Well you said highest dps, not afforbable or popular. If we're giong by the latter metric, ishtars and domis are far and away the most popular ships for pve outside of incursions.

I have wondered, since the Kronos patch - hold on, wait a minute-

Fighters are now affected by drone modules, so yes, stupid fast clear times (assuming you're in a system safe enough to use a carrier). You can also assign fighters to another ship running the anom.

How? You weren't even here when Kronos came, weeks ago

Fighters are now affected by drone modules, so yes, stupid fast clear times (assuming you're in a system safe enough to use a carrier). You can also assign fighters to another ship running the anom.

Missions: Mach, Nightmare, Vargur, Paladin, Golem

Rattle beats all those by almost 50% on DPS, so leaving it from the list is a bit silly. Mine does 1700 in a cruise/mission fit. GL getting that out of any of those...

How does the damage projection and application of your Rattle compare to the other ships, hm?

How does the damage projection and application of your Rattle compare to the other ships, hm?

EFT dps based on either parked sentries or a traveling heavy drone in a slow bs still doesn't hold a candle to a mwd mach which has finished the mission and warped home by the time you're reaching the first gate.

EFT dps based on either parked sentries or a traveling heavy drone in a slow bs still doesn't hold a candle to a mwd mach which has finished the mission and warped home by the time you're reaching the first gate.

High Sec (missions/incursions)

I am still wondering how you can ask questions like this after 5 days?

Not every mission is blitzable and machs lose DPS to falloff and travel time, too, just like missile ships lose DPS to sig issues. But when you start at 1700, and each of the RS weapon systems is assigned to its favorable target, you are not losing much.

Low/Nullsec (FW/anom running)
1. Nyx
2. Nyx
3. Nyx
4. Nyx
5. Nyx

[...]I'm happy for you if you like your insect model [...]

scorpions are not insects. they are an own order of animal, related to arachnids.

I am still wondering how you think the character being posted with has anything to do with anything.

And what has your 5 days old character to do with dps on ships? What is your point of your inquery? Why do you need to hide behind another entity?

How can you have any opinion after 5 days? Have you done your tutorials yet?

I would not put Marauders in that list. They get stuck for a minute if using bastion (plus another minute weapons timer after bastion ends) and if they are not using a bastion there is usually not a lot of point bringing one over a pirate BS hull. Well perhaps Golem for it's painter bonus if one has dire need for painters.

I would not put Marauders in that list. They get stuck for a minute if using bastion (plus another minute weapons timer after bastion ends) and if they are not using a bastion there is usually not a lot of point bringing one over a pirate BS hull. Well perhaps Golem for it's painter bonus if one has dire need for painters.

I disagree with opinions that support ship "A" is best and all the rest follow, for the majority of players. I agree with them, if this argument is suggested for each player individually. Each player using the same ship with exactly the same fit running the same missions will perform differently, time wise.And do we factor in cost & aesthetics or just the ones that have the highest applicable dps in EFT and add them to the list accordingly? The latter would be the easy step.

Taking into account the former, i personally wouldn't fly the SNI even if it was the highest dps mission running ship with that kind of looks.On the other hand Machariel looks amazing & has that so very important warp speed bonus that now makes all the difference in mission running. But I personally don't like turrets (for PvE) & I find the damn thing a little too big for my taste. I consider these, possibly strange sounding, personal quirks an important factor to my decision.

To make a long story short, during the years I have been running missions I ended up liking missiles instead of turrets, cruises instead of torps and heavy drones instead of sentries. Factoring in aesthetics & cost I ended up, quite easily I might add after the changes, to the Fleet Typhoon. I can't praise that ship high enough. Modifying the fit to accommodate more warp speed for obvious reasons I can personally submit the TFI as the ship I consider the highest dps ship (for me). All this taking into account the feeling I get while flying this ship. I perform better (and feel better) running missions with the TFI rather than any other worthy candidate ship for the same application (L4 Missions).

For someone else it could be the Mach or the Vindi, Rattle, RNI and so on. And that would be perfectly ok with me, as long as you are using a proper fit. At the end, the real differences, time wise, are so small that the most important factor besides a very good dps (which all these ships have) is aesthetics & cost and then which ship is the one that will make you finish this mission 1 or 2 minutes faster.

I disagree with opinions that support ship "A" is best and all the rest follow, for the majority of players. I agree with them, if this argument is suggested for each player individually. Each player using the same ship with exactly the same fit running the same missions will perform differently, time wise.And do we factor in cost & aesthetics or just the ones that have the highest applicable dps in EFT and add them to the list accordingly? The latter would be the easy step.

Taking into account the former, i personally wouldn't fly the SNI even if it was the highest dps mission running ship with that kind of looks.On the other hand Machariel looks amazing & has that so very important warp speed bonus that now makes all the difference in mission running. But I personally don't like turrets (for PvE) & I find the damn thing a little too big for my taste. I consider these, possibly strange sounding, personal quirks an important factor to my decision.

To make a long story short, during the years I have been running missions I ended up liking missiles instead of turrets, cruises instead of torps and heavy drones instead of sentries. Factoring in aesthetics & cost I ended up, quite easily I might add after the changes, to the Fleet Typhoon. I can't praise that ship high enough. Modifying the fit to accommodate more warp speed for obvious reasons I can personally submit the TFI as the ship I consider the highest dps ship (for me). All this taking into account the feeling I get while flying this ship. I perform better (and feel better) running missions with the TFI rather than any other worthy candidate ship for the same application (L4 Missions).

For someone else it could be the Mach or the Vindi, Rattle, RNI and so on. And that would be perfectly ok with me, as long as you are using a proper fit. At the end, the real differences, time wise, are so small that the most important factor besides a very good dps (which all these ships have) is aesthetics & cost and then which ship is the one that will make you finish this mission 1 or 2 minutes faster.

You should post in the forums more.

Oh no, it was a compliment. I'd like to see you posting more. Its nice to see somebody value aesthetics and enjoyment and playstyle rather than just blurting out "mach or go home". If it was an insult I would have said you need to lurk more.

EFT dps based on either parked sentries or a traveling heavy drone in a slow bs still doesn't hold a candle to a mwd mach which has finished the mission and warped home by the time you're reaching the first gate.

And what has your 5 days old character to do with dps on ships? What is your point of your inquery? Why do you need to hide behind another entity?

How can you have any opinion after 5 days? Have you done your tutorials yet?

@Ireland, Your tireless crusade for the Rattlesnake and it's Gurista kin is valiant. I give you that much, but your MWD fit snake isn't nearly as fast as my mach, and that's not even accounting for the agility and warp speed disparity since you must fit rigors or the fact that you'll be parked to drop sentries if you don't operate with the gecko all the time (I can think of a few missions where leaving the gecko out for triggers would be unwise).

TL;DR: Yes, the rattlesnake is good, has fantastic paper dps, even applies much of it, but the "I sit here and melt stuff," niche isn't what you want to optomize your shekels per hour. I'm happy for you if you like your insect model and missiles/drones, but the mach isn't old news, it's still the best comgination of speed and gank you can get for security mission whoring.

You enter room and drop sentries or gecko based on NPC range.

Mop them up and when on the last 4 mobs or so bust out the gecko and travel at 855 m/s to the gate.
Or if they are still at long range just pop with the missiels while you move. (( Still putting out 831 DPS with no drones ))

You seem to think that the ship either has to fight or move but not both. You're wrong on that.

That's ok, each player can judge the looks any way he sees fit. Where some see a giant trash can i see an impressive combination of a battleship-sized Tengu Dissolution Sequencer with a Battlestar Galactica. Frakking awesome