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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.24 08:14:00 -
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@Famine Aligher'ri
I challenge you to try and kill a platedomi that has a full slave set 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.06.24 08:20:00 -
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 Originally by: FFGR
@Famine Aligher'ri
I challenge you to try and kill a platedomi that has a full slave set
plated mega with neutrons and void can pretty much kill most ravens too
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 09:03:49
LOL. Nosferami is overpowered in current patch. 
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:04:00 -
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Water - Wet?
But seriously, the Domi is worse now. Both should steamroll any turret ship one-on-one without anything close to a fight.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:18:00 -
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I do care that the Raven is too powerful in PvE because it does directly affect the PvP arena. Having the ability to manage lvl 4s more easily than any other race which gets better as you skill up makes the tech 2 BPO aquisition a bit tipped towards raven pilots. 0.0 is not so much unbalanced but it is the better overal tech.
Other than that I don't really see anything wrong with ravens or caldari ships in general. I like caldari tech.
And to the muppets insulting Jim for defending his views... grow up. He is usually right about caldari tech in action... period.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:35:00 -
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Also Gallente have the best Hauler and I make much more money trading with it than I do with the other races ! NERF GALLENTE HAULERS!!!111oneoneeleven
Minmatar have the fastest Freighter and I make runs much faster = more money ! NERF MINMATAR FREIGHTER !!!111oneoneeleven
Amarr have the best miner non-barge platforms so they mine more than the other races !!! NERF AMARR TURRET HARDPOINTS !!!111oneoneeleven
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:41:00 -
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was gonna write a lenghty post bout how u have to use ur meds for pvp as it seems many ppl confuse pve and pvp raven setups,
but..
jsut think about how many ravens u see in pvp groups, from 10-200,
tells alot imo,
im just waiting for the caldari tier3 bs.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
was gonna write a lenghty post bout how u have to use ur meds for pvp as it seems many ppl confuse pve and pvp raven setups,
but..
jsut think about how many ravens u see in pvp groups, from 10-200,
tells alot imo,
im just waiting for the caldari tier3 bs.
True that, its massively golden, with a smattering of green grey, and some rusty bits. The glowing blue orbs of Ravens are like rare stones.
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:50:00 -
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Take away the ravens ability to do 100% of whatever damage you choose and I think it sucks.
It's easy to fit, easy to fly, and you can manage it with low skillpoints. And it's ridiculous with the faction mods and the missile implants.
In addition shield tanking is greatly helped (for PvE) by power diagnostic units. Which give you around 15% cap recharge (when you account for the 2 cap bonuses), extra powergrid and extra shields.
Shield tanking is also 'easier' than armour tanking, since you can hit a button and instantly get more shields, and it transfers cap to shields far more quickly than armour reppers. Oh, and if things do go bad, you have an armour buffer to fall back on. I'm not sure that's a balance issue, I think (but I'm no shields expert) that armour tanking is 'better' overall, just not as easy or forgiving.
Oh and if you have the cap for them, invulnerability shields are the dogs *******s. But then again EAN2s are very nice too.
Personally I'd just balance up PDUs, nerf the faction mods a bit, nerf the missiles themselves to do mixed damage, maybe mess with the ranges a bit too. I don't think there needs to be a dramatic change to them, they really aren't overpowered in PvP, just PvE.
But I don't see many ravens in PvP.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 24/06/2006 09:56:35
Just a stupid question:
Consider situation where you have 2 chars, caldari and non-caldari one. What is the most likely situation then:
a) caldari wh@ring lvl4, occasionally other char to help
b) other char whoring, caldari char pvping
c) both pvping, since non-caldari one is stuck in capital ships
Here you have your reasons why caldari chars are rarely seen in pvp. Naturally you would stick it in empire, possibly in n00bcorp and do lvl4 in some hi sec laghole, like oimmo or whatever it is. It also explains why you very rarely encounter phoneix(chimeras are different, you can still do lvl4 in them)
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Sinistro
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Posted - 2006.06.24 10:01:00 -
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lol, if you think a raven is the best bs ingame why you dont just fly it then.
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.24 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Just a stupid question:
Consider situation where you have 2 chars, caldari and non-caldari one. What is the most likely situation then:
a) caldari wh@ring lvl4, occasionally other char to help
b) other char whoring, caldari char pvping
c) both pvping, since non-caldari one is stuck in capital ships
Here you have your reasons why caldari chars are rarely seen in pvp. Naturally you would stick it in empire, possibly in n00bcorp and do lvl4 in some hi sec laghole, like oimmo or whatever it is.
I tend to go back to Empire for a little break for a week or so, but I much prefer raking in cash in 0.0 than Empire... the raven is easy to rat in, less effort, stick a passive tank on it (not the most efficient setup of course).
As far as frigates are concerned the Caldari I would say have the best portfolio. I know a lot of players that have Caldari frigates trained, once they have the rest of their skills in their turret race done.
Likewise loads of people have switched from Caldari to Minmatar, because they can use some of their missile skills and shield tank some of their ships.
Once Caldari get rails in every ship class, then they'll hopefully be a more wide ranging race.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.24 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Synapse Archae
Lastly I want to point out, if the raven isnt overpowered, then why does EVERYONE pilot one?
If everyone flies one, why does it sound like you're totally clueless about it?
as much as i hate to, i have to agree with KR, oh and OWNED
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.24 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Theoraden
We killed 4 ravens last night with 2 hacs without losing our shield. They didn't seem so overpowered 
gues you havnt fought a good raven yet
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Fan3Spoitoru
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:09:00 -
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ohh man... another one.... they use raven cose it`s prety :) good answer?? goodd..
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 24/06/2006 12:18:26
Originally by: Stamm
Take away the ravens ability to do 100% of whatever damage you choose and I think it sucks.
It's easy to fit, easy to fly, and you can manage it with low skillpoints. And it's ridiculous with the faction mods and the missile implants.
In addition shield tanking is greatly helped (for PvE) by power diagnostic units. Which give you around 15% cap recharge (when you account for the 2 cap bonuses), extra powergrid and extra shields.
Shield tanking is also 'easier' than armour tanking, since you can hit a button and instantly get more shields, and it transfers cap to shields far more quickly than armour reppers. Oh, and if things do go bad, you have an armour buffer to fall back on. I'm not sure that's a balance issue, I think (but I'm no shields expert) that armour tanking is 'better' overall, just not as easy or forgiving.
Oh and if you have the cap for them, invulnerability shields are the dogs *******s. But then again EAN2s are very nice too.
Personally I'd just balance up PDUs, nerf the faction mods a bit, nerf the missiles themselves to do mixed damage, maybe mess with the ranges a bit too. I don't think there needs to be a dramatic change to them, they really aren't overpowered in PvP, just PvE.
But I don't see many ravens in PvP.
I would probably write CCP letters if they did anything you suggested in that post. First of all it sounds to me like you truely don't undestand that all Ravens exeed at in EVE is PvE. One module can balance that out, a missile destabilization module aka a property working defender missile.
Shield tanking is only good for PvE, tanking sentries like a empire noob rat, and hypothetical ship scrims on test server that will likely never happen on TQ.
PDU's are fine... and you don't need them in PvP. PvP ravens are smart to armor tank and ewar and that means PDU's are PvE centric.
Mixing up damage types on missiles removes the most unique thing about the entire weapon chain. If you want that then go on a t2 missile crusade but leave t1 missiles alone.
And BTW... missiles only hit 100% of the damage that is capable of being recieved by a target. You aren't doing 700hp damage to an interceptor. You aren't doing 700hp damage from a bane missile if they have 90% resistance to explosive. It doesn't get wreacking shots or barely glances... but its hardly 100%. They also can't tank well if you want to actually keep the target from running away from your missiles.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Ceril
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:18:00 -
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The raven is a cute ship, the first time I checked in on eve I decided I wanted to fly on of thoose, didnt know squat about anything, it just looked cool and had a cool name
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cytomatrix
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Synapse Archae
blah blah blah....
Here is a question for you. If Raven is so "overpowered" why are you pvp guys(eve caldari) not using it? I have never seen a raven in any pvp video killing other ships alone. I cant fly raven so i dont know much about that ship.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:25:00 -
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Overpowered? Hardly! It sucks versus smaller ships without support. So it is not a solopwnmobile!
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As a special bonus, basically the same raven setup, heavy tank and a full rack of cruise missile launchers with 2 nos, works equally well for PVE and PVP without any changes at all.
Well if I NPC hunted in a Tempest with 800mm Artillery and 2 Heavy Nosferatu I would be ready for PvP aswell. 
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Lastly I want to point out, if the raven isnt overpowered, then why does EVERYONE pilot one?
Because it does not need maximised skills to be decent, which makes it quiet viable for new people. Also because most incoming players chose Caldari as their race.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.06.24 12:43:00 -
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Raven is overpowered. Ridiculously overpowered. It's worse than Domi, which you can easily counter by moving further than 22km. This is mainly because it ingnores tracking and optimal and needs no cap for it's weapons. Because of this, it can fight at both close and long range, run a ehavy tank and hit even fast ships with ease. It outdamages the supposedly best close range BS with a gank setup while maintainign a decent tank. It's the BS of choise by noobs because the only skills you need is the ability to bash F1-F8 with you'r big Caldari chin, and is the main reason Caldaris outnumber all other factions put together. NERF!
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.06.24 13:01:00 -
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you can nerf the raven when you nerf the sniper so that they have to wait that good 30 seconds for damage from 200km.
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Exile Devaltos
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Posted - 2006.06.24 13:18:00 -
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My Raven can do close to 1000 dps with some target painters and rage torps
It makes meatsauce out of any BS.
Oh btw, did I forget to mention I'm Caldari?
Originally by: Wrangler
Thats odd, I always drink after dealing with you people.. 
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.24 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
you can nerf the raven when you nerf the sniper so that they have to wait that good 30 seconds for damage from 200km.
Yeah, all the cool kids snipe from 200km... no, wait...
You'll get a 3rd BS for that then all you Caldari people can have fun sniping from 250km. ******* loads of fun I tell you!
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.24 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Exile Devaltos
My Raven can do close to 1000 dps with some target painters and rage torps
It makes meatsauce out of any BS.
Oh btw, did I forget to mention I'm Caldari?
it does closer to 0 dps jammed which is what it will be if it meets a domi.
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Daiv Streck
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Posted - 2006.06.24 13:46:00 -
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So the Raven is good at PvE and okay at PvP. Is this a problem? Surely its a good thing that a ship is good at something. Now instead of crying "ItZ Gud NERf ITT!111!!!!!!" why don't we encourage the devs to find specialities and improvements for the other battleships? Or is it just the case that everyone resents something being good so they want to make everything crap? I'm not saying the Raven isn't a superb ship, it is. Wouldn't you rather all the battleships were that good?
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Stanis
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Posted - 2006.06.24 13:46:00 -
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OMG pls not again. The "Raven is overpowered" whine always hurts my head :(
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:11:00 -
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Aaaaaah yessss another Nerf Raven thread ... I was afraid I would go a whole week without my fix ...
The funny thing, for me, is that even with that amount of spam, the Raven won't get nerfed ... Precision Cruises just had a hit of nerfbat, ECM is due to get one, and the problem stems for that, NOT from the ship in itself.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:13:00 -
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Is this the thread where someone is going to post an anti-raven tempest setup (with AC obviously) ?
NB.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 24/06/2006 14:35:26
Well, a raven attacking you from 50 km+ is usually not really a danger, too. It can force you to warp out, yes, but it cannot really kill you unless it has tacklers. If ECM would be brought back to the mortal plane the raven would be pretty balanced for PvP.
For PvE it is IMO somewhat too strong, though. Yes, you can do lvl4s with other BSs, too, but nowhere as easily or with as low skill requirments as the raven. Leveling the playing field by either reducing the npc effeciency of the raven or boosting those of other ships would be nice. Because the raven certainly isn't that bad in PvP that it needs a huge PvE advantage to counter it.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 24/06/2006 04:29:38
Originally by: Theoraden
We killed 4 ravens last night with 2 hacs without losing our shield. They didn't seem so overpowered
Course you can kill the raven. You can kill many un-experienced pilots.
2006.06.24 02:53:53 combat Your Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo hits Neesa Corrinne [ADES]<CCC>'...'(Tempest), doing 689.6 damage.
Above is 2xBCU I's not II's, III torp spec, medium skills to support. Nothing to fancy, that's basic.
Congrats on your uber 0% resisted torp hit on an armor tanked tempests shield.
My fully trained missile ***** ass does 650dps with a Raven and 3 bcu II, that is counting the 5% launcher rate of fire implant. Nerf me please, I almost do as much DPS as a Deimos.
tbh with my crappy BS skills I do 600dps in my Armageddon.
The only thing is Raven doesn't have to worry about tracking... ever...
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