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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.01 00:39:00 -
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I had to get this off my chest.
Fact: most straight women, straight men, gay women, and even a majority of gay men don't mind or even like sexualized female characters. Of course different genders tend toward different views on which types of sexualization are best or worst, but overall it's mostly only extremists that have a problem with it overall.
You want to know what is sexist? Sexist is avoiding the sexualization of male characters. When the creators and/or directors of a medium go to great lengths to ensure that the male characters are devoid of any sex appeal while sexualizing the female characters, that's sexist.
Here's a very short list of media that sexualize both male and female characters:
- Duke Nukem
- Star Trek: The Next Generation
- Ouran High School Host Club
- Final Fantasy
So without further ado, flame away! Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |

Nose' Feliciano
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Posted - 2014.07.01 00:48:00 -
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I want my toon to have a boy camel-toe. Ladies, you know what they say about guys with big noses right? Heh-heh!! That's right, it means they are either Jewish or Italian.
:P |

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
9464
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Posted - 2014.07.01 00:50:00 -
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relevant |

Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
11276
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Posted - 2014.07.01 00:50:00 -
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Some people just want to watch the world drool.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |

Lido Seahawk
Norr Amalgamated Industries
141
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Posted - 2014.07.01 02:07:00 -
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I'm too sexy for my Character! Can I have your stuff? |

Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12185
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Posted - 2014.07.01 02:28:00 -
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/emote Claps slowly. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1251
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Posted - 2014.07.01 03:08:00 -
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Related , I think. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
877
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Posted - 2014.07.01 04:36:00 -
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Possibly relevant You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam.-á |

Nixss
Vampire Kittens
89
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:02:00 -
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You already are sexualized. Out of next 200 men you see in RL (not a gym), do they all nicely toned bodies with great pecks and amazing arms, in some cases nicely squared jaw bones, and almost perfect hairlines? |

Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
1284
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:04:00 -
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Nose' Feliciano wrote:I want my toon to have a boy camel-toe.
I believe the technical term for that is frog-eye. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
2151
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Posted - 2014.07.01 07:37:00 -
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Let's celebrate the fertility. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1607
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Posted - 2014.07.01 08:54:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Nose' Feliciano wrote:I want my toon to have a boy camel-toe. I believe the technical term for that is frog-eye. Or moose-knuckle. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |

miiral
7588
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Posted - 2014.07.01 09:16:00 -
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Now Reaver, why exactly you had to bring this up ? Just curious...
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.01 10:16:00 -
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miiral wrote:Now Reaver, why exactly you had to bring this up ? Just curious... It all started this morning when I watched a video on youtube by Thunderf00t talking about how feminists are ruining everything, and he's pointing to Anita Sarkeesian's video about video games being sexist. This is a topic covered often by Thunderf00t, and he often targets the same person, Anita Sarkeesian. This is not the first time he has made a video about this video specifically, either. Once again I got riled up that Thunderf00t, as usual, is making bold statements about feminists--feminists do this, feminists say that--basically grouping all feminists together as a bunch of ball-busting bra-burning burlesque bitches--all women of course. The very title of his video "IF Men acted like FEMINISTS!" says a lot about his stance here.
So while the rage was building within my feminist being, I took the time to consider what I agree with Anita Sarkeesian about and what I disagree with her about. While Thunderf00t likes to talk about her (and others) as radical feminists with completely and terribly extreme ideals, I'd have to say that Sarkeesian in particular is only somewhat radical. I think she makes some good points about the sexism in our culture but is failing to target it at its heart and is instead bashing some things that are overall not hurting the feminist position and are in some ways helping it. Also, she cherry-picks her points on sexism almost as much as Thunderf00t cherry-picks his points on feminism.
So I wanted to make a stern reply on her video explaining why I partially agree with her but also why I think she's mostly aiming in the wrong direction, but I can't reply to her video because she has comments disabled. So I came here to dump.
You asked, I answered. Whew! I feel a lot better now.  Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |

Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
165
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Posted - 2014.07.01 10:29:00 -
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Not the least bit relevant! |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1607
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Posted - 2014.07.01 10:35:00 -
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^
it's totally relevant, what are you talking about? Everyone has the right to feel sexy, even men! Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |

miiral
7592
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Posted - 2014.07.01 11:05:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:miiral wrote:Now Reaver, why exactly you had to bring this up ? Just curious... It all started this morning when I watched a video on youtube by Thunderf00t talking about how feminists are ruining everything, and he's pointing to Anita Sarkeesian's video about video games being sexist. This is a topic covered often by Thunderf00t, and he often targets the same person, Anita Sarkeesian. This is not the first time he has made a video about this video specifically, either. Once again I got riled up that Thunderf00t, as usual, is making bold statements about feminists--feminists do this, feminists say that--basically grouping all feminists together as a bunch of ball-busting bra-burning burlesque bitches--all women of course. The very title of his video "IF Men acted like FEMINISTS!" says a lot about his stance here. So while the rage was building within my feminist being, I took the time to consider what I agree with Anita Sarkeesian about and what I disagree with her about. While Thunderf00t likes to talk about her (and others) as radical feminists with completely and terribly extreme ideals, I'd have to say that Sarkeesian in particular is only somewhat radical. I think she makes some good points about the sexism in our culture but is failing to target it at its heart and is instead bashing some things that are overall not hurting the feminist position and are in some ways helping it. Also, she cherry-picks her points on sexism almost as much as Thunderf00t cherry-picks his points on feminism. So I wanted to make a stern reply on her video explaining why I partially agree with her but also why I think she's mostly aiming in the wrong direction, but I can't reply to her video because she has comments disabled. So I came here to dump. You asked, I answered. Whew! I feel a lot better now. 
Well good for you, watching both of those videos made me just tired 
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.01 11:17:00 -
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miiral wrote:Well good for you, watching both of those videos made me just tired  You are stronger than I am. I couldn't finish either one. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14943
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Posted - 2014.07.01 18:18:00 -
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WTB endgame Banana hammock armor.
Also: why is chest hair a bad thing on avatars? You just don't see much righteous man fuzz in gaming. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Quinn Hatfield
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.07.01 20:08:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:WTB endgame Banana hammock armor.
Also: why is chest hair a bad thing on avatars? You just don't see much righteous man fuzz in gaming. Metrosexuals, man fuzz just isn't the norm any more.
WTB mankini, would pay good isk to see UAEs character in it. |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1847
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Posted - 2014.07.01 20:32:00 -
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There are people who enjoy sexualized characters, for entertainment, for providing an emotional outlet, variety of reasons. Games shouldn't try to shy away from it because they (mistakenly) think this is what females want (some might, but I don't). What I'd like to see are more "traditionally male" graphical options for female archetypes: plate mail without boobie bumps, riot gear with full face covering, options for more vicious looking scars, etc.
I just wish EVE had more combat gear type equipment for female avatars like the males have. The Gallente motorcycle jacket is the closest thing.. and honestly it doesn't quite cut it. .. when everything else is gone .. |

Ria Nieyli
11567
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Posted - 2014.07.01 20:38:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:miiral wrote:Now Reaver, why exactly you had to bring this up ? Just curious... It all started this morning when I watched a video on youtube by Thunderf00t talking about how feminists are ruining everything, and he's pointing to Anita Sarkeesian's video about video games being sexist. This is a topic covered often by Thunderf00t, and he often targets the same person, Anita Sarkeesian. This is not the first time he has made a video about this video specifically, either. Once again I got riled up that Thunderf00t, as usual, is making bold statements about feminists--feminists do this, feminists say that--basically grouping all feminists together as a bunch of ball-busting bra-burning burlesque bitches--all women of course. The very title of his video "IF Men acted like FEMINISTS!" says a lot about his stance here. So while the rage was building within my feminist being, I took the time to consider what I agree with Anita Sarkeesian about and what I disagree with her about. While Thunderf00t likes to talk about her (and others) as radical feminists with completely and terribly extreme ideals, I'd have to say that Sarkeesian in particular is only somewhat radical. I think she makes some good points about the sexism in our culture but is failing to target it at its heart and is instead bashing some things that are overall not hurting the feminist position and are in some ways helping it. Also, she cherry-picks her points on sexism almost as much as Thunderf00t cherry-picks his points on feminism. So I wanted to make a stern reply on her video explaining why I partially agree with her but also why I think she's mostly aiming in the wrong direction, but I can't reply to her video because she has comments disabled. So I came here to dump. You asked, I answered. Whew! I feel a lot better now. 
To what point. Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |

Anslo
Scope Works
5694
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Posted - 2014.07.01 20:48:00 -
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....meight
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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2014.07.01 20:53:00 -
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People say and do silly things all the time, that's the way it has always been, and the way it will always be.
If you let yourself be so upset by what some random person you've never met says on some interwebs video, you are not acting all that different than these professional umbrage takers looking to be offended and victimized by whatever cultural artifacts.
Just ignore them and carry on with your life.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1609
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Posted - 2014.07.01 21:13:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:There are people who enjoy sexualized characters, for entertainment, for providing an emotional outlet, variety of reasons. Games shouldn't try to shy away from it because they (mistakenly) think this is what females want (some might, but I don't). What I'd like to see are more "traditionally male" graphical options for female archetypes: plate mail without boobie bumps, riot gear with full face covering, options for more vicious looking scars, etc. Yeah it seems what they provide is almost completely centered around catering to males. The general societal belief is that women only want a non-sexed character if at all, and that the vast majority of them aren't even playing anyway. Of course this is wildly inaccurate on both counts, but people will tend to belief what the majority believes regardless of the evidence to the contrary.
I've noted a few common feelings among gamers of any gender that (especially in women) contradict the standard beliefs: 1.) wanting to make a character look intrepid and capable, not for sex appeal but for confidence in that character's ability to do what they do. Men want this too, it's not a manly want but is fairly even among people of any sex or gender who want to go on a virtually dangerous adventure (which is maybe 80-90% of us). It's part of that author upholding the audiences' suspension of disbelief. 2.) wanting to make a character of the opposite sex to: a.) make this character into an extension of their desire to experience socialization from the other side, out of adventurous spirit or just curiosity b.) have this character be like a companion that they can feel comfortable around c.) dress the character up to look sexy so they can feel sexy while they play--some prefer to do this with a character of the opposite sex or just a female character because they may find them easier to make sexy either due to the limited and biased character creation options or because the player lacks experience with designing a sexy look on the other side. And I'm sure there are more reasons I haven't mentioned to explain why people make characters of the opposite sex. Gazing at their smokin' body is on the list but not as high up as you might think. My brother exclusively makes female characters that he finds sexually appealing but not to get off on them, rather, because he only feels comfortable in an environment where sexy women feel free to frolick naked. It's more of a response to an oppressive society than to sexual lusts.
So women feel pretty similarly about these things and more, though the exact implementation they want can be VERY different. But when you break these things down to their basic concepts, men and women want pretty similar things. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
220
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Posted - 2014.07.01 21:40:00 -
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Feminists lack ambition. Before you flame away .. think about it... they want equality with men. The same men that have been perpetuating a world view that they find to be horrible. So to attain equality with something as disgusting as that... what good has been achieved?
They lack ambition, I tell you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331004 - thank me later |

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
9475
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Posted - 2014.07.01 22:00:00 -
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i remember when i played age of conan, the raiding part of our guild was composed roughly, depending on who was around, of about 60% male toons and 40% female toons. the actual gender ratio of the team was 16-17 guys to 3 women. you could tell who we were in the raid because our toons were covered head to toe in leather, fur and metal. and all the guy's female characters had their armor hidden, and were dancing around and doing battle with epic creatures topless. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1609
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Posted - 2014.07.01 22:02:00 -
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:Feminists lack ambition. It is a common misconception that retaliation is a decent course toward achieving freedom from oppression. Sometimes, in extreme cases, the best methods to get your message out are violent, but even then it is not violence that carries the message but merely it is an unfortunate side effect of the innately nonviolent actions which do get your message out, and the violence stems only from the reaction to the message or action.
Feminism has come a long way in getting equal treatment for women. There are three "waves" of feminism which are each characterized by an individual set of goals and approaches which have changed over time due to the realization by social experts of what needed to happen to further the feminist ideal.
Third wave feminism, which is modern feminism and is largely ignored, is a passive feminist movement centered on delivering the idea to all men and women that neither sex deserves special treatment over the other in any case. Modern feminism isn't about fighting men. Men aren't the enemy. Human ignorance is the enemy, and both men and women are paying for that ignorance. Modern feminism is about uniting the sexes for mutual benefit. I very much support this movement and would definitely consider myself to be a part of it. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1610
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Posted - 2014.07.01 22:08:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:i remember when i played age of conan, the raiding part of our guild was composed roughly, depending on who was around, of about 60% male toons and 40% female toons. the actual gender ratio of the team was 16-17 guys to 3 women. you could tell who we were in the raid because our toons were covered head to toe in leather, fur and metal. and all the guy's female characters had their armor hidden, and were dancing around and doing battle with epic creatures topless. I would have blended in with you gals then. I always liked playing with a female toon in full plate armor with a huge shield. There's something awe-inspiring about a shield that's as big as the character.
Then again I actually did play this way in World of Warcraft back in the day. I told everyone I was a woman in real life (if they actually asked) and nobody suspected I wasn't telling the truth. Maybe I have a girly play style. I was once asked by a corpmate in EVE if I was a girl playing with a male toon. He wasn't even kidding, he was convinced I had to be a girl. I had to get on vent to prove I wasn't--not that I was complaining. I like it when people can't tell my sex in a game. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3328
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Posted - 2014.07.02 00:02:00 -
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Did you know? Boudica a.k.a. Boadicea a.k.a. Buddug, queen of the British Celtic Iceni tribe, might have possibly invented the brass brassiere in AD 60. (Some sources say CE 61). She also sent 70,000-80,000 Romans and Romanized Brits to the River Styx. Remarkable achievements, both.
(But seriously, eventually male avatars will probably be wearing chain mail Speedos, so any sexism will be equally balanced ) "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
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