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Fasin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 09:55:00 -
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Why is it I am restricted to training one character at a time? I have two characters, yet I cannot train one of them whilst the other is training.
I cannot see the purpose of this other than to force me into opening another account?
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Zafon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:04:00 -
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Because that is the rule. Being able to train more than one char on one account would significantly change the dynmacis of the game.
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Damien Smith
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:08:00 -
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It's to stop character farming. Otherwise you could create 2 alt characters for the express purpose of training them up and selling them for isk. Then creating 2 more, and so on.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:10:00 -
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Its exactly the same as all other MMORPGs: in World of Warcraft, Everquest, etc you can't level up more than one character at once, so neither can you do so in EVE.
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Lora Duvail
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Its exactly the same as all other MMORPGs: in World of Warcraft, Everquest, etc you can't level up more than one character at once, so neither can you do so in EVE.
True, but in other mmorpgs you have to be logged in for your character to gain xp. For eve those two other slots on character screen are just scrapholders. And intented for the new players to bork up on the character creation twice. Well if you bork up 3 times you'll have to wait untill one of your characters can be recycled. Other then that those other slots don't have any purpose, since you can't train skills on two characters at once. Wich I think isn't to bad either, if you look at the offline training you get in the place.
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Ombey
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lora Duvail
Other then that those other slots don't have any purpose, since you can't train skills on two characters at once. Wich I think isn't to bad either, if you look at the offline training you get in the place.
Well, not really- alts have a myriad of uses. For instance, if your corp is at war with another corp, you can use an alt to 'go shopping', use an alt for spying, etc etc. You can pick certain paths so you only have to do a minimum of training (eg. few hours) to be able to to fly your race's frigates, and indys. Sure you have to switch training from your main for a few hours, but that's not a big deal if you are gettting a usable alt.
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Abreen
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Smith
It's to stop character farming. Otherwise you could create 2 alt characters for the express purpose of training them up and selling them for isk. Then creating 2 more, and so on.
This can't be true. If I were going to create and sell characters, then I'd buy multiple accounts so that I could log them on simultaneously. This works well considering the way you get experience or better skills in EVE is not by playing, but by waiting for the passage of time.
Play a primary account to fund the skill books of your other accounts. Then start another account and just sit the toon in a station and let it train. Start a new toon every few days. Then after a few weeks, start selling an account every few days. You could sell 4 or 5 BS ready accounts a month like this. (or more depending on how much time you want to invest.
What was that about farming prevention? Next.
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Fei Liu
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:23:00 -
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Sadly, one month training is worth nothing. Even 6 months wouldn't sell very well I believe. Moreover, even a character with tons of skills and money but with no factions standings wouldn't be such a good deal.
In fact you would end up paying several accounts for no benefits, but that might please CCP after all 
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Fasin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:30:00 -
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I understand the arguement that it makes farming characters harder, though this just makes it one step harder i.e. you create another account.
Since macro miners exist and people do sell accounts, it doesn't appear to work. Other than that reason, why still have it as rule?
Afterall I expect 90% of players are here to play the game and would like to train their alts at the same time.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2006.06.23 11:40:00 -
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If someone wants to subscribe with another account and then sell the character created and trained on that account, that's a totally different thing from allowing everyone to train 2 extra characters on every account.
You can (and people do) play one character and train up another on one account. Your main simply won't be able to progress for a little while. Just train up the alt to the minimal skills required to do something (hauling for example) and then start training your main again.
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Cairo Skerr
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:13:00 -
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You could train up two characters without hardly ever playing them. It takes me 5 minutes to set up the days skills on my two accounts before I head off to work. Due to everything being about skills and not experience at doing things, you could end up with high end characters that only have a few hours played on them.
Its just a necessary evil of having a time based levelling system.
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:29:00 -
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What if the number of characters per IP was limited instead? Then allowing people to train there alts and there mains at the same time wouldn't benefit farmers or macro miners, because they would still only be able to have a certain amount of characters no matter how many accounts they buy. This way the cheaters would be limited instead of the legit players. Wouldn't this work good? 
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Zafon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:37:00 -
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I think people are, to an extent, missing the point here. Much of Eve is about making decisions and living with the consequences of them, be they good or bad - an essential part of the game in most people's opinions.
Only being able to train one character (per account) at a time forces you to make decisions and prevents one account being able to be good at everything.
Not being able to be good at everything encourages interaction which is, after all, at the heart of most MMORPGS.
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Azulya
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:25:00 -
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There's no difference between three separate accounts with 1 character each being able to, and 1 account with 3 characters being able to. Either way one person can. So it's silly that 3 accounts are needed. Or 2. Or whatever. It makes no difference in game play, but the current way costs 45$ a month, and the better way only costs 15$ a month. That's the only difference.
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Fasin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Azulya
There's no difference between three separate accounts with 1 character each being able to, and 1 account with 3 characters being able to. Either way one person can. So it's silly that 3 accounts are needed. Or 2. Or whatever. It makes no difference in game play, but the current way costs 45$ a month, and the better way only costs 15$ a month. That's the only difference.
This would be my reasoning too.
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Pondor Stibbons
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:19:00 -
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You are all mad.
To the OP, you answered your own question if you look at it from a making money point of view from CCP. Accept it, or leave, really that is the only option and whining about it just clutters up the forum.
oh and alts have their uses, they have niche uses, but tactically very important ones.
Originally by: Cvuos
"We're fighting rocks people, fit those T2 papers!"
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:24:00 -
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We are all angry whiners? How is that? Seems to me you're just upset that you can't find anything logically wrong with our point of view, so you just say we are "mad". How very mature.
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Pondor Stibbons
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cathandra
We are all angry whiners? How is that? Seems to me you're just upset that you can't find anything logically wrong with our point of view, so you just say we are "mad". How very mature.
yada yada yada...
no, you just seem to think that this game owes you something more than you already get, can't train two chars? whine...
who said angry? not me... i just can't see the point of whining over something that has been in place since this game began and i cannot see it changing either. because it is a source of revenue for CCP.
Originally by: Cvuos
"We're fighting rocks people, fit those T2 papers!"
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:33:00 -
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Seems to me you're the one whining. There's no reason we should have to pay for more then 1 account just to train our alts. Why wouldn't CCP fix this?
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Chinny RekOn
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cathandra
Seems to me you're the one whining. There's no reason we should have to pay for more then 1 account just to train our alts. Why wouldn't CCP fix this?
I suggest you mail the dev team and get their slant on it. There is a reason, you are just to pig-headed to see it.
someone call the WHHhhhhaaaaaaambulance
Originally by: Pondor Stibbons
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Azulya
There's no difference between three separate accounts with 1 character each being able to, and 1 account with 3 characters being able to. Either way one person can. So it's silly that 3 accounts are needed. Or 2. Or whatever. It makes no difference in game play, but the current way costs 45$ a month, and the better way only costs 15$ a month. That's the only difference.
Now I don't agree with that. Sure, CCP wants to make money off of it, but still.
Look on the Sell Ads forum, you'll see a ton of Characters that have already been farmed, such as Alliance CEOs and such for 950mil ISK. This was most likly done on a secondary account, and cost the guy doing it well over 90 dollars to create the character. Its a decision he had to make to be able to have a character to sell. Personally, I prefer to save my RL money on something like that.
If CCP allowed for you to train all three slots, You would have a lot more people using the secondary slots to train up Specilized characters, such as Alliance CEOs, without any cost to them. Sure it would bring the price of these being sold on the froums down, but It would also increase the number of alliances out there, Making for a huge mess.
Not allowing people to train more than one character per account Does keep character farming down to a minimum. It prevents the average Joe from having 2 specilaized characters for sale on the market, and it also keeps people from creating 100s of "newbie" characters to find the perfect one. Macro miners would still use multiple accounts because you can't log in more than one at a time, So that argument is irrelevent anyway. At least with forcing multiple accounts, the people who want to character farm have to pay to do it.
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Tabet Saens
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tabet Saens on 23/06/2006 14:47:39
DAMN! Jobie beat me to it, with the exact same logic. he even used "Average Joe"!!
^^ What Jobie said x 2
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vv my old post, blah
The logic of his point is:
The current system forces a person to pay more money, say $45 a month to have 2 extra characters training in order to make money.
If they allowed alts on the same account to train, you could save yourself $30 dollars and have the same amount of sellable characters as the above system.
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You don't see the logic in that? It costs more, and perhaps prevents the casual "exploiter" from exploiting. Sure, those who really want to do it as a business will still do it. But what about average Joe? I would bet that the average Joe wouldn't care enough to pay more to make sellable characters. Sometimes it is not necessary to completely remove the possibility of exploits. Sometimes raising the effort level by just a little bit, takes the vast majority of would-be exploiters out of the equation.
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As far as alts being useless because you can't train them, bah. That's just because you haven't given it enough thought. There are uses for them--you just have to use some creativity and imagination.
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Vamp 1
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pondor Stibbons
Originally by: Cathandra
We are all angry whiners? How is that? Seems to me you're just upset that you can't find anything logically wrong with our point of view, so you just say we are "mad". How very mature.
yada yada yada...
no, you just seem to think that this game owes you something more than you already get, can't train two chars? whine...
who said angry? not me... i just can't see the point of whining over something that has been in place since this game began and i cannot see it changing either. because it is a source of revenue for CCP.
Common point of view:
How dare thee question EVE, you should be honoured to play it, single shard , YADA YADA YADA.
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tabet Saens
Edited by: Tabet Saens on 23/06/2006 14:47:39
DAMN! Jobie beat me to it, with the exact same logic. he even used "Average Joe"!!
^^ What Jobie said x 2
hehe Great Minds Huh....
To the Roids!
CEO - MGTTG
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Neckbone
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:49:00 -
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The premise of this thread is baffling. If I were to translate this thread to a WoW forum, it would read:
Q: "Why can't I gain experience on my mage & rogue, while I'm out playing my hunter!?"
A: "Because you can only play one character at a time."
Q: "But if I pay for 3 accounts I can group them together and get experience all at once!"
A: "Yeah. There you go."
Q: "That's moronic. Why would Blizzard possibly want me to pay $45/month instead of $15/month to advance my characters three times faster than anyone else!?"
A: "And... scene."
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Cairo Skerr
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:03:00 -
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Neckbone FTW
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Chinny RekOn
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cairo Skerr
Neckbone FTW
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Originally by: Pondor Stibbons
READ US A STORY NECKBONE!!!!
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:16:00 -
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Oh okay. So it's not about balance or anything, it's just so CCP can line their pockets with more cash quicker, and screw everyone else. Why wasn't that just said in the first reply? 
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Pondor Stibbons
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cathandra
Oh okay. So it's not about balance or anything, it's just so CCP can line their pockets with more cash quicker, and screw everyone else. Why wasn't that just said in the first reply?
It was said within the 1st question, and multiple times since......
and it is balanced, you just want it your way.
Originally by: Cvuos
"We're fighting rocks people, fit those T2 papers!"
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Neckbone
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Posted - 2006.06.23 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cathandra
Oh okay. So it's not about balance or anything, it's just so CCP can line their pockets with more cash quicker, and screw everyone else. Why wasn't that just said in the first reply?
I'm going to give this a 9 of 10 possible troll points, because it got 28 replies with no mention of trolling. This must be a troll post, because no-one is possibly this obtuse or spoon-fed to actually think they are maintaining a rational conversation.
And if you're not trolling, then I'll dismiss myself from an argument with someone so intellectually stunted and/or socially overpriveleged.
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