If you post a thread then block everyone who disagrees with you, you can easily convince yourself that you are infact correct.

It is unfortunate that the OP brought up the bots issue, as it ended up derailing his very valid point.

The bot issue has become smoke and mirror in this thread...

They were either poorly configured bots, or they weren't bots at all. You don't know.

Nice ninja quoting there.

You have said my argument is invalid, because the tendencies I mentioned a suspected bot doing, a human could potentially do. I say then by your argument, no one is botting, because a human is potentially doing it. You say you didn't say that.

Tell me one thing a bot can do that a human(s) can't.

f I say lots of piracy happens in Rancer because my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, Tippia will say I am wrong because my milkshake has nothing to do with it. Even though, lots of piracy happens in Rancer.

Even if the OP is popping out probes and being really obvious about it, there are botting pockets and it's disingenious to try to suggest otherwise.

Some of the responses here would be more credible if you relinked tactics to overcome the problem rather than rushing to slap the OP down and suggest he's exaggerating the problem. Even if he is a bit arsey, there are other readers who might pick some useful tips up.

It was invalidated by his reasoning, even if despite his incorrect reasoning, it was true.

If I say lots of piracy happens in Rancer because my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, Tippia will say I am wrong because my milkshake has nothing to do with it. Even though, lots of piracy happens in Rancer.

Where?

GǪbecause I didn't say that no-one is botting GÇö that's just something you've made up using your own (lack of) logic.

I'm saying that your argument is invalid because, when observing A, you have no way of determining what the cause of it is, and there are at least two options, maybe more. Your conclusion that it must be cause B does not follow from the observation of A. You are affirming the consequent.

Anything for 164.5 hours (semi-)straight.

I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise, other than maybe the OP and Arcelian in their strawman arguments. All anyone is suggesting is that the behaviour he describes does not support the conclusion that his problems are caused by bots.

It is unfortunate that the OP brought up the bots issue, as it ended up derailing his very valid point.

The bot issue has become smoke and mirror in this thread...

its almost like they have an intel channel or possibly a cloaked alt watching the gate on the far side

You can have all the cloaked alts you want, but Luminous Spirit mentioned she used wormholes. Unless they are all putting an alt in the connected wormholes too, cloaked alts won't give you that intel.

Using wormholes reduces the effectiveness of intel channels too.

LS seems to have a lot of experience with this and has clearly noticed a change in something. Bots might not be the right conclusion, but there also has to be some doubt that people ratting have all wised up at the same time, though if they are watching d-scan, a combat probe is a sure sign to gtfo.

Hmm, but the convo I got said the whole family plays the account, spread among several people, could well exceed 164.5 hours straight.

you gotta stop using variables so much.

What you ARE saying is that any perceived tendency of a bot, is wrong, because it could be that of a human.

I grow tired of this. You can never affirm that it is cause B. Ever. Basically what you are saying is that you can NEVER be sure that what you are seeing is the work of a bot.

Why should we tell you, how to kill us? Plenty of others can, so the OP, if he's smart, should be able to figure it out. If he can't, then, it sucks to be him.

Nah, I'm just curious as to the validity of forum warriors using alts to post and claiming expertise on anything other than foruming. I'd particularly like to see their killboards.

Responding directly to the OP.

If you want 0.0 null sec kills from ratting alts here go a couple of things I have found to work:
1. Be aware that any afker in a pos/station/cloaked in space can report your presence to the active players next in any channel they wish to.. Attentive players will be in warp when you arrive 1, 2 or even 3 jumps out depending on the nature of the pipe they reside in. To counter this, pass through target pipes with a newbie alt a few times at different times of the day and figure where the "empty" systems are. Make a bookmark close to a target system gate and hand over to your ganking alt. Fly ganking alt out at quietest time of the day and log off in empty system closest to target system.

2. When entering system the only reason to hold cloak is to ensure the gate is clear a d-scan at 1 au should tell you if you're about to get jumped.

3. Don't bother probing. That malaky is for WH space, gang pvp and fleets. Warp to the highest ranked cosmic anomaly immediately. Should have already been covered in this thread - Sanctums > Havens > Hub > Port. Run a narrow (<15 deg) d-scan while in warp to anomaly. Run a narrow d-scan on station while in same warp

4. If there are wrecks and rats in the anomaly when you land warp immediately to the station in system. 0.0 folk often rat in fat lumbering BS and Carriers that can not match the speed you should have.

5. Scan down any Jump Bridges while you are in local. If you see any activity which leads you suspect they might be trying to trap you drop a bubble in line between the gate and jumpbridge - better in a small gang.

Sanctums are crap fyi

Responding directly to the OP.

If you want 0.0 null sec kills from ratting alts here go a couple of things I have found to work:
1. Be aware that any afker in a pos/station/cloaked in space can report your presence to the active players next in any channel they wish to.. Attentive players will be in warp when you arrive 1, 2 or even 3 jumps out depending on the nature of the pipe they reside in. To counter this, pass through target pipes with a newbie alt a few times at different times of the day and figure where the "empty" systems are. Make a bookmark close to a target system gate and hand over to your ganking alt. Fly ganking alt out at quietest time of the day and log off in empty system closest to target system.

2. When entering system the only reason to hold cloak is to ensure the gate is clear a d-scan at 1 au should tell you if you're about to get jumped.

3. Don't bother probing. That malaky is for WH space, gang pvp and fleets. Warp to the highest ranked cosmic anomaly immediately. Should have already been covered in this thread - Sanctums > Havens > Hub > Port. Run a narrow (<15 deg) d-scan while in warp to anomaly. Run a narrow d-scan on station while in same warp

4. If there are wrecks and rats in the anomaly when you land warp immediately to the station in system. 0.0 folk often rat in fat lumbering BS and Carriers that can not match the speed you should have.

5. Scan down any Jump Bridges while you are in local. If you see any activity which leads you suspect they might be trying to trap you drop a bubble in line between the gate and jumpbridge - better in a small gang.

Having an awesome looking green killboard doesn't neccessarily mean that the person in question knows anything about game mechanics or this anomaly known as 'people working together' & vice versa.

and this is the problem. people in null-sec should not be invulnerable to small-scale pew pew that does not involve ****-caging a pos for 3 days.

and this is the problem. people in null-sec should not be invulnerable to small-scale pew pew that does not involve ****-caging a pos for 3 days.

and this is the problem. people in null-sec should not be invulnerable to small-scale pew pew that does not involve ****-caging a pos for 3 days.

Infinity, is that you??

*looks at Op*

I almost didn't recognize you without your trained attack dogs.

I thought the exact same thing, because everytime Infinity made a thread requesting a change, it was for some myopic/short sighted selfish reason revolving around some difficulty in killing ships.

Ahh, sweet sweet memories of trained attack dogs riding beefed up scooters wearing wife beaters.

But they definitely are if someone is stupid enough to drop probes on short scan.

Nice ninja quoting there. You have said my argument is invalid, because the tendencies I mentioned a suspected bot doing, a human could potentially do. I say then by your argument, no one is botting, because a human is potentially doing it. You say you didn't say that.


Tell me one thing a bot can do that a human(s) can't. I'm a quiver with anticipation.