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Felicity Love
Ka'ra Shabuir Inc.
1974
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:15:00 -
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And again we see why Wormholes are some of the best content ever added to EVE.

"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22691
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:18:00 -
[62] - Quote
Arcelian wrote:I'm starting to think you are an android Tippia.
Data, is that you? So you agree, then, that the reason the like of you and the OP get berated is because of your lack of evidence or logic rather than because of any of the nonsensical strawman reasons you used, since all you have as a comeback is a particularly silly ad hominem. Goodie.
Quote:Bot-like behavior is debatable, and completely open to interpretation. Not really, no. You managed to reference one thing that shows that it's a bot rather than a human, and that is not really a matter of debate or interpretation but of the difference between software and people. Again, the reason you were berated was because you started with baseless accusations, and it took you a long while before you offered anything else. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:22:00 -
[63] - Quote
Hey OP, come to Deklein.
I can say with absolute certainty that we have the laziest, most inattentive ratters in the game, and they like to bling fit and even do so in carriers. If you can't catch them, the problem is you. |

Arcelian
Metentis
38
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:25:00 -
[64] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Arcelian wrote:I'm starting to think you are an android Tippia.
Data, is that you? So you agree, then, that the reason the like of you and the OP get berated is because of your lack of evidence or logic rather than because of any of the nonsensical strawman reasons you used, since all you have as a comeback is a particularly silly ad hominem. Goodie.
You sure use the strawman term a lot. I provided evidence of botting, or at the very least brain damage of the players piloting those hulks. It doesn't matter how many tries it takes, the evidence is there. I suppose it's very difficult to say with absolute certainty whether someone is botting or not. Which all you've done this entire thread is point that out.
And yes, you are data. |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:27:00 -
[65] - Quote
Arkady Romanov wrote:Hey OP, come to Deklein.
I can say with absolute certainty that we have the laziest, most inattentive ratters in the game, and they like to bling fit and even do so in carriers. If you can't catch them, the problem is you.
Confirmed. https://zkillboard.com/kill/39661390/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/38659958/
Havent had a good exit to deklein for a few days now, but yeah, farming goons is a lot of fun.
Your lot POSes up faster then most bots too. One thing is for sure tho, your home defence fleet is quite good. Never linger in deklein pipe systems or get blobbed by 50 frigates |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22701
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:47:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:You sure use the strawman term a lot. That's because people sure use them as substitutes for proper arguments a lot.
Quote:I provided evidence of botting, or at the very least brain damage of the players piloting those hulks. It doesn't matter how many tries it takes, the evidence is there. It matters when your first couple of attempts just makes you seem unintelligent, and it matters even more when you get annoyed that people GÇö entirely correctly GÇö point this out to you and you try to turn their reaction to your lack of evidence into the strawman that people say that there aren't any bots. They're not GÇö they're just saying that your GÇ£evidenceGÇ¥ does not support your claim.
Quote:They are designed to look like humans, some better than others. GǪbut when you first point to their lack of response as evidence that they're bots and then point to the fact that they respond as evidence that they're bots, you're just being stupid and self-contradictory, and are rightfully called out for it. This has nothing to do with bot design, but with your refusal to accept that your reasoning is nonsensical.
Quote:And yes, you are data. So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5902
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:49:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:
And yes, you are data.
I think you mean Data.
Though Tippia provides data, she isnt ACTUALLY made of a set of values of qualitative or quantitative variables. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:50:00 -
[68] - Quote
you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming.
have you actually, you know, tried any of the fine things offered by this game? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22701
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:53:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming. So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:54:00 -
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note how known awoxers, scammers, an other non-pvp'ers flock to the defense of bottling whenever its brought up.
they try to
a) discredit b) troll c) like tippia, nitpick others apart.
meanwhile none of them actually have combat experience to speak of.
now why is that the most unqualified segment of the eve population makes the loudest noise? |

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
609
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:55:00 -
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I'd just apply the good old razor:
"Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected."
Option 1: Many people that the OP encounters are paying attention and warp to the safety of a POS when a neutral suddenly shows up in local.
Option 2: Almost every single player that the OP encounters are actually botting, despite engaging in behavior that most characters manned by human beings would do.
Option 1 assumes that most players in null enjoy keeping their ships.
Option 2 assumes a hell of a lot more :)
Just my two cents on the issue, inb4 OP flames me for not being nearly as elite as him :) |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:55:00 -
[72] - Quote
Tippia wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming. So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.
i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps.
you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5903
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:56:00 -
[73] - Quote
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
now why is that the most unqualified segment of the eve population makes the loudest noise?
No one knows why you do it
But your boring repetitive troll-threads suck, if that's any help "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7540
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:57:00 -
[74] - Quote
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: now why is that the most unqualified segment of the eve population makes the loudest noise?
You tell me. You bleat and cry louder than anyone who has posted in this thread so far. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:58:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:I'd just apply the good old razor:
"Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected."
Option 1: Many people that the OP encounters are paying attention and warp to the safety of a POS when a neutral suddenly shows up in local.
Option 2: Almost every single player that the OP encounters are actually botting, despite engaging in behavior that most characters manned by human beings would do.
Option 1 assumes that most players in null enjoy keeping their ships.
Option 2 assumes a hell of a lot more :)
Just my two cents on the issue, inb4 OP flames me for not being nearly as elite as him :)
high-sec ganker. welcome to my block list. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22703
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:58:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:note how known awoxers, scammers, an other non-pvp'ers flock to the defense of bottling whenever its brought up. No, I can't say that I've ever seen any of them hold anything resembling that position. Do you have anything to support this claim, or is it (like your OP) just something you invented out of whole cloth?
Quote:i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps. So you agree that I'm right then since you can't offer any kind of actual argumentation and have to rely wholly on fallacies to fill in the gap vast yawning chasm left behind in your desperate attempt to not just come out and admit it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7540
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:59:00 -
[77] - Quote
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Tippia wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming. So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation. i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps. you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them.
Idk about Tippia, but I personally would attack you for being dumb enough to use probes. Your entire premise is shattered by how appallingly terrible you are. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
806
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:59:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:100s of attempted ganks I'll try DJ's razor thing myself.
Option 1: 100s of players are actually bots
Option 2: one player is terribad at ganking |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:note how known awoxers, scammers, an other non-pvp'ers flock to the defense of bottling whenever its brought up. No, I can't say that I've ever seen any of them hold anything resembling that position. Do you have anything to support this claim, or is it (like your OP) just something you invented out of whole cloth? Quote:i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps. So you agree that I'm right then since you can't offer any kind of actual argumentation and have to rely wholly on fallacies to fill in the gap vast yawning chasm left behind in your desperate attempt to not just come out and admit it.
keep trying to troll. you i will keep unblocked for lols while im watching this match. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7540
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:02:00 -
[80] - Quote
I should point out that I have reported this thread for closure, since the OP is clearly not interested in actually discussing this, just in personally attacking and/or blocking anyone who doesn't immediately agree with his wild, ludicrous premise. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22703
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:02:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:keep trying to troll. you i will keep unblocked for lols while im watching this match. I don't have to try anything. Every time you post, you prove that I'm right since you can't offer any kind of actual argumentation, reasoning, facts, or any other support for your long-since invalidated point GÇö all you have is heaps of fallacies.
You proving me right beyond any doubt does not constitute me trolling. Quite the opposite. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Arcelian
Metentis
38
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Arcelian wrote:You sure use the strawman term a lot. That's because people sure use them as substitutes for proper arguments a lot. Quote:I provided evidence of botting, or at the very least brain damage of the players piloting those hulks. It doesn't matter how many tries it takes, the evidence is there. It matters when your first couple of attempts just makes you seem unintelligent, and it matters even more when you get annoyed that people GÇö entirely correctly GÇö point this out to you and you try to turn their reaction to your lack of evidence into the strawman that people say that there aren't any bots. They're not GÇö they're just saying that your GÇ£evidenceGÇ¥ does not support your claim. Quote:They are designed to look like humans, some better than others. GǪbut when you first point to their lack of response as evidence that they're bots and then point to the fact that they respond as evidence that they're bots, you're just being stupid and self-contradictory, and are rightfully called out for it. This has nothing to do with bot design, but with your refusal to accept that your reasoning is nonsensical. Quote:And yes, you are data. So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.
If my first tries make me seem unintelligent, that's not logical , that's what you think. Entirely up to interpretation. You are a sophist indeed. Because that's what I think.
If someone responds several hours after I blow up their ship, their pod sitting in space for hours afterwards, because I just broke their macro programming, it does not in any way mean they weren't botting. Context is key, which I admit I sometimes lack in forum posts. You assume too much, Data.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5403
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:03:00 -
[83] - Quote
I tend to rat while orbiting something with my 100mn afterburner running because Ishtar, but once a neutral gets within 2 systems I align & prepare to pull drones. Once you actually land in system I have enough time to let my drones return before hitting warp. Your real issue seems to be with people utilising the power of friend making & somehow this is unfair.
Clearly peoples ability to converse with one another & work together based on common interests needs to be nerfed somehow. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:07:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:100s of attempted ganks I'll try DJ's razor thing myself. Option 1: 100s of players are actually bots Option 2: one player is terribad at ganking
you spend your time in low-sec, botting is not as prevalent around your part of the woods.
the reality is a human player will not warp instantly to pos. there will be a delay, there will be a mistake, there will be afk, there will be local smack talk, something.
but when you enter local a ship warps IMMEDIATELY - then sits in a pos for exactly 10 or 15 minutes then logs off with nothing to indicate its a human player - thats botting.
take a day trip to isolated pockets in deep null with 7-10k of rat kills in last 24 hours, you will see what I mean.
Dont bash what you know little about. Some ratters are smart humans, sure, but a lot are bots. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22705
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:08:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:If my first tries make me seem unintelligent, that's not logical , that's what you think. No, it is the reason why people are berating you: because you throw out accusation that you very obviously haven't through through properly.
Quote:If someone responds several hours after I blow up their ship, their pod sitting in space for hours afterwards, because I just broke their macro programming, it does not in any way mean they weren't botting. GǪnor does it say that they were. That's the whole point: you keep attributing behaviour to botting that is just as easily explained by sheer inattentiveness, and you keep altering the story.
People weren't berating you for whatever inane strawman reason you invented; they were berating you because the evidence you offered did not particularly support your assertions. It's really as simple as that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:09:00 -
[86] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:I tend to rat while orbiting something with my 100mn afterburner running because Ishtar, but once a neutral gets within 2 systems I align & prepare to pull drones. Once you actually land in system I have enough time to let my drones return before hitting warp. Your real issue seems to be with people utilising the power of friend making & somehow this is unfair.
Clearly peoples ability to converse with one another & work together based on common interests needs to be nerfed somehow.
your real issue seems to be reading the part where i say i drop out of fresh wormholes on top of you, with no prior intel warning. |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Arcelian wrote:If my first tries make me seem unintelligent, that's not logical , that's what you think. No, it is the reason why people are berating you: because you throw out accusation that you very obviously haven't through through properly. Quote:If someone responds several hours after I blow up their ship, their pod sitting in space for hours afterwards, because I just broke their macro programming, it does not in any way mean they weren't botting. GǪnor does it say that they were. That's the whole point: you keep attributing behaviour to botting that is just as easily explained by sheer inattentiveness, and you keep altering the story. People weren't berating you for whatever inane strawman reason you invented; they were berating you because the evidence you offered did not particularly support your assertions. It's really as simple as that.
screw it, welcome to my block list. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7543
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:10:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: your real issue seems to be reading the part where i say i drop out of fresh wormholes on top of you, with no prior intel warning.
Your real issue seems to be that you don't realize that DROPPING PROBES ON FREAKING SHORT SCAN gives them all the warning they would ever need. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
660
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:12:00 -
[89] - Quote
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Tippia wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming. So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation. i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps. you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them. Statistical analysis would confirm, sample size would be to small.
- Are there bots in Eve? YES
- Have you encountered bots. More than likely, yes.
- Is everyone that gets away from you a bot. NO!
Confirming, you are not a 1337 ***** as you think, and posting a stealth remove local thread. "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
433
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Posted - 2014.06.29 23:14:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Tippia wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming. So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation. i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps. you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them. Statistical analysis would confirm, sample size would be to small.
- Are there bots in Eve? YES
- Have you encountered bots. More than likely, yes.
- Is everyone that gets away from you a bot. NO!
Confirming, you are not a 1337 ***** as you think, and posting a stealth remove local thread.
not remove local. introduce a delay. 5-10 seconds. 10 probably too much, 5 seconds. |
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