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Gryphon Infinite
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:07:00 -
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Greetings fellow players and CCP,
Please add a "Warp to 0 km" option inside of the Autopilot or Game settings. Instead of how it is now, how the Autopilot warps to 10 to 15 km out.
This new option is not forced on any Eve players. It will not be the default, and must be manually selected. This new option also doesn't create more afk'ers or hurt the game, it almost will slightly increase gank potential.
Here is some math:
If I want to Autopilot between Jita <> Amarr (9 Jumps) all day , and I have 20 billion in wealth. Thus I decide to make my total fitting and cargo when undocked a maximum of 1 out of 100 of my wealth. So 20 billion divided by 100 is 200 million total outdoor fitting. Thus what will happen is, I have 200 million fitted of Ship / Rigs / Cargo / Modules, etc.; autopiloting between the two hubs, with the new warp to zero feature. This is fair because I am certainly following rule 1 of Eve: Fly what you can afford to lose. (Although the specific value is subjective).
This new feature to the game will definitely increase commerce and trade. People can now take a tiny risk of autopilot afking, and do another task, and possibly finish the route when they get back.
Warp to zero will immensely cut down on travel time for Industrials, Freighters, Battleships, etc.
Trade, although boring to some, is necessary for the game. Trade is the backbone, and increased overturn of exchanges from player to player, will increase the amount of a certainpart ofthe game of which we all love, Combat! Please consider "Liking" my posts if you did enjoy them! It really helps, because I am indeed striving to make positive posts for our beloved game. :) |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5371
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:10:00 -
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The courier profession definitely needs fixing, but warp to zero is not how to do it.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2426
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:12:00 -
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Has it dawned on you that auto pilot might be like it is by design.... "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |

Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
445
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:12:00 -
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Work as intended TM. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |

Sugar Kyle
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
613
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:15:00 -
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No.
I spend more time in my freighter and jump freighter then my other ships. If they have time to auto-pilot they have time to showboat 15k and be in-convinced. Speeding up auto-pilot is removing reasons for people to sit at their keyboard and fly their ships.
And yes, doing logistics runs is boring. I spend the money to put implants in my freighter pilots head to improve her warp speed because it is boring. I keep my cargo down so that I reduce the risks of being ganked.
Now, if we ignore the speed argument we have the fact that any fast warping ship has no worries about moving around the game anymore. They just press auto-pilot and they are warping gate to gate faster than a player can hit the buttons. There is no more worries about muti-boxing. I don't have to remember that I'm flying when my husband comes home and I want to say hi. My ships may as well teleport to their end locations.
Flawless, perfect, gate to gate piloting. No errors. No mistakes. That's what you are suggesting.
Low Sec Lifestyle - A Blog |

Marsha Mallow
1213
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:15:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Greetings fellow players and CCP,
Please remove "Warp to 0 km" altogether
This will increase the amount of a certain part of the game of which we all love, Combat! I'm sure everyone would be delighted by this change (because I would). TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |

Paranoid Loyd
783
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:15:00 -
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Dis gon be good
Please pass popcorn "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

Ptraci
The Irukandji Ineluctable.
1806
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:18:00 -
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The autopilot not warping to zero is intentional by the devs. I remember them commenting about it oh some 8 years ago, claiming that they wish people would actually play the game instead of set the autopilot and go afk. You are free to go afk on autopilot but you inherit some risk if you do that. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2427
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:21:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dis gon be good
Please pass popcorn Beer aswell?
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5344
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:24:00 -
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You could, wait for it...
actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? The Paradox |
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
436
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:25:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Greetings fellow players and CCP,
Please add a "Warp to 0 km" option inside of the Autopilot or Game settings. Instead of how it is now, how the Autopilot warps to 10 to 15 km out.
This new option is not forced on any Eve players. It will not be the default, and must be manually selected. This new option also doesn't create more afk'ers or hurt the game, it almost will slightly increase gank potential.
Here is some math:
If I want to Autopilot between Jita <> Amarr (9 Jumps) all day , and I have 20 billion in wealth. Thus I decide to make my total fitting and cargo when undocked a maximum of 1 out of 100 of my wealth. So 20 billion divided by 100 is 200 million total outdoor fitting. Thus what will happen is, I have 200 million fitted of Ship / Rigs / Cargo / Modules, etc.; autopiloting between the two hubs, with the new warp to zero feature. This is fair because I am certainly following rule 1 of Eve: Fly what you can afford to lose. (Although the specific value is subjective).
This new feature to the game will definitely increase commerce and trade. People can now take a tiny risk of autopilot afking, and do another task, and possibly finish the route when they get back.
Warp to zero will immensely cut down on travel time for Industrials, Freighters, Battleships, etc.
Trade, although boring to some, is necessary for the game. Trade is the backbone, and increased overturn of exchanges from player to player, will increase the amount of a certainpart ofthe game of which we all love, Combat!
CCP will not remove the main way suicide ganks occur.
Having said that.
with a little playing around you can program a simple macro that will autopilot and warp you to zero by simulating keyboard and mouse commands. it is illegal and will get you banned if caught by CCP. fair warning. |

Paranoid Loyd
786
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:30:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Gryphon Infinite wrote:Greetings fellow players and CCP,
Please add a "Warp to 0 km" option inside of the Autopilot or Game settings. Instead of how it is now, how the Autopilot warps to 10 to 15 km out.
This new option is not forced on any Eve players. It will not be the default, and must be manually selected. This new option also doesn't create more afk'ers or hurt the game, it almost will slightly increase gank potential.
Here is some math:
If I want to Autopilot between Jita <> Amarr (9 Jumps) all day , and I have 20 billion in wealth. Thus I decide to make my total fitting and cargo when undocked a maximum of 1 out of 100 of my wealth. So 20 billion divided by 100 is 200 million total outdoor fitting. Thus what will happen is, I have 200 million fitted of Ship / Rigs / Cargo / Modules, etc.; autopiloting between the two hubs, with the new warp to zero feature. This is fair because I am certainly following rule 1 of Eve: Fly what you can afford to lose. (Although the specific value is subjective).
This new feature to the game will definitely increase commerce and trade. People can now take a tiny risk of autopilot afking, and do another task, and possibly finish the route when they get back.
Warp to zero will immensely cut down on travel time for Industrials, Freighters, Battleships, etc.
Trade, although boring to some, is necessary for the game. Trade is the backbone, and increased overturn of exchanges from player to player, will increase the amount of a certainpart ofthe game of which we all love, Combat! CCP will not remove the main way suicide ganks occur. Having said that. with a little playing around you can program a simple macro that will autopilot and warp you to zero by simulating keyboard and mouse commands. it is illegal and will get you banned if caught by CCP. fair warning.
While it is the most hilarious way it occurs it is certainly not the most common. More ignorance from a knowitall  "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

malcovas Henderson
THoF
190
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:32:00 -
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You already have W2Z. If you cannot be at the keyboard, then don't haul till you can. It really is that simple.
Although I suspect this is a troll post, as no one can be this stupid.............. Oh wait miners mining with Gankers in the system, Yes people can be this stupid. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12197
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:34:00 -
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If you want to warp to zero you have to play the game. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
663
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:37:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:You could, wait for it...
actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? A Marlona Sky post I agree with? That's it, the world is ending. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2504
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:41:00 -
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So lets optimize it even further!
Just add a button that takes 10% of your net worth with and adds 15% to that every you push it after 30 minutes. See we've taken the flying out it entirely! Pesky bad auto pilot be gone! Oh, to be fair you still have some chance of loosing that freighter on the other side when it starts to warp so the button has to have a 2% chance for every jump from where you are to Jita you would have to have taken that you lose the entire 10% plus the current market value of the freighter you aren't actually flying!
Or even better, save time and money, imagine you are playing and that you are a successful courier! Eliminate the risk and hassle of really playing all together! Heck since you are just imagining it, add WIS and let yourself run all null in your Eve day dreaming!! Why not also win a CSM in you head and imagine yourself to Iceland! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22776
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:42:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please add a "Warp to 0 km" option inside of the Autopilot or Game settings. Instead of how it is now, how the Autopilot warps to 10 to 15 km out. Why? What problem will it solve?
Quote:This new option is not forced on any Eve players. It will not be the default, and must be manually selected. This new option also doesn't create more afk'ers or hurt the game, it almost will slightly increase gank potential. All of this is incorrect. It will be the default; it will create more AFKers; it will hurt the game; it will drastically decrease gank potential. All of them are bad thing, and again, for what?
Quote:Warp to zero will immensely cut down on travel time for Industrials, Freighters, Battleships, etc. This already exists. If you want to cut down on travel time, just use it. There's no need to remove all incentives to not AFK just to replicate the pre-existing functionality. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3803
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:49:00 -
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CCP have claimed the reason auto-pilot drops one 15 km from the gate is to allow capacitor to recharge. |

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
290
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:54:00 -
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Well, long time no see age old thread topic ...
http://katdish.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/beating-a-dead-horse-horse-demotivational-poster-1267844749.jpg |

Boom McCondor
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:58:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:You could, wait for it...
actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? A Marlona Sky post I agree with? That's it, the world is ending. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! Ghostbusters! |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2814
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:10:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:You could, wait for it...
actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? Yes, it is. I can set buy and sell orders, and they are automatic and fill even if I am AFK. I can set industry jobs and they complete even if I am AFK, and will not complete faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a contract and it will be accepted even if I am AFK, and will not fill faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set up PI and it will work automatically, even if I am AFK, and will not fill go faster if I am at the keyboard. (Well, OK, I can set short cycles. But I still can be AFK most of the time.) I can set up a moon miner or POS reaction and it will work automatically even if I am AFK, and will not go faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a skill and it will train automatically even if I am AFK, and will not train faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a mobile tractor unit and salvage drones and clear a mission space even if I am AFK.
A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel?
Now, a bit of history: It use to be that all warps to a stargate or station would end up 15 km away. The goal was to make fights on gates feasible. But us clever players started making bookmarks at every gate and station, allowing warp to zero. The sever started straining under the load of hundreds of thousands of BMs, being created, copied, and used. So CCP made warp to zero part of the game, the compromise being "not on autopilot".
But that was years ago. Are we still stuck in the past on this one? After all, a freighter on autopilot is still a sitting duck when on the departure gate, this would not stop ganking. Also, sitting at a keyboard, pressing a button once every 3 minutes is hardly "playing a game". It's machine work, let a machine do it.
On the other extreme, the 15 km warp-to distance could be brought back for everyone by placing a 15 km warp disruption field around every gate. Would you all like that one? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1649

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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:17:00 -
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This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
I have also removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
27
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:18:00 -
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no, auto-piloting paints a big "gank me" target on your back. It's meant to be this way. Working as intended.
Want to travel faster? don't auto-pilot. |

Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
150
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:19:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Gryphon Infinite wrote:Greetings fellow players and CCP,
Please remove "Warp to 0 km" altogether
This will increase the amount of a certain part of the game of which we all love, Combat! I'm sure everyone would be delighted by this change (because I would). The devs that added warp to 0km due to the database strain caused by the thousands of gate bookmarks might not share your enthusiasm.  |

Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
48
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:20:00 -
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If you want to AFK a freight run, use a courier contract. "Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."-á |

Marsha Mallow
1216
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:20:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:On the other extreme, the 15 km warp-to distance could be brought back for everyone by placing a 15 km warp disruption field around every gate. Would you all like that one? I would, yup.
Vincent Athena wrote:A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel? Erm, because there would be no combat if travel is replaced by a teleportation system?
You can add hauling to your list of AFK activities like this. Here are some methods set a courier contract OR force a minion to move your stuff about OR ask blues nicely OR shout in length in comms until someone does it to shut you up
You're welcome. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2300
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:22:00 -
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Autopilot warping to 15k is working as intended. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22776
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:29:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: Yes, it is. I can set buy and sell orders, and they are automatic and fill even if I am AFK. I can set industry jobs and they complete even if I am AFK, and will not complete faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a contract and it will be accepted even if I am AFK, and will not fill faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set up PI and it will work automatically, even if I am AFK, and will not fill go faster if I am at the keyboard. (Well, OK, I can set short cycles. But I still can be AFK most of the time.) I can set up a moon miner or POS reaction and it will work automatically even if I am AFK, and will not go faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a skill and it will train automatically even if I am AFK, and will not train faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a mobile tractor unit and salvage drones and clear a mission space even if I am AFK.
GǪand all of them happen a whole lot slower and less efficiently if you do it AFK rather than monitor it closely. Same as travel. Yes, even industry or contracts, or PI, or POS reactions will work faster if you pay attention to them than if you just set them up and let them run their course.
The only thing on the list that doesn't is skill training, and that's because it's not actual gameplay.
Quote:A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel? Because, as with everything else, there should be a reward for being at the keyboard when you travel.
Quote:But that was years ago. Are we still stuck in the past on this one? Yes. Largely because there's no reason to change it, especially not with the numerous speed increases that have already happened over the last couple of years. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1278
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:35:00 -
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No.
The 15km is what identifies the people who are too lazy to sit and play. Darwinism handles the rest.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5347
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:41:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:You could, wait for it...
actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? A Marlona Sky post I agree with? That's it, the world is ending. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! Is this true? The Paradox |
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