endorse what Verone said above.
As to the morals... I can't remember the name of the guy going on about it above, they never said they wouldn't shoot him. It is well know that if you are not 'blue' in 0.0 you get shot. So be it. The moral factor kicked in when they offered ransom. That's where their morals failed.
err no.
If its not against your morals to shoot someone, its not immoral to you to shoot someone :P
Same thing for ransoming and then shooting the victim anyway.
Just because you are in 0.0 doesn't mean you will be free from judgement by the rest of universe.
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There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones
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Qwynn
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:22:00 -
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On behalf of -V-, I would love to see the chat logs, as 10 million for a raven is odd.
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dralid
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Isenheart
Originally by: dralid
1) Ransom is ransom, and if paid should be honored, nomatter where the ransom takes place, empire or 0.0
2) NEVER pay ransom, NEVER!
Dual morality?
Not really no, but I can see why you tend to think so, pirate.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:28:00 -
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You judge a Corporation or Alliance on the basis of what it does.
If you don't keep your word in one situation the chances are you won't in others. Hence Veritas Immortalis cannot be trusted to keep its word in anything.
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Dekiri
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:31:00 -
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I am probably old fashioned but i would never ever pay a ransom nor ask for one! The great thing about pirating is blowing up things and where is the fun with that ransom stuff ?
Pillage and murder yes!
Ask strangers for money no!
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THX 1138
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dinique
err no.
If its not against your morals to shoot someone, its not immoral to you to shoot someone :P
Same thing for ransoming and then shooting the victim anyway.
Just because you are in 0.0 doesn't mean you will be free from judgement by the rest of universe.
Of course it's subjective. I got involved in this thread to hear VI's stance - I've got what I came for.
As all-powerful and arrogant as alliances are (I will include D2 in this), they forget that every action taken by, and endorsed by the alliance is in effect an advertisement. I think that Forgon's words above are a disgrace to his alliance. Yes, it's my opinion. Yes, it's subjective.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ayame Mishima
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I wish there was some sort of ransom system in place actually. As part of the game. The system would make sure that the victim can warp off if he pays the ransom.
I wouldn't like anything like that. I love the freedom of the game and anything like that cuts down on that freedom. Even if there are those black sheep, what would it be like if they wouldn't exist? If everything runs in perfect rules, where is all the fun of not knowing if it will play out as you have planned it?
We do need scammers, pirates and all sorts of bad folks as much as we need good ones. It's the careful mix of both that makes the game worthwhile.
I agree. Eve just wouldnt be eve without scammers, killers etc. But i think a optional ransom system wouldnt severly hurt this freedom. And the advantage of having a system where the victim gets safe passage if he pays the ransom is more people paying the ransom.
Please comment in the thread i created in General Discussions for commenting on the ransom system idea. I explain the reasoning behind this in that thread. 
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Ayame Mishima
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I wish there was some sort of ransom system in place actually. As part of the game. The system would make sure that the victim can warp off if he pays the ransom.
I wouldn't like anything like that. I love the freedom of the game and anything like that cuts down on that freedom. Even if there are those black sheep, what would it be like if they wouldn't exist? If everything runs in perfect rules, where is all the fun of not knowing if it will play out as you have planned it?
We do need scammers, pirates and all sorts of bad folks as much as we need good ones. It's the careful mix of both that makes the game worthwhile.
I agree. Eve just wouldnt be eve without scammers, killers etc. But i think a optional ransom system wouldnt severly hurt this freedom. And the advantage of having a system where the victim gets safe passage if he pays the ransom is more people paying the ransom.
Please comment in the thread i created in General Discussions for commenting on the ransom system idea. I explain the reasoning behind this in that thread.
A system whereby the ransom transaction is facilitated making it easier to transfer the right amount quickly and easily is a good idea.
A system that guarentees 'honest' piracy isnt. I thought you said the game needs bad guys? You are eliminating one kind of bad guy, in favour of another kind that you like better.
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There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:06:00 -
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This is very disturbing. Puts a black mark against us who Pirate to the book "Pirating, Do's & Dont's" by Captain Hook.
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SavageJohn
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:11:00 -
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VETO arent honourable in my opinion.
Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!!
I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more.
You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V-
Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day.
Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong.
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 23/06/2006 13:21:24
Originally by: SavageJohn
VETO arent honourable in my opinion.
Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!!
I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more.
You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V-
Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day.
Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong.
There's a difference between blowing someone's ship up and violating a ransom agreement, you know.
It is a game, you're correct, but it is how you play the game that matters. The way your alliancemates acted against him on face value is very dishonorable, though I would like to hear the other side ofc.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:21:00 -
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Weak.
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: SavageJohn
VETO arent honourable in my opinion.
Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!!
I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more.
You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V-
Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day.
Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong.
/me checks Pirate rule book
emm hmm.....Ya there isn't anything in here about having to Ransom or having to give you the option to ransom.
It may of not been a "-V-" op but I dont think excuse would fly if a member of snigg ransomed someone then blew them up. So I dont see why It should work for anyone else..
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Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rasitiln
It may of not been a "-V-" op but I dont think excuse would fly if a member of snigg ransomed someone then blew them up. So I dont see why It should work for anyone else..
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: SavageJohn
VETO arent honourable in my opinion.
Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!!
I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more.
You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V-
Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day.
Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong.
To the player its just a game, to the character it isn't. To the character its very real. This is about something that happened in game, this whole "its just a game" excuse for everything is kinda stupid. YES its just a game, we KNOW. THANK YOU for telling us before its too late. This happens to be the forums of the very same game.
And the actions of the members of an organization always has, and always will reflect upon the organization. People have pointed fingers at -V- because, like you pointed out 4 -V- members did it.
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So many different suns
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Palx
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Palx on 23/06/2006 13:43:21
Originally by: Forgon
Where were you when you were killed,and most importantly,you were a wartarget,- standing or neutral?
And I dont think they were "pirating" :),because veritas has strong anti-piracy rules in low sec(excluding - standing ppl).If you were in 0.0 you are fair game,anyone can do anything to you,it is not about honor or anything.
Wtf?
Are you serious?
He pays a ransom - you let him go tbh :|
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
@ Veritas.
What has the world come to when a supposedly "respectable" 0.0 alliance has to dishonor ransoms to earn money?
Veritas, are you really this broke? I'll donate a few million to you if you seriously have these sort of money problems.
Yes we are totally broke, good news is though we have an IPO you can invest in 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:45:00 -
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The issue will be taken care of - Personnaly by me!
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Kaar
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:47:00 -
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I fully approve of this thread and all points raised by it.
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:49:00 -
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Fact is...
-V- works with a NBSI policity. Not blue = KOS for us. Also -V- defend thier home GW/SP and everyone with no blue standings is a target for us !!!
-V- isnt a Pirate Alliance !!!
And if you talk the trust then send me the chatlog imediately !!!
End of discussion....
Regards
/LD
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Vosi
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: SavageJohn
VETO arent honourable in my opinion.
Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!!
I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more.
You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V-
Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day.
Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong.
We all know its a game, a game where one of the most valuable comodities going is the trust that you can slowly earn with people so that deals whatever they may be can be done.
0.0, lowsec or in an empire war if you attempt to ransom someone and then blow them up after payment you are basically saying you word isnt worth the paper its printed on, and after your name is a little [-V-] tag so it reflects on your corp and alliance too. Although this wasnt an official V blob fest the pilots should be warned in retrospect and a refund made. This is of course if the incedent did indeed occur how its been portrayed.
For the record how does the fact that we poped your raven make us un-honourable? We never promised to let you live?. Generally speaking we do prefer to ransom but sometimes things can get a little hot and its best to pop and run. Our word was nether the less never broken.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:50:00 -
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Hang on a minute, slow down here for one second.
Now I have been on a sebatical for a month or two, but have been a member of V for over a year now, and CEO of this corp since itys inception, one of those 4 pilots is in my corp and I WILL be having a chat to see wtf is going on.
The two guys replying on this thread from V, and no disrespect are pilots I have never met and have no idea who they are so can only assume they are new members to V, so in all honesty what they have been saying is FAR from what V is about, please do not tar V with a brush by what these people are saying.
Now this is for everyone in this thread INCLUDING the V members, we DO NOT PIRATE, WE DO NOT RANSOM, EVER, IT IS NOT WHO WE ARE.
Their is a strict no piracy policy in this alliance, now one of those pilots is from my own corp, and shall be getting the other side of the story because frankly I dont believe a word of this, Iamruss, ie RUS corp by any chance? is this a RED alt? honostly are you just trying to get some cheap proporganda going here?
In my entire time in V I have NEVER known anyone pirate, ever, under any circumstances, it is made VERY clear that we dont do this and expulsion from the alliance can and will result from it.
Those guys in V in this thread saying we sometimes ransom, I'm sorry but if your corp does this regularly I will personaly push to have you and your corp removed, this is not the actions of our honorable alliance and frankly I'm a little disgusted anyone would ever post such a thing.
Oh and BTW, we are living on the coat tails of LV? are you having a laugh I mean honostly, where do you guys dream this crap up, it certainly isnt from reality.
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Clementina
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:52:00 -
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Iamruss. You may wish to contact Light Darkness concerning this. It is against Veritas Immortalis policy for its pilots to be engaging in pro piracy activities, like ransoms, dishonoring ransoms, or gloating about dishonoring ransoms. I imagine he will wish to see the killmail and any chatlogs from the event, for verification.
It is not against -V- policy to destroy your Raven; however, so don't expect a refund for that. You may get your ransom back though.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:54:00 -
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Okay, WTF....
I have no idea why our alliance members are a.) ransoming neutrals in Great Wildlands instead of killing them, and b.) killing them after the ransom. The ONLY reason I see for killing someone after they pay a ransom is if, instead of trying to leave our space, they try to head deeper in.
When I was a pirate (short time though it may have been, since BioMass closed up shortly after I joined) I ALWAYS honored my ransoms, and I have no respect for those who don't.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Clementina
Iamruss. You may wish to contact Light Darkness concerning this. It is against Veritas Immortalis policy for its pilots to be engaging in pro piracy activities, like ransoms, dishonoring ransoms, or gloating about dishonoring ransoms. I imagine he will wish to see the killmail and any chatlogs from the event, for verification.
It is not against -V- policy to destroy your Raven; however, so don't expect a refund for that. You may get your ransom back though.
QFT
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:05:00 -
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/me does privateering in -V- owned and allowed areas.
I do honour my reasonably priced passasge fee.
/me doesnt know the original story behind the ransom and kill. Would really like to know about it though... My income now hurts by 50%. 
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/06/2006 14:12:57
I remember that we've ransomed a pod 2 or 3 times some weeks ago in 0.0 just for fun during a gatecamp. But then it was a poor neutral, who jumped in.
We killed his BS, demanded a ransom for his pod just for fun, because we were bored and if he payed we let him go and if not, he got popped.
We kept our word.
But since we aren't pirates and operate on NBSI in 0.0, we usually don't ransom ( like in 999 out of 1000 cases ), just popp it without negotiation.
That's at least what I've experienced so far.
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SavageJohn
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vosi
For the record how does the fact that we poped your raven make us un-honourable? We never promised to let you live?. Generally speaking we do prefer to ransom but sometimes things can get a little hot and its best to pop and run. Our word was nether the less never broken.
OK fair enough. I cant be arsed to get into this anyway so its cool.
You guys did ransom my corp mate, I guess I was p155ed cos he got the ransom where I didnt... hehe
Have a good day VETO
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 23/06/2006 14:21:41
Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/06/2006 14:12:57
I remember that we've ransomed a pod 2 or 3 times some weeks ago in 0.0 just for fun during a gatecamp. But then it was a poor neutral, who jumped in.
We killed his BS, demanded a ransom for his pod just for fun, because we were bored and if he payed we let him go and if not, he got popped.
We kept our word.
But since we aren't pirates and operate on NBSI in 0.0, we usually don't ransom ( like in 999 out of 1000 cases ), just popp it without negotiation.
That's at least what I've experienced so far.
This seems to contradict this.
Quote:
The two guys replying on this thread from V, and no disrespect are pilots I have never met and have no idea who they are so can only assume they are new members to V, so in all honesty what they have been saying is FAR from what V is about, please do not tar V with a brush by what these people are saying.
Now this is for everyone in this thread INCLUDING the V members, we DO NOT PIRATE, WE DO NOT RANSOM, EVER, IT IS NOT WHO WE ARE.
- Nebula.
So what is it VI?
I was actually going to ask the OP to prove his claim and give VI the benefit of doubt, but then VI members showed up and did nothing to contradict the OP.
Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod.
As a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word.
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Ivoryman
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:19:00 -
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m0ngs.
Play the game, take your beating, and stop whining on forums You are now wiser from the incident... carry on.
Ivory
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:29:00 -
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I do like that Veritas are making their stance clear on this though.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod.
As you're a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word.
Pay passage fees when I ask for them else dont comment that I dont honour passage fees. Like LD said. -V- isnt a pirate alliance. I only do privateering. 50% of my income is through passage fees. This thread is going to hurt my wallet. 
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 23/06/2006 14:40:04
Yep - VI is being very clear here.
To paraphrase Ivoryman - learn your lesson here. Trust a VI member to keep their word and you deserve to be ransomed and then podded.
Sorry Jenny, for all I know I could pay you and then another VI member could kill me. We are forming a Corp and Northern Intelligence will have to go into the never to be trusted category I'm afraid.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 23/06/2006 14:40:04
Yep - VI is being very clear here.
To paraphrase Ivoryman - learn your lesson here. Trust a VI member to keep their word and you deserve to be ransomed and then podded.
Sorry Jenny, for all I know I could pay you and then another VI member could kill me. We are forming a Corp and Northern Intelligence will have to go into the never to be trusted category I'm afraid.
Your loss, not mine.
/me looks at killmail. I do not see Northern Intelligence is part of the mail. For the record, Damage Unlimited and Mortus are new -V- corps. AFAIK, I dont know the whole story behind. I think I will let my comments end here until I know more.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
/me looks at killmail. I do not see Northern Intelligence is part of the mail. For the record, Damage Unlimited and Mortus are new -V- corps. AFAIK, I dont know the whole story behind. I think I will let my comments end here until I know more.
Damage Unlimited is a stupid name.. and you can tell them i said so.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:53:00 -
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Quote:
Sorry Jenny, for all I know I could pay you and then another VI member could kill me. We are forming a Corp and Northern Intelligence will have to go into the never to be trusted category I'm afraid.
Well aint you a good lookin' fellah
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ivoryman
m0ngs.
Play the game, take your beating, and stop whining on forums You are now wiser from the incident... carry on.
Ivory
WTF are you on about ???
I have fought in -V- gangs and flown with -V- forces and they have been good guys.
But to go around breaking those unwrittain rules of space and then acting like and arrogant **cksuc*er is low.
Give the guy his money back or his Raven or go back in your corner of shame and stay there.
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod.
As you're a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word.
Pay passage fees when I ask for them else dont comment that I dont honour passage fees. Like LD said. -V- isnt a pirate alliance. I only do privateering. 50% of my income is through passage fees. This thread is going to hurt my wallet.
Care to explain what the difference between a passage fee and ransoming someone at a gate is?
Serious question.
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There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dinique
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod.
As you're a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word.
Pay passage fees when I ask for them else dont comment that I dont honour passage fees. Like LD said. -V- isnt a pirate alliance. I only do privateering. 50% of my income is through passage fees. This thread is going to hurt my wallet.
Care to explain what the difference between a passage fee and ransoming someone at a gate is?
Serious question.
When you ransom, you are pirating. When you ask for passage fee, you are privateering. If they dont comply, they get popped. Pirating is illegal. Privateering is legal.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Huh? they are both pirating, you just described two identical situations, both with the same outcome, just naming them differently.
Fundamentally, pirating and privateering are the same. The difference between them is a thin thread separating illegal and legal reasons. One is not authorised by a governing body and the other is. HTH.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 15:30:25
Originally by: Nebuli
Huh? they are both pirating, you just described two identical situations, both with the same outcome, just naming them differently.
In one situation, you are holding the guy hostage. In the other, he is free to not warp to the gate. They are not the same.
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/06/2006 15:33:56
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Sorry Jenny, for all I know I could pay you and then another VI member could kill me. We are forming a Corp and Northern Intelligence will have to go into the never to be trusted category I'm afraid.
You aren't supposed to fly in V space anyway without positive standings.
So yes, if you're in the middle of V space, someone scrambles you and says: '20 mil isk, and I let you go!' e.g. a bored Jenny trying to have some fun and extort some isk, then it usually means, what she said: 'She lets you go.' and she probably gives a f**k, if you die 1 minute later by another V, or not. *grins at Jenny*
We are no pirate alliance and we have no ransom coordinator or something like that and no daily free-passage list.
We operate on NBSI, meaning we don't ask in alliance chat, if we can shoot someone or not 
If we spot a neutral or red, we aren't supposed to ask or check twice, who that neutral is. Alli-order is that we can pull the trigger without hesitating, when we spot any neutral or red. So if I see a neutral, I don't ask, if anyone let him go for whatever reason a few minutes ago.
P.S.: I thought that's obvious anyway. I'm out of here now.
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THX 1138
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dinique
Care to explain what the difference between a passage fee and ransoming someone at a gate is?
Serious question.
As I understand it, a passage fee is negotiated in the alliance public channel before you enter alliance-controlled territory. A ransom is negotiated when you're already there, scrambled, webbed and generally screwed.
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Dinique
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Sorry Jenny, but until VI demonstates that its supposed policies are more than just words, I must assume that VI accepts pilots who ransom and then Pod.
As you're a member of VI, I would be a fool to assume that you would keep your word.
Pay passage fees when I ask for them else dont comment that I dont honour passage fees. Like LD said. -V- isnt a pirate alliance. I only do privateering. 50% of my income is through passage fees. This thread is going to hurt my wallet.
Care to explain what the difference between a passage fee and ransoming someone at a gate is?
Serious question.
When you ransom, you are pirating. When you ask for passage fee, you are privateering. If they dont comply, they get popped. Pirating is illegal. Privateering is legal.
Sounds like the same thing to me
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There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Forgon
The parts he didnt include was:
Victim: Iamruss
Alliance:
Corp:
Destroyed: Raven
System: B-VIP9
Security: 0.0
It occured in 0.0 so it is not "pirating".That was my point.And yes -V- pilots do ransom time to time,especially while camping gates.
Dont talk *******s. If a fish is in water, it is a fish, if it is out of water, it is a fish.
In both Empire and 0.0, ransoming is piracy.
Izo Azlion.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:35:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/06/2006 15:33:56
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Sorry Jenny, for all I know I could pay you and then another VI member could kill me. We are forming a Corp and Northern Intelligence will have to go into the never to be trusted category I'm afraid.
You aren't supposed to fly in V space anyway without positive standings.
So yes, if you're in the middle of V space, someone scrambles you and says: '20 mil isk, and I let you go!' e.g. a bored Jenny trying to have some fun and extort some isk, then it usually means, what she said: 'She lets you go.' and she probably gives a f**k, if you die 1 minute later by another V, or not. *grins at Jenny*
We are no pirate alliance and we have no ransom coordinator or something like that and no daily free-passage list.
We operate on NBSI, meaning we don't ask in alliance chat, if we can shoot someone or not
If we spot a neutral or red, we aren't supposed to ask or check twice, who that neutral is. Alli-order is that we can pull the trigger without hesitating, when we spot any neutral or red. So if I see a neutral, I don't ask, if anyone let him go for whatever reason a few minutes ago.
P.S.: I thought that's obvious anyway. I'm out of here now.
It is obvious yes, but the policy is we shoot and kill neutrals/red on overview, not allow them passage for a fee, we simply KILL them.....
CEO - Art of War |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
It is obvious yes, but the policy is we shoot and kill neutrals/red on overview, not allow them passage for a fee, we simply KILL them.....
So Jennys passage fees are just a scam then?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:40:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Dinique
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
When you ransom, you are pirating. When you ask for passage fee, you are privateering. If they dont comply, they get popped. Pirating is illegal. Privateering is legal.
Sounds like the same thing to me
Life of a pirate.
Fly everywhere in 0.0 to 0.4. Dont care whose space. See victims? Warp scram, web, shoot into hull. Extort ISKs.
Life of a privateer.
Only allowed to fight in places designated by alliance. E.g. alliance territory, enemy territory, etc. See victims? Kill on sight or warp scram, web, shoot into hull. Ask for ISKs.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:44:00 -
[98]
Originally by: SavageJohn
VETO arent honourable in my opinion.
Veto didnt give me an option of ransom when I got jumped by 4 of them in Katagumer complex a few weeks ago... They just went ahead and killed me.. END OF!!!
I lost my raven had a little moan about it and then got a new ship and played the "GAME" some more.
You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V-
Please remember people. EVE is a game at the end of the day.
Just drop it now, its pointless moaning about who was right or wrong.
This I found amusing.
Both VETO and Vertias Immortalis are quite entitled to blow your ship way. VETO does it because they are evil pirates, Vertias Immortalis does it if you trespass in their space without their permission.
Both are perfectly fine acts in EvE.
However, VETO keeps it word when given. And if something happens and a VETO pilot violates this, a EvEmail to the CEO will result in action to correct the matter.
Note that I do not like VETO: everytime I undock my ship VETO or a pirate corp like them is waiting somewhere to gank me, loot my stuff, and fiddle with my frozen corpse.
But I would trust VETO to keep its word once given.
I thought that 0.0 alliances like Vertias Immortalis also had a policy of keeping their word, and that equally a complaint against a VI pilot would also be swiftly dealt with.
Instead we have a jumble of excuses ranging from "We don't do that" to "suck it up idiots".
So they evil pirates can be trusted to keep their word and the mighty 0.0 alliance can't.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
It is obvious yes, but the policy is we shoot and kill neutrals/red on overview, not allow them passage for a fee, we simply KILL them.....
When I am soloing or in a group of two pilots, I try to ransom a bit. Makes the ISKs and it is caring. I really feel bad making them lose millions of ISKs and send them back 30 jumps away. Young players dont deserve to die in such a cold, harsh and cruel way. In groups, it is usually kill. Hard to tell ppl to stop or split ISKs.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:50:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Nebuli
It is obvious yes, but the policy is we shoot and kill neutrals/red on overview, not allow them passage for a fee, we simply KILL them.....
When I am soloing or in a group of two pilots, I try to ransom a bit. Makes the ISKs and it is caring. I really feel bad making them lose millions of ISKs and send them back 30 jumps away. Young players dont deserve to die in such a cold, harsh and cruel way. In groups, it is usually kill. Hard to tell ppl to stop or split ISKs.
Sorry Jenny, but thats pirating and V have a NO pirating policy, maybe a 0.0 alliance isnt for you? maybe a 0.4 pirating corp is?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
When I am soloing or in a group of two pilots, I try to ransom a bit. Makes the ISKs and it is caring. I really feel bad making them lose millions of ISKs and send them back 30 jumps away. Young players dont deserve to die in such a cold, harsh and cruel way. In groups, it is usually kill. Hard to tell ppl to stop or split ISKs.
Im sorry, but this is exacly what pirates do. We ransom when we have the option. Yet some of the Verita guys say you guys do NOT pirate, only kill. Think you need to have a talk about alliance policies.
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Celestial Manager
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: SavageJohn
You are now pointing fingers at -V-.. It was 4 members that blew this guys raven up. It was not a -V- "op" so stop *****ing about -V-
Why do people always say this? Why do they assume "it's only X people, don't blame the whole corp/alliance"? These pilots fly with your corp and alliance tags, they are representing you. Now if there was a way to "turn off" the tags to represent "non-working" hours, by all means.. Pilots fly with a tag, they represent the tag.. It's the one things the leaders of Alliances/Corporations have to deal with. If they don't care enough to do something about it, even if it's just an apology letter, then yes, we can catagorize Z alliance/corp like that :)
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: dralid
1) Ransom is ransom, and if paid should be honored, nomatter where the ransom takes place, empire or 0.0
2) NEVER pay ransom, NEVER!
Bad advice.
You lose. Do not pass go, do not collect 200.
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:07:00 -
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I am responsibile for this thread. I want to clear some things up and state the facts. I totally am at fault for trespassing their 'space' and they got me cornered fair and square. However when someone asks for a ransom, while at a gate with a warp bubble and a couple of friends, I of course paid in full the 10million they requested.
I warped in to leave, and they proceeded to just say "lag" in local and destroy my ship.
This may definately be the case, it would be understandable if it was indeed lag. But why not pay back the ransom? It was obvious that they all knew I paid, and that I was free to go. I found this to be quite shameful, and they were mostly laughing in local, which was an even bigger blow to the face on themselves.
I'm glad word has been spread regarding this incident. I guess my original intent of the thread has been accomplished. I really can careless about my ISK and ship loss. But I wanted to inform everyone that these pilots do not pay ransoms.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Iamruss
I am responsibile for this thread. I want to clear some things up and state the facts. I totally am at fault for trespassing their 'space' and they got me cornered fair and square. However when someone asks for a ransom, while at a gate with a warp bubble and a couple of friends, I of course paid in full the 10million they requested.
I warped in to leave, and they proceeded to just say "lag" in local and destroy my ship.
This may definately be the case, it would be understandable if it was indeed lag. But why not pay back the ransom? It was obvious that they all knew I paid, and that I was free to go. I found this to be quite shameful, and they were mostly laughing in local, which was an even bigger blow to the face on themselves.
I'm glad word has been spread regarding this incident. I guess my original intent of the thread has been accomplished. I really can careless about my ISK and ship loss. But I wanted to inform everyone that these pilots do not pay ransoms.
I recommend everyone to post threads like this. Good post.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:14:00 -
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I'm also an A-WAR ceo and I don't give a crap that neutrals get shot. HOWEVER, I do give a crap someone paid a ransom and then was killed. Incredibly lame.
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:24:00 -
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For the record, here is my chatlog (Copy and pasted directly form my logs folder):
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Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30000970),)
Channel Name: Local
Listener: Iamruss
Session started: 2006.06.23 02:08:42
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[ 2006.06.23 02:09:23 ] shhmee eeeeee > iamruss
[ 2006.06.23 02:09:27 ] shhmee eeeeee > 10mil to leave?
[ 2006.06.23 02:10:47 ] Iamruss > k
[ 2006.06.23 02:10:52 ] Iamruss > Who do I pay
[ 2006.06.23 02:11:04 ] shhmee eeeeee > me
[ 2006.06.23 02:11:16 ] Iamruss > ISK coming
[ 2006.06.23 02:11:39 ] Iamruss > ?
[ 2006.06.23 02:11:44 ] Iamruss > erm
[ 2006.06.23 02:12:10 ] Iamruss > Check your wallet please
[ 2006.06.23 02:12:18 ] shhmee eeeeee > lag
[ 2006.06.23 02:12:51 ] Iamruss > How nice of you
[ 2006.06.23 02:13:23 ] Iamruss > Pay back ISK?
[ 2006.06.23 02:13:39 ] shhmee eeeeee > 10mil and your pod can go
[ 2006.06.23 02:13:59 ] Iamruss > Pay back my orig 10 mill or be shamed on the forums
[ 2006.06.23 02:14:04 ] Iamruss > and eve pirate
[ 2006.06.23 02:14:14 ] shhmee eeeeee > look at me bio
[ 2006.06.23 02:14:24 ] shhmee eeeeee > repent repent repent
[ 2006.06.23 02:14:30 ] shhmee eeeeee > i dont know what they ment
[ 2006.06.23 02:14:40 ] Iamruss > Eh, I wont post anything
[ 2006.06.23 02:14:46 ] Iamruss > Just will give you publicity
[ 2006.06.23 02:15:02 ] shhmee eeeeee > i'm all about the fame
[ 2006.06.23 02:15:19 ] Iamruss > You ruin it for all pirates
[ 2006.06.23 02:15:25 ] Iamruss > Thats why nobody pays anything
[ 2006.06.23 02:15:33 ] Iamruss > gj, bye
[ 2006.06.23 02:15:51 ] shhmee eeeeee > you ruin it for people who pay :)
[ 2006.06.23 02:16:57 ] Iamruss > The thing is, the least you can do is repay the isk.
[ 2006.06.23 02:17:22 ] Iamruss > But since you declined, that obviously means you have to etiqutte, and you ruin it for all the pirates in this game.
[ 2006.06.23 02:17:30 ] Krimsonblade > Least you could do is stay out of V space
[ 2006.06.23 02:17:51 ] Iamruss > So I would gladly pay 10mill to make this game just a little bit worse for all the pirates
[ 2006.06.23 02:17:55 ] Iamruss > gj
[ 2006.06.23 02:17:56 ] Boneyard > you obviously had an insta or you wouldnt have waited till you were at the gate
[ 2006.06.23 02:18:08 ] Iamruss > I came in 100km out
[ 2006.06.23 02:18:16 ] Iamruss > I knew you guys were there
[ 2006.06.23 02:18:22 ] Iamruss > Scanner is a wonderful thing, I paid and you said thanks....
[ 2006.06.23 02:18:41 ] shhmee eeeeee > you were on insta till the bubble was up
[ 2006.06.23 02:18:46 ] Iamruss > insta?
[ 2006.06.23 02:18:50 ] Iamruss > I was 100km form the gate
[ 2006.06.23 02:18:52 ] shhmee eeeeee > shut up
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:03 ] Iamruss > shame
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:10 ] Iamruss > you guys are all shame
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:20 ] shhmee eeeeee > shame you whare stabs
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:22 ] Amarr knight > i am not a pirate
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:25 ] Amarr knight > i just kill ppl
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:30 ] Iamruss > blah blah blah
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:42 ] Iamruss > You asked for a ransom, the pilot paid.
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:48 ] Iamruss > Yet you still killed the pilot.
[ 2006.06.23 02:19:58 ] Iamruss > Period.
[ 2006.06.23 02:20:33 ] shhmee eeeeee > i'm not a crok
[ 2006.06.23 02:20:36 ] shhmee eeeeee > crook
[ 2006.06.23 02:20:45 ] Iamruss > I paid before I even warped.
[ 2006.06.23 02:20:55 ] Amarr knight > iamruss
[ 2006.06.23 02:21:05 ] Amarr knight > petition so that u can get ur ship back
[ 2006.06.23 02:21:08 ] Amarr knight > 2006.06.23 02:12:33 combat Your Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I is well aimed at Iamruss [DROTS], inflicting 1286.6 damage.
[ 2006.06.23 02:21:11 ] Amarr knight > this is a bug
[ 2006.06.23 02:21:15 ] Iamruss > Obviously I wont get my ISK back, so have fun ruining the game for future pilots. bye
[ 2006.06.23 02:21:28 ] Amarr knight > read what i said
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:28:00 -
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Dude, read what he said.
How did his gun do this;
[ 2006.06.23 02:21:08 ] Amarr knight > 2006.06.23 02:12:33 combat Your Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I is well aimed at Iamruss [DROTS], inflicting 1286.6 damage.
I don't get that dmg in my zealot with t2 ammo and 3 dmg mods.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 16:32:22
This "shhmee eeeeee" guy seems to be about 13 years old, acting like that.
Are chat logs permitted here btw?
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:36:00 -
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Also for everyone to see. Here is the Screenshot of me sending the ISK.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/iamrussok/isklog.jpg
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:40:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/06/2006 16:42:31
Originally by: Jim McGregor
This "shhmee eeeeee" guy seems to be about 13 years old, acting like that.
Agreed. I'm amazed an alliance that I would normally trust (-V-) would even accept such a member. Its probably the new corps, as they said.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Are chat logs permitted here btw?
Don't think there's a rule againt them.
And Pepperami, about the damage: it sounds like a bug to me. There's a little-known bug that classifies as an exploit (I believe) but it doesn't appear to be replicable, so people have generally posted about it. When it occurs, one's guns have far higher damage mods than normal: I know of a dual light pulse laser II wrecking for 570 damage, for example. MAXsuicide also has a video of him killing BSs and the like in a bugged rupture.
I do have reports of a way to replicate this every time, but unless its proven that the Zealot pilot was actively using such a cheat (which I will obviously not post here), I don't think there's anything you can do about it.
On the other hand, I know people whose ships got reimbursed because of this.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami
Dude, read what he said.
How did his gun do this;
[ 2006.06.23 02:21:08 ] Amarr knight > 2006.06.23 02:12:33 combat Your Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I is well aimed at Iamruss [DROTS], inflicting 1286.6 damage.
I don't get that dmg in my zealot with t2 ammo and 3 dmg mods.
Amarr Knight is one of yours?
Have you spoken to Amarr Knight?
Asked him for his chat logs?
My guess is that this is a weak attempt to say "dude, I only fired one shot, blame the lag, and you can't have your money back."
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Palx
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:46:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Pepperami
Dude, read what he said.
How did his gun do this;
[ 2006.06.23 02:21:08 ] Amarr knight > 2006.06.23 02:12:33 combat Your Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I is well aimed at Iamruss [DROTS], inflicting 1286.6 damage.
I don't get that dmg in my zealot with t2 ammo and 3 dmg mods.
That happens if you're hp is negative
ie, you've turned off plates, you ejected (skills etc) and sometimes even when they are just about to die it happens - I ahd it the other day
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:49:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Pepperami
I'm also an A-WAR ceo and I don't give a crap that neutrals get shot. HOWEVER, I do give a crap someone paid a ransom and then was killed. Incredibly lame.
You win. Think most of us aren't happy that they didn't keep their word and didn't let him go after saying so.
( All the other stuff about privateering vs. pirating and what V alliance orders are and if they have been followed by 100% or only by 99% in the past is not something to discuss here IMHO. )
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:50:00 -
[115]
Lemme clear something up here;
This is an issue with the person you paid isk too, not the rest of the gang, or the alliance. By saying the corps you listed don't respect ransoms, you're saying that they actually ransom. Our corp and our alliance do not have this policy, we just blow you up. That's the V policy on this matter.
Instead of first going to the corp/alliance leadership, you decided to splash it all over the forums. Prefering to throw your e-peen around rather than actually dealing with the situation.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:03:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Pepperami
Lemme clear something up here;
This is an issue with the person you paid isk too, not the rest of the gang, or the alliance. By saying the corps you listed don't respect ransoms, you're saying that they actually ransom. Our corp and our alliance do not have this policy, we just blow you up. That's the V policy on this matter.
Instead of first going to the corp/alliance leadership, you decided to splash it all over the forums. Prefering to throw your e-peen around rather than actually dealing with the situation.
Let me clear something up....
People from your corp and your alliance were pirating and dishonouring ransoms.
Then more people from your corp and your alliance came on and said that it was ok, in one case just after their CEO said it wasn't.
Nor have you produced any evidence to refute the OPs claims.
Nor have you refunded the money paid to a member of your corp for a dishonoured ransom.
Nor - with the exception of Nebuli - have we seen any indication that V alliance policies will be enforced, nor that Corps/Pilots would fragrantly violate those policies will be in any way disciplined.
I seriously expected that either the OP would be proved to be a liar, or someone in V would fix this matter in short order.
Instead all the lies and disfunction have been paraded on the forum for everyones education and amusement.
By all means "discuss" the problems in private, but if you don't fix this problem publicly VI becomes the posterboy for all that is wrong with 0.0 alliances.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:06:00 -
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Will personaly repay the ransom amount myself when I log in next later this evening.
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:06:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Iamruss on 23/06/2006 17:10:36
Originally by: Pepperami
I don't care what shhmee said, that guy's obviously a retard and I'll be speaking to his ceo soon.
Well, in all honesty. Amarr Knight was the only one to actually not gloat or anything. But still, he was associated with his gang, and he has to take responsibility on who he flies with and does business with.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:13:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Iamruss
Edited by: Iamruss on 23/06/2006 17:10:36
Originally by: Pepperami
I don't care what shhmee said, that guy's obviously a retard and I'll be speaking to his ceo soon.
Well, in all honesty. Amarr Knight was the only one to actually not gloat or anything. But still, he was associated with his gang, and he has to take responsibility on who he flies with and does business with.
TBH, AK is a very nice shoot to kill person. He was just doing his duty i.e. shooting hostiles at 0.0 borders. He was in a gang with someone else. He doesnt need to take responsibility. Only gang leader needs to.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:15:00 -
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Damn, those logs aresome intresting reading.
That Shmeee reject tried to claim that he lagged out for 2 minutes, jusdging by that log and your screenshot. (2 mins passed between you transfering the ISK and them popping the Raven)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 17:19:31
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
So they evil pirates can be trusted to keep their word and the mighty 0.0 alliance can't.
Pirates are real nice people most of the time actually. Except when they fiddle with my corpse. I hate that.
And Veritas are right about one thing... this dishonorable ransom thing was the act of one childish pilot and he will be dealt with. So justice will be served in the end.
The forums are mightier than any weapon in eve.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:21:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Pepperami on 23/06/2006 17:21:56
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
By all means "discuss" the problems in private, but if you don't fix this problem publicly VI becomes the posterboy for all that is wrong with 0.0 alliances.
I believe you need to get a grip. He's basing actions of a gang, corp, alliance, on the actions of one guy.
Our rules are simple; you come into our space without standings, we shoot you. This shhmee guy ransoms is the only one here who is definately at fault here. This guy (the OP) should of been destroyed and not ransomed, so I'm glad he was, I'm not happy someone(1 person) was asking for isk.
For those that missed the point;
come into veritas space, expect to be killed, do not expect to be ransomed.
And using one guy who is less than a week into this alliance and breaks rule to judge an alliance is folly.
You may aswell call all bob exploiters, all iss people who put pos up without permission, all FA people who shoot friendlies, All fix forum *****s, all D2 cartiff, all RA alliance bitter. All of which are lies.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:21:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Nebuli
Will personaly repay the ransom amount myself when I log in next later this evening.
4TW
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:22:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Nebuli
Will personaly repay the ransom amount myself when I log in next later this evening.
A man of honour. You have my respect. I feel sorry that you had to return to face this.
For the other CEOs.
Quote:
It has come to our attention that the OP has claimed that four VI pilots ransomed him and then proceeded to destroy his ship.
The V alliance does NOT permit it members to engage and PIRACY nor RANSOMING.
We threrfore will not accept the OPs claims unless proven (please provide evidence).
We will investigate this incident and will speak with the four pilots involved.
If the OPs claims are correct, the ransom will be refunded. However, as the OP was a trespasser, his ship and modules were rightly destroyed.
It has also come to our attention that a few V members have posted that they also engage in activities not permitted by V. All members will be reminded of V's policies, and those who refuse to comply with them will be expelled.
XXXX CEO
Keep it on file.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:30:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 23/06/2006 17:31:54
Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 23/06/2006 17:31:19
Originally by: Pepperami
I believe you need to get a grip. He's basing actions of a gang, corp, alliance, on the actions of one guy.
No I am not. Go back to page 1 and start reading and you'll find other members of your alliance admitting that they pirate and ransom as well.
Accept responsiblity and realise that for what ever reason pirates have joined your alliance and have been operating unchecked.
You had a perfect right to destroy the OP's ship - no one disputes that, not even the OP. But cut the head in the sand routine and look at the others in your alliance who have admitted to piracy and ransoming.
One case = an exception. Multiple cases = poor leadership or dishonesty.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:38:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Pepperami on 23/06/2006 17:40:47
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
No I am not. Go back to page 1 and start reading and you'll find other members of your alliance admitting that they pirate and ransom as well.
Yes, I read that, that does not concern me in the respect that they honoured whatever ransom they gave. I think all those that know me I have no problem with pirating at all, and I'd be quite happy to have V as a true nbsi alliance (or pirate alliance, they're the same to me). But this isn't what the thread is about.
I only have issues with people who don't honour ransoms, which is the WHOLE POINT of this thread. No?
But anyway, AS V stands, Don't expect to be ransomed as we will blow you up.
(edit; to stop it looking like a mong)
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:45:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Pepperami
Edited by: Pepperami on 23/06/2006 17:40:47
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
No I am not. Go back to page 1 and start reading and you'll find other members of your alliance admitting that they pirate and ransom as well.
Yes, I read that, that does not concern me in the respect that they honoured whatever ransom they gave. I think all those that know me I have no problem with pirating at all, and I'd be quite happy to have V as a true nbsi alliance (or pirate alliance, they're the same to me). But this isn't what the thread is about.
I only have issues with people who don't honour ransoms, which is the WHOLE POINT of this thread. No?
But anyway, AS V stands, Don't expect to be ransomed as we will blow you up.
(edit; to stop it looking like a mong)
Quote:
Hang on a minute, slow down here for one second.
Now I have been on a sebatical for a month or two, but have been a member of V for over a year now, and CEO of this corp since itys inception, one of those 4 pilots is in my corp and I WILL be having a chat to see wtf is going on.
The two guys replying on this thread from V, and no disrespect are pilots I have never met and have no idea who they are so can only assume they are new members to V, so in all honesty what they have been saying is FAR from what V is about, please do not tar V with a brush by what these people are saying.
Now this is for everyone in this thread INCLUDING the V members, we DO NOT PIRATE, WE DO NOT RANSOM, EVER, IT IS NOT WHO WE ARE.
Their is a strict no piracy policy in this alliance, now one of those pilots is from my own corp, and shall be getting the other side of the story because frankly I dont believe a word of this, Iamruss, ie RUS corp by any chance? is this a RED alt? honostly are you just trying to get some cheap proporganda going here?
In my entire time in V I have NEVER known anyone pirate, ever, under any circumstances, it is made VERY clear that we dont do this and expulsion from the alliance can and will result from it.
Those guys in V in this thread saying we sometimes ransom, I'm sorry but if your corp does this regularly I will personaly push to have you and your corp removed, this is not the actions of our honorable alliance and frankly I'm a little disgusted anyone would ever post such a thing.
So are you a pirate alliance or not? Who is going to quit, you or your CEO?
The strawman arguments you keep raising are amusing, but it is obvious that Vs problems go far far deeper than just some tard dishonouring a ransom.
You guys don't know what you stand for or what your policies are.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:48:00 -
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Hello clueless, we operate with 4 CEOs in A-WAR, me being one of them. Oh yeah, I'm alliance HC aswell.
Like I said, personally it doesn't concern me, what they are doing. I simply do not care. I only stated Veritas rules are to blow you up.
OH MY GOD TWO PEOPLE IN THE SAME CORP DON'T SHARE EXACTLY THE SAME VIEWS.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 17:58:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Pepperami
OH MY GOD TWO PEOPLE IN THE SAME CORP DON'T SHARE EXACTLY THE SAME VIEWS.
Thats why alts are so good.
No, seriously, I think you guys have explained the situation and there is not much more to be done in this thread now.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:01:00 -
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As Pepp pointed out we are both CEOs of our corp.
Also we dont share the exact same ideas on alot of things, thats a good thing, Pepp doesnt mind pirating I on the other dislike it, but our personal views are not what is in question, we are both members of V and we both fly under the same rules, those rules are we kill anyone who is negative or of neutral standing in our space, we do not ransom, we kill, both of us are on the same page on this as its what the alliance rules are.
Also having seen that chat logs and knowing Amarr Knight for some time I'm quite happy he was not part of this ransom, he took no part in it and even told the guy that he shot him way over what he should have and to contact ccp about this to possible recieve a reinbursement.
This whole thing to me appears to be a handfull of new pilots to V that are either muppets or dont know the rules, or choose to ignore them, or all of these things combined, it will be looked into and appropriate action will be taken, this I am very confident of.
Also in future please contact CEOs of members involved or contact Light Darkness or someone within the alliance in a high position when things like this occur, they are VERY rare, in fact I can only remember one incident similar to this where the guy that got shot publicaly appolagised as he was wrong, please people remember we arent a new kid on the block alliance and have operated a long time with no problems like this occuring before, this is a rogue element only and not an alliance wide problem.
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:16:00 -
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nebuli seems like a good chap. But some of the early -V- responses on page 2 were a little bleh
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PriceCheckMax
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 18:19:45
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
So are you a pirate alliance or not? Who is going to quit, you or your CEO?
The strawman arguments you keep raising are amusing, but it is obvious that Vs problems go far far deeper than just some tard dishonouring a ransom.
You guys don't know what you stand for or what your policies are.
So are you a alt or not? Who is your main, do you even remember it?
The arguments you keep raising are amusing, but it is obvious that you have inner problems that far far deeper than just some tard dishonouring a ransom.
You and your corp/alliance don't know what you stand for or what your policies are!!!
Oh, I am an alt too!!!!
ALTS FOR THE WIN!!!
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:20:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Pepperami on 23/06/2006 18:21:54
edited;
Ahhhh original misleading ;)
my appologies :)
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PriceCheckMax
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:21:00 -
[134]
Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 18:21:25
Originally by: Pepperami
Wrong alt, max?
?
just me being an idiot and not seeing the preview, edited for now
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funni
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:25:00 -
[135]
At the end of the day.. it is highly recommended you stay out of 0.0 space unless your going to join an alliance, if you do not plan to do so then perhaps working up to level IV missions is your gig..
You also knew of the dangers as you were using WCS's....
Regardless of the ransoming and payment issue, or the pirate issue, from your post showing your payment of the ransom it is quite obvious that you were ratting in their space.. they were well within their rights to kill your ship and pod.. albeit the ransom was a bit low.. so on that note I have no comment.
however, perhaps you should repay the isk you received while ratting.. that seems fair..
O, and as your string first started..
quote..
Anyway, I'm not crying. I can always replace what I lost. I just want the public to know, dont ever pay money to anyone in the following corporations: Damage Unlimited Inc, Art of War, or Mortis Angelus......
As a rule, don't pay a ransom to anyone ransoming you in 0.0... the ONLY way you will be safe if not in the alliance.. is if your stealth.. or blue..
end of story..
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:27:00 -
[136]
Originally by: PriceCheckMax
Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 18:21:25
Originally by: Pepperami
Wrong alt, max?
?
just me being an idiot and not seeing the preview, edited for now
This is amsuing, being acused of being an alt by an alt.
No, Maximillian Pele is my main. I don't need to hide behind alts.
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Lord Spidey
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:30:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Nebuli
those rules are we kill anyone who is negative or of neutral standing in our space, we do not ransom, we kill, both of us are on the same page on this as its what the alliance rules are.
Well if i run into jenny sounds like shell ransom me @ least.
Good show returning the isk though
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:32:00 -
[138]
Originally by: PriceCheckMax
Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 18:19:45
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
So are you a pirate alliance or not? Who is going to quit, you or your CEO?
The strawman arguments you keep raising are amusing, but it is obvious that Vs problems go far far deeper than just some tard dishonouring a ransom.
You guys don't know what you stand for or what your policies are.
So are you a alt or not? Who is your main, do you even remember it?
The arguments you keep raising are amusing, but it is obvious that you have inner problems that far far deeper than just some tard dishonouring a ransom.
You and your corp/alliance don't know what you stand for or what your policies are!!!
Oh, I am an alt too!!!!
ALTS FOR THE WIN!!!
Read my post please, just because some new pilots are either muppets or dont follow or know the rules doesnt mean the entire alliance are the same does it?
And our corp and its leaders are fully aware of the policys thankyou very much, and their has been no contradiction on them, only personal views that some people dont mind pirating, that is far from actualy doing it.
No one ransoms anyone in the alliance or our corp, and if they do then actions are taken to stop it.
Reading comprehension 4tw tbh, I will say it one more time just in case you didnt spot it the multiple times before, V operates a no pirating policy, we dont pirate.
CEO - Art of War |
PriceCheckMax
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:40:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: PriceCheckMax
Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 18:19:45
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
So are you a pirate alliance or not? Who is going to quit, you or your CEO?
The strawman arguments you keep raising are amusing, but it is obvious that Vs problems go far far deeper than just some tard dishonouring a ransom.
You guys don't know what you stand for or what your policies are.
So are you a alt or not? Who is your main, do you even remember it?
The arguments you keep raising are amusing, but it is obvious that you have inner problems that far far deeper than just some tard dishonouring a ransom.
You and your corp/alliance don't know what you stand for or what your policies are!!!
Oh, I am an alt too!!!!
ALTS FOR THE WIN!!!
Read my post please, just because some new pilots are either muppets or dont follow or know the rules doesnt mean the entire alliance are the same does it?
And our corp and its leaders are fully aware of the policys thankyou very much, and their has been no contradiction on them, only personal views that some people dont mind pirating, that is far from actualy doing it.
No one ransoms anyone in the alliance or our corp, and if they do then actions are taken to stop it.
Reading comprehension 4tw tbh, I will say it one more time just in case you didnt spot it the multiple times before, V operates a no pirating policy, we dont pirate.
Ugh?
I was only blaming(not that I am any better) maximillian pele to be a alt? Infact, I don't think my post has anything to do with VI, or ... ?
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:44:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Pepperami on 23/06/2006 18:44:02
Poor prizecheckmax, I think both neb and I were so used to people unknown to V to take an opertunity to express their dislike to us/0.0 alliances/corporations/gangs/oil prices/socks/whatever else, that every post is initially taken as trolling us and we're biting too eagerly.
Makes for an amusing read tho, I'm sure.
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:54:00 -
[141]
Guys guys guys, instead of flaming us here come to 1v- and start shooting
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:28:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/06/2006 19:28:54
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
No I am not. Go back to page 1 and start reading and you'll find other members of your alliance admitting that they pirate and ransom as well.
You are exaggerating. If you mean people like me: All I said that I know that 2 or 3 pods were ransomed just for fun at an entry point in 0.0.
I don't remember, if they accepted or not, but I remember that noone was killed after he paid. That was maybe 2 months ago. I've joined dozens of gate camps and this was the exception !
And yes, although it wasn't my idea to ransom a pod, I found it quite funny at that time !
Quote:
Accept responsiblity and realise that for what ever reason pirates have joined your alliance and have been operating unchecked.
I wouldn't call this serious professional piracy.
The problem here is that someone paid a ransom and got killed by V.
That's the reason, why the OP has the right to ask question and why he deserves answer.
He payed and got killed => something went extremly wrong.
But as long as V members follow a common denominator of honourable behaviour, I think our alliance rules and that they are followed are mostly an internal issue that has to be dealt with.
Especially when WE are in OUR territory and YOU are neutral or hostile, you shouldn't be able to demand anything more than that we try to act honorable when we kill you.
Everything else is imho our internal buisiness. If you get always podded or can buy your way out in our space is a thing that the leaderships has to decide. I don't think that the opinion of outsiders is of any importance.
Quote:
One case = an exception. Multiple cases = poor leadership or dishonesty.
I know only of this case so far where a victim has a point and reason to complain !
If a V guy pinned you down in V territory and let you go for a ransom, then you should be happy that the V guy didn't follow alliance orders and didn't kill you !
That he gave you the option is again an internal problem that should be dealt with internally. It's not anyones buisiness except V's buisiness imho.
Like I said, I agree that the OP has a valid point, but some of the other replies here went just too far.
You can demand honorable behavour and that we avoid mistakes, but beyond that the rules in V space are our own buisiness.
P.S.: This was all my personal opinion and now I'm out of here and logging in to read my eve mails. Maybe I'm also already a convicted V-pirate without knowing it.
On the next aliance issue of this sort, I won't comment anyway. The reaction like: "OMG , V has been invaded by pirates, leadership has lost control ..." etc. are really ridiculous imho.
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Mineral Inquisitor
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:33:00 -
[143]
After reading this thread I've found that my opinion of pirates has changed for the better.
(No interest in becoming one myself however; I find mining and manufacturing stuff to be far too fun. )
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:51:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
The issue will be taken care of - Personnaly by me!
Go iceblock, its your birthday
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:58:00 -
[145]
As for VI, the earlier responses by your guys in this thread were poor, but you've got better and better since
I'm glad you are talking this so seriously, and dealing with it.
As for the culprits, Amarr Knight seems OK, the others less so, and if I were involved in command of VI, I'd kick shhmee eeeeee for being an embarrassment to the human race.
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Calculon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:33:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Calculon on 23/06/2006 20:33:41
Honestly, people shouldn't really expect anything different from Damage Unlimited and Mortis Angelus. They've acted in this manner for as long as I've flown with, and later against them, and to think that they would change upon joining -V- is folly.
Kudos to Nebuli and the rest of the mature -V- that have posted in this thread that such actions are NOT what -V- stands for. In that regard my respect for -V- has gone up, despite the inclusion of people like Krimsonblade, shhmee, and the like.
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Rikeka
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:52:00 -
[147]
/me wonders if the ransom has been returned.
- What I hate?
-Men in female characters.
-More to come.
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Mirirar
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Posted - 2006.06.23 22:25:00 -
[148]
Hahaha... way to go Bone and Krim. :)
How's it working out in the new neighbourhood?
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.23 23:34:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Rikeka
/me wonders if the ransom has been returned.
I dont say things for the hell of it, if I say I'm going to do something I do it, this case was no different.
CEO - Art of War |
Boneyard
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:23:00 -
[150]
I wasn't gonna post in this thread but I went to work for a few hours and stewed. Id like to point out something that I think is relevant since I have been accused of several things...mostly of not keeping my word. In fact I believe its Iamruss who didnt keep his.
First of all it was a joke of a ransom that was put in local by someone spur of the moment. Iamruss said OK . Then the following happened.
1. Iamruss attempted to insta out without paying.
2006.06.23 02:11:12 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
This was me targeting him when he appeared at the Egbinger gate getting pulled in by a medium bubble.
2. Iamruss sees he is trapped and dead to rights in a warp bubble and states the following.
2006.06.23 02:11:16 ] Iamruss > ISK coming
This was clearly after he arrived at the gate. Further evidence of him paying after trying to insta out can be seen in the pic of his wallet. Seeing his Raven going down he hurridley tries to now pay the 10 mill ransom and makes two mistakes. Pays 1 mill initially then 10 mill after that. If he prepaid before warping in why did he make two mistakes?
Clearly if there is an agreement then two sides should keep their word. Iamruss didn't. Im actually a bit surprised noone pointed this out before 6 pages of accusations. If I get ransomed and stall or try to get away what do you think should happen?
The only matter left is the ransom in the first place and why not repay the ransom itself. It was talked about but after seeing Iamruss go on and on in local we decided to keep his isk. As I said the ransom was a joke in the first place. Obviously -V- leadership is upset with it and I accept any decision they hand down internally. I will not sit by while someone says my word is no good.
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Tityana
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:58:00 -
[151]
tsk tsk bad bad pirates!
i dont agree with their actions, pirate or no pirate and agreement should always be honoured! This also applies to the phantom 1v1! say it ... honor it!
Dont bother me..SHOPPING!
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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.06.24 01:29:00 -
[152]
Ah..so it finally comes out that -V- ,although presenting a public front against piracy,actively sponsors it and appears to condone it.
There have been several points made in this thread...let's see if we can address them..
1/To the pilot who said GW is owned by -V-..erm..no..it's disputed territory...with a resistance made up of various corps and allies fighting against -V- and their coalition forces.
2/To the CEO of Art of War...Erm...I applaud that you don't support piracy or condone it...but have you checked out Kaar's recent kills...including neutrals in Empire?
3/To Ms Spitfire...you say you privateer....seems that what you actually do is demand protection money/passage fees just like pirates.
So..it would seem that -V- anti-pirate stance is but an illusion..they willingly take pirates into their Alliance,fly with them and sponsor them....
Tharsis Security for example...-V- sponsored...and well known for pirating,or attempting it,in Molden Heath.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.24 01:51:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Ah..so it finally comes out that -V- ,although presenting a public front against piracy,actively sponsors it and appears to condone it.
There have been several points made in this thread...let's see if we can address them..
1/To the pilot who said GW is owned by -V-..erm..no..it's disputed territory...with a resistance made up of various corps and allies fighting against -V- and their coalition forces.
2/To the CEO of Art of War...Erm...I applaud that you don't support piracy or condone it...but have you checked out Kaar's recent kills...including neutrals in Empire?
3/To Ms Spitfire...you say you privateer....seems that what you actually do is demand protection money/passage fees just like pirates.
So..it would seem that -V- anti-pirate stance is but an illusion..they willingly take pirates into their Alliance,fly with them and sponsor them....
Tharsis Security for example...-V- sponsored...and well known for pirating,or attempting it,in Molden Heath.
Some facts.
1. So you prefer me to grief and pod? Asking for fees is caring. You help to save them time in buying new ship and jumping every where to get equip.
2. -V- does not pirate. -V- is anti-pirate. Privateering is different. We are at war. Any target found or assumed to be helping enemies are allowed to be privateered IMHO. There are differences between pirates and privateers. Privateers dont randomly go kill anyone.
3. I have to agree with Damage corp. OP didnt pay before trying to move away from -V- space. OP only paid after landing on a bubble. Chance was given IMHO. If he had paid, I guessed he would have flew away safely. He only paid because he was caught in a bubble and got shocked. Paid fee quickly. Under the circumstance, I would just pop him not because I didnt honour the fee but because he tried to run a gate block.
Moral of the story. Dont try to run a gate block. Pay first not later. If you run a gate block, it is a harsh penalty through the use of lethal force. HTH.
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RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.24 01:58:00 -
[154]
foun+da+tion (foun-dā'shən)
n.
1. The act of founding, especially the establishment of an institution with provisions for future maintenance.
2. The basis on which a thing stands, is founded, or is supported. See synonyms at base1.
3. A bitter, dead, alliance. Lost the only thing going for it when duck dogers left. You'd never see him trolling the forums, I miss duck, I should go visit him. Duck's great. We love him.
If you wish to just have a dig at us, feel free.. But please back it up ingame, do us that justice!
If people have issues with V ingame, contact the leadership, ingame (which the op yet to bother with - I'd first of contacted the CEOs, I'd of thought that was at least curteous.. The youth of today ). Running to the forums are fun and all that, but the trouble is it even appears that the OP doesn't exactly seem to be fully honest with us. And it appears that we've aquired the odd muppet, no biggy, if they don't change then they'll be vetted out, just like everywhere else.
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Ozmodan
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:04:00 -
[155]
This is a very interesting thread. It is kind of sad to read some of the replies though.
First off, I see so many comments that this is "just a game". Really now. Let me explain something to you ill informed people, a MMORPG is not just a game. Your character lives in a community, what you do directly effects others in the community permanently. This is not a console game or a FPS where everything starts over soon as you turn the game off.
Every time you do something that effects others, you have to consider how does it affect your standing in the community. You people may scoff at such a thought, but it is very true. Once you get a black mark on your name, it is darn hard to get it off.
The rules in Eve is that there are few rules. No one disputes that there is risk around every corner, via scams, pirates, etc. It is part of the game and I would not advocate changing any of it. Some of you want to view it as little consequence as in this case where a ransome is taken and then the person is killed anyway. Well, you are in a very small minority. The community views actions such as this as purely griefing. The community here is the judge, not the game rules. You want to be particularly nasty, it is your perogative, but don't come whining on the boards that your honor should not be impinged when the game allows you to take such actions.
Take this Veritas Immortalis corp, from reading the comments of it's members it is clearly easy to see they are a completely dishonorable group. No matter how they try to color their actions, they still did the deed and they seem quite content to let matters stand as is. They should never ever be trusted and if you are in an alliance with them, I suggest you watch your back, because they have no compunctions about doing anything they like, when it suits them. A bunch of clueless people playing a MMORPG they have no understanding of. nor care to.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:30:00 -
[156]
With all due respect, you haven't read the thread, because you'd read that
1) the guy was in our space so should simply of been blown up.
2) We're actually not a corp, but a very well established alliance.
3) We've a long history (16 months?) of not tollerating lame behaviour, I think we've done well, 2 incidents on the forum, first one was retracted with an appology, this is the 2nd.
4) The OP has had evidence contrary to what he claims; sly comment in local, he tried to escape, failed, got blown up and somewhere in that period tried to pay, lameness in local from both parties, isk was not returned.
5) Our engagements rules guarentee only one thing, if you're blue, we won't shoot you. Everyone else is a target.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:31:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Ozmodan
This is a very interesting thread. It is kind of sad to read some of the replies though.
First off, I see so many comments that this is "just a game". Really now. Let me explain something to you ill informed people, a MMORPG is not just a game. Your character lives in a community, what you do directly effects others in the community permanently. This is not a console game or a FPS where everything starts over soon as you turn the game off.
Every time you do something that effects others, you have to consider how does it affect your standing in the community. You people may scoff at such a thought, but it is very true. Once you get a black mark on your name, it is darn hard to get it off.
The rules in Eve is that there are few rules. No one disputes that there is risk around every corner, via scams, pirates, etc. It is part of the game and I would not advocate changing any of it. Some of you want to view it as little consequence as in this case where a ransome is taken and then the person is killed anyway. Well, you are in a very small minority. The community views actions such as this as purely griefing. The community here is the judge, not the game rules. You want to be particularly nasty, it is your perogative, but don't come whining on the boards that your honor should not be impinged when the game allows you to take such actions.
Take this Veritas Immortalis corp, from reading the comments of it's members it is clearly easy to see they are a completely dishonorable group. No matter how they try to color their actions, they still did the deed and they seem quite content to let matters stand as is. They should never ever be trusted and if you are in an alliance with them, I suggest you watch your back, because they have no compunctions about doing anything they like, when it suits them. A bunch of clueless people playing a MMORPG they have no understanding of. nor care to.
Wasnt going to post anymore on this thread, but this just has to be replyed to.
First off, grow a spine, post with your main.
Ssecond, wtf do you know about me, my friends and my corp? I'll tell you what you know sweet FA, so dont you come on here with your big mouth running people down you dont know anything about.
The alliance has alot of corps and members, and we have a couple of bad apples, that doesnt mean the entire bloody alliance is the same does it.
Lets give a real world example, a man in London shoots another man with no provocation, does that mean that every man in London is a murderer?
You tell me I dont know anything about MMOs or this game, you might want to first check my corp history, oh look 2003 player, oh look never been in a pirate corp.
I have never pirated, never have I ever asked someone for ISK so I wont kill them, these things I dont personaly like but are part of this game so I have no ill will to anyone who follows this route, thats the beauty of EVE.
Let me also point out I have played probably a good 60% of all mmos out there, including obscure Korean type ones, my JOB (before I got ill, unrelated) was a QA technician for Codemasters, a game tester, I have played games since I was 8 years old and you have the ******* cheak to come on here and say that I dont know anything about EVE or MMos and I'm clueless?
My friend you frankly are a moron.
CEO - Art of War |
Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:35:00 -
[158]
He is a 15 day old main, i looked him up, hence he got 'with all due respect' in my post ^^
[Art of War][- V -] |
Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:38:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Nebuli on 24/06/2006 02:40:38
15 days in the game and thinks he knows it all.....
Sorry for my last post but this guy realy wound me up, lets label a whole swathe of people due to the actions of 1 or 2 and call them all clueless
I would also like to know how you know we are happy to let this continue and are doing nothing about it, are you a V ceo? are you on the HC and been discussing this issue, I'll save you the answer NO.
PS I might make an exception to you m8, I feel my first act of piracy coming up....
CEO - Art of War |
Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:41:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Iamruss
Originally by: Rikeka
/me wonders if the ransom has been returned.
That's a negative. I still haven't been reimbersed.
But I think the damage has been done. And hopefully this dishonoring thing doesnt happen again .
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:41:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Rikeka
/me wonders if the ransom has been returned.
That's a negative. I still haven't been reimbersed.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:42:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Nebuli on 24/06/2006 02:43:45
Originally by: Iamruss
Originally by: Rikeka
/me wonders if the ransom has been returned.
That's a negative. I still haven't been reimbersed.
Then I think you need to check your wallet, properly, if you wish I'll post a picture of my wallet clearly showing payment made to you.....
And dishonor that you speak of would be lieing about payment being made to gain more public sympathy, any respect I had for you as an individual is fast going downhill here, I strongly urge you to check that wallet of yours again....
CEO - Art of War |
Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:44:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Iamruss on 24/06/2006 02:47:37
nt
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:47:00 -
[164]
Iamruss, do you still deny that you have recieved any ISK as I'm about to make you look very silly if you persist here, I urge you to fess up here....
CEO - Art of War |
Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:48:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Iamruss on 24/06/2006 02:51:56
Ransom was indeed paid back.
Thanks to Nebuli
Art of War CEO
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.24 03:02:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Nebuli
PS I might make an exception to you m8, I feel my first act of piracy coming up....
The sleazebag is currently at Madomi V - Moon 6 - Ministry of War Information Center station in the Reya constellation of Genesis region.
[Art of War][- V -] |
Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.24 03:10:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Iamruss
Edited by: Iamruss on 24/06/2006 02:54:18
Edited by: Iamruss on 24/06/2006 02:45:13
Yes, Nebuli had sent me the ISK himself. Ty.
The time I edited that was way before you stated that I was lieing. Please stop trying to discredit me now.
Thanks for my ISK back. Sorry for the thread.
Took my time over the last post as I was entering EVE and getting screen grabs etc to prove myself.
And I wont edit my posts as you did origionaly try to make ME look like a lier by saying I had in fact NOT paid you, which incidently the payment was made 2006.06.23 20:04 which is a good 8 hours ago.......
You would think you would have actualy checked your wallet before coming on the forum and trying to make me look like a lier, I'm one of the strightest talkers you will ever meet, I dont mince my words, I say what I think and feel, and I say it how it is, but I dont lie, cheat, steal, backstab and I'm a man of my word to a fault.
CEO - Art of War |
Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.24 03:13:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Nebuli
I'm a man of my word to a fault.
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Nebuli
PS I might make an exception to you m8, I feel my first act of piracy coming up....
The sleazebag is currently at Madomi V - Moon 6 - Ministry of War Information Center station in the Reya constellation of Genesis region.
Sorry.. I'll stop trolling my fellow ceo in a minute..
[Art of War][- V -] |
Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.24 03:16:00 -
[169]
LOL Pepp, you do make me laugh.
CEO - Art of War |
Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.24 05:10:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: Iamruss
Edited by: Iamruss on 24/06/2006 02:54:18
Edited by: Iamruss on 24/06/2006 02:45:13
Yes, Nebuli had sent me the ISK himself. Ty.
The time I edited that was way before you stated that I was lieing. Please stop trying to discredit me now.
Thanks for my ISK back. Sorry for the thread.
Took my time over the last post as I was entering EVE and getting screen grabs etc to prove myself.
And I wont edit my posts as you did origionaly try to make ME look like a lier by saying I had in fact NOT paid you, which incidently the payment was made 2006.06.23 20:04 which is a good 8 hours ago.......
You would think you would have actualy checked your wallet before coming on the forum and trying to make me look like a lier, I'm one of the strightest talkers you will ever meet, I dont mince my words, I say what I think and feel, and I say it how it is, but I dont lie, cheat, steal, backstab and I'm a man of my word to a fault.
Indeed you are. Thank you. And to your corporation. I did glance at it, But you are 100% right I should of looked it over more carefully, before first posting that I hadn't recieved it. Your first reply made me look again in which I did see it. Either way, thank you. And this will bring honor to yourself in the readers eyes here. Very sportsmanlike. Safe flying.
-Russ
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.06.24 05:36:00 -
[171]
So what did we learn from this thread?
Well, I learned the following:
Ppl that warp at 100km to a gate can get sucked in by a med bubble so it apears they warped at an insta.
Other ppl may get this wrong and open fire real quick.
A fully stabbed raven will go down to a proper gate camp faster then ISK can leave a wallet.
It it unclear what piracy is and what not.
An alliance leader does not need good english skills in any case. (Sorry mate I could not resist. :)
An alliance should have an official diplomate who knows how to write carefully in the public to prevent certain girls to make a fool of herself.
Local is the worst place for a solid discussion.
It can be quite confusing when a chat log is removed from a post befor the thread comes to an end.
Somebody that states he is russian in his char name should not expect to be dealt fair with by a party that got repeatedly annoyed by other russians with login traps and other lame tactics.
Six pages of posts are worth roughly 10M ISK.
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$ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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Jaos Nekri
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Posted - 2006.06.24 05:53:00 -
[172]
Originally by: gfldex
So what did we learn from this thread?
That pirates turn from spiteful accusations to friendly banter once enough people from a powerful alliance get mad.
Shocking, really, the speed with which this thread changed it's tone.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.06.24 06:06:00 -
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It would be unfair to call Jenny a fool and not telling her why she is.
As you destribed quite well privateering is a hostile act against a declared enemy (there has to be a declaration of war) in the enemies or the authorities space by a party that is neither member of the declared enemy nor the authority. The authority has to give you permission to do so (see Letter of marque). The permission makes the difference!
As you are a soldier or member (not quite sure here) of that authority you can't be a privateer. If you rob (it's not really ransoming as you don't hold a person captive and ask another related party for a ransom) a third party in enemies space or the space of your own authority you are a war criminal.
If your commanding officer(s) are not taking actions against you after getting knowledge of your war crimes they can be seen as war criminals themself. If there is a legitimate war such actions can make the war illegitime regarding the terms of international law. (It was you who started with RL analogies!) If there is no declared war your hostile actions outside of your authorities space are ordinary crimes.
Ha ha gotcha!
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$ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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Gray Carmicheal
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Posted - 2006.06.24 06:14:00 -
[174]
Originally by: gfldex
So what did we learn from this thread?
Well, I learned the following:
Ppl that warp at 100km to a gate can get sucked in by a med bubble so it apears they warped at an insta.
Other ppl may get this wrong and open fire real quick.
A fully stabbed raven will go down to a proper gate camp faster then ISK can leave a wallet.
It it unclear what piracy is and what not.
An alliance leader does not need good english skills in any case. (Sorry mate I could not resist. :)
An alliance should have an official diplomate who knows how to write carefully in the public to prevent certain girls to make a fool of herself.
Local is the worst place for a solid discussion.
It can be quite confusing when a chat log is removed from a post befor the thread comes to an end.
Somebody that states he is russian in his char name should not expect to be dealt fair with by a party that got repeatedly annoyed by other russians with login traps and other lame tactics.
Six pages of posts are worth roughly 10M ISK.
What a great post. LOL
As for V, good on ya fellas. Please for the love of my (sadly shortlived) Past Employer historyer clear the rubbish from V's name. Frankly, I'd also send the asshat's corpse to Russ as a "Parting" gift, it's the way I run my corp now. You screw up, you're podded and your body goes to the victim.
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:00:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Gray Carmicheal
Originally by: gfldex
So what did we learn from this thread?
Well, I learned the following:
Ppl that warp at 100km to a gate can get sucked in by a med bubble so it apears they warped at an insta.
Other ppl may get this wrong and open fire real quick.
A fully stabbed raven will go down to a proper gate camp faster then ISK can leave a wallet.
It it unclear what piracy is and what not.
An alliance leader does not need good english skills in any case. (Sorry mate I could not resist. :)
An alliance should have an official diplomate who knows how to write carefully in the public to prevent certain girls to make a fool of herself.
Local is the worst place for a solid discussion.
It can be quite confusing when a chat log is removed from a post befor the thread comes to an end.
Somebody that states he is russian in his char name should not expect to be dealt fair with by a party that got repeatedly annoyed by other russians with login traps and other lame tactics.
Six pages of posts are worth roughly 10M ISK.
What a great post. LOL
As for V, good on ya fellas. Please for the love of my (sadly shortlived) Past Employer historyer clear the rubbish from V's name. Frankly, I'd also send the asshat's corpse to Russ as a "Parting" gift, it's the way I run my corp now. You screw up, you're podded and your body goes to the victim.
That is pretty awesome. But no, not necessary haha.
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:44:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Ah..so it finally comes out that -V- ,although presenting a public front against piracy,actively sponsors it and appears to condone it.
There have been several points made in this thread...let's see if we can address them..
1/To the pilot who said GW is owned by -V-..erm..no..it's disputed territory...with a resistance made up of various corps and allies fighting against -V- and their coalition forces.
Hahahaha... good joke. Try to come into GW and you will see who own it.
BTW question...where is Foundation living atm???
So far...stay quiet !
Regards
/LD
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stuart waterman
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Posted - 2006.06.25 11:45:00 -
[177]
Guys,
I'm no longer V so can safely speak here without people holding the alliance for anything I say or do.
A couple of guys form an alliance screwed up and it looks like it has been dealt with now, but I would advise that you do not stereo type the whole aliance with this.
I know for a fact that V has an anti pirate policy, so as far as I'm concerned it's not a V issue, and also not an AWAR issue, it's the individuals that are at fault here.
Try not to paint everyone in the same alliance with the same brush as a few loose cannons.
ITFB Recruitment
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shhmee eeeeee
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Posted - 2006.06.25 14:26:00 -
[178]
This topic has gone mad lol! i'll pay the guy his money back, it was his smack that stopped that happening in the first place.
we said maybe 10mil and you can leave because he had logged off to avoid us killing him! and then logged back on when we had 20secs left on the scan! the conversation was only started so he wouldn't move!
I do have no reason to ransum people, but he did try and insta out only to find himself in are bubble, and going down fast before the money was sent! maybe this was lag who knows but paying when on the last legs of armer is a risky bussiness! if only that insta had worked A russ
I was a pierat till joining -v- and always kept my side of the bargin! back then i would have kicked my self for asking 10mil for a raven!
anyway that is are side of the story for those interested.
next time i'll ask him how his family is, the weather and such, as a way to keep him talking!
play to win leave the warpcore stabs at home!! and things like this just wouldn't happen. i find logging off just as affensive as my minner blot on the pierat code!!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.25 14:58:00 -
[179]
Originally by: shhmee eeeeee
This topic has gone mad lol! i'll pay the guy his money back, it was his smack that stopped that happening in the first place.
we said maybe 10mil and you can leave because he had logged off to avoid us killing him! and then logged back on when we had 20secs left on the scan! the conversation was only started so he wouldn't move!
I do have no reason to ransum people, but he did try and insta out only to find himself in are bubble, and going down fast before the money was sent! maybe this was lag who knows but paying when on the last legs of armer is a risky bussiness! if only that insta had worked A russ
I was a pierat till joining -v- and always kept my side of the bargin! back then i would have kicked my self for asking 10mil for a raven!
anyway that is are side of the story for those interested.
next time i'll ask him how his family is, the weather and such, as a way to keep him talking!
play to win leave the warpcore stabs at home!! and things like this just wouldn't happen. i find logging off just as affensive as my minner blot on the pierat code!!
Was I right about you being 13 years old btw?
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.06.26 10:17:00 -
[180]
All I have to add is a big LOL, especially to those 'losing their respect'.
It's a GAME folks and also if you judge an alliance by one action, you need to see a doctor to begin with anyway.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.06.26 10:28:00 -
[181]
Btw anyone else noticed that the harshest comments here in this thread come from unknown or dead/puppet alliances like Foundation, FIX etc. ?
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HeadHunta II
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:44:00 -
[182]
There will be always ppl who dont like V and who will use incidents like this to leave "i have no clue but ill post some crap because i dont like em" comments in these forums. We can deal with that,np.
For those who have a serious request or complains about V contact me or LD ingame if you want to talk.
The rest, go on posting on eve-o or finally back your words up with actions.
"-V- Vice President"
"-V- Minister of Foreign affairs"
"CEO Nun Amun"
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:03:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Aeon Yakati
Btw anyone else noticed that the harshest comments here in this thread come from unknown or dead/puppet alliances like Foundation, FIX etc. ?
I resemble that remark!
P.S. If you're referring to my comment, it was a joke. Its quite obvious here that -V- is a respectable alliance who mistakenly recruited a few idiots and has now dealt with the situation.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II- |
Soumk
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:09:00 -
[184]
Suckers and idiots pay ransoms. Pirates want your isk AND your cargo/modules.
Don't give them both.
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.06.26 21:38:00 -
[185]
Bull**** we do. Theres been 1 time I've blown up after a ransom. I was ransoming and a previous target came in, so I destroyed the current target and went to work on the new one. I didnt notice that the ransom had come through, so I gave him back his ransom isk.
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