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Gryphon Infinite Caldari Provisions Caldari State 49	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:07:00 - [1] - Quote Greetings fellow players and CCP, Please add a "Warp to 0 km" option inside of the Autopilot or Game settings. Instead of how it is now, how the Autopilot warps to 10 to 15 km out. This new option is not forced on any Eve players. It will not be the default, and must be manually selected. This new option also doesn't create more afk'ers or hurt the game, it almost will slightly increase gank potential. Here is some math: If I want to Autopilot between Jita <> Amarr (9 Jumps) all day , and I have 20 billion in wealth. Thus I decide to make my total fitting and cargo when undocked a maximum of 1 out of 100 of my wealth. So 20 billion divided by 100 is 200 million total outdoor fitting. Thus what will happen is, I have 200 million fitted of Ship / Rigs / Cargo / Modules, etc.; autopiloting between the two hubs, with the new warp to zero feature. This is fair because I am certainly following rule 1 of Eve: Fly what you can afford to lose. (Although the specific value is subjective). This new feature to the game will definitely increase commerce and trade. People can now take a tiny risk of autopilot afking, and do another task, and possibly finish the route when they get back. Warp to zero will immensely cut down on travel time for Industrials, Freighters, Battleships, etc. Trade, although boring to some, is necessary for the game. Trade is the backbone, and increased overturn of exchanges from player to player, will increase the amount of a certainpart ofthe game of which we all love, Combat! Please consider "Liking" my posts if you did enjoy them! It really helps, because I am indeed striving to make positive posts for our beloved game. :)
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 5371	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:10:00 - [2] - Quote The courier profession definitely needs fixing, but warp to zero is not how to do it. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2426	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:12:00 - [3] - Quote Has it dawned on you that auto pilot might be like it is by design.... "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 445	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:12:00 - [4] - Quote Work as intended TM. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch
Sugar Kyle Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder 613	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:15:00 - [5] - Quote No. I spend more time in my freighter and jump freighter then my other ships. If they have time to auto-pilot they have time to showboat 15k and be in-convinced. Speeding up auto-pilot is removing reasons for people to sit at their keyboard and fly their ships. And yes, doing logistics runs is boring. I spend the money to put implants in my freighter pilots head to improve her warp speed because it is boring. I keep my cargo down so that I reduce the risks of being ganked. Now, if we ignore the speed argument we have the fact that any fast warping ship has no worries about moving around the game anymore. They just press auto-pilot and they are warping gate to gate faster than a player can hit the buttons. There is no more worries about muti-boxing. I don't have to remember that I'm flying when my husband comes home and I want to say hi. My ships may as well teleport to their end locations. Flawless, perfect, gate to gate piloting. No errors. No mistakes. That's what you are suggesting. Low Sec Lifestyle - A Blog
Marsha Mallow 1213	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:15:00 - [6] - Quote Gryphon Infinite wrote: Greetings fellow players and CCP, Please remove "Warp to 0 km" altogether This will increase the amount of a certain part of the game of which we all love, Combat! I'm sure everyone would be delighted by this change (because I would). TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!
Paranoid Loyd 783	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:15:00 - [7] - Quote Dis gon be good Please pass popcorn "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
Ptraci The Irukandji Ineluctable. 1806	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:18:00 - [8] - Quote The autopilot not warping to zero is intentional by the devs. I remember them commenting about it oh some 8 years ago, claiming that they wish people would actually play the game instead of set the autopilot and go afk. You are free to go afk on autopilot but you inherit some risk if you do that.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2427	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:21:00 - [9] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Dis gon be good Please pass popcorn Beer aswell? "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5344	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:24:00 - [10] - Quote You could, wait for it... actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? The Paradox
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 436	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:25:00 - [11] - Quote Gryphon Infinite wrote: Greetings fellow players and CCP, Please add a "Warp to 0 km" option inside of the Autopilot or Game settings. Instead of how it is now, how the Autopilot warps to 10 to 15 km out. This new option is not forced on any Eve players. It will not be the default, and must be manually selected. This new option also doesn't create more afk'ers or hurt the game, it almost will slightly increase gank potential. Here is some math: If I want to Autopilot between Jita <> Amarr (9 Jumps) all day , and I have 20 billion in wealth. Thus I decide to make my total fitting and cargo when undocked a maximum of 1 out of 100 of my wealth. So 20 billion divided by 100 is 200 million total outdoor fitting. Thus what will happen is, I have 200 million fitted of Ship / Rigs / Cargo / Modules, etc.; autopiloting between the two hubs, with the new warp to zero feature. This is fair because I am certainly following rule 1 of Eve: Fly what you can afford to lose. (Although the specific value is subjective). This new feature to the game will definitely increase commerce and trade. People can now take a tiny risk of autopilot afking, and do another task, and possibly finish the route when they get back. Warp to zero will immensely cut down on travel time for Industrials, Freighters, Battleships, etc. Trade, although boring to some, is necessary for the game. Trade is the backbone, and increased overturn of exchanges from player to player, will increase the amount of a certainpart ofthe game of which we all love, Combat! CCP will not remove the main way suicide ganks occur. Having said that. with a little playing around you can program a simple macro that will autopilot and warp you to zero by simulating keyboard and mouse commands. it is illegal and will get you banned if caught by CCP. fair warning.
Paranoid Loyd 786	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:30:00 - [12] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Gryphon Infinite wrote: Greetings fellow players and CCP, Please add a "Warp to 0 km" option inside of the Autopilot or Game settings. Instead of how it is now, how the Autopilot warps to 10 to 15 km out. This new option is not forced on any Eve players. It will not be the default, and must be manually selected. This new option also doesn't create more afk'ers or hurt the game, it almost will slightly increase gank potential. Here is some math: If I want to Autopilot between Jita <> Amarr (9 Jumps) all day , and I have 20 billion in wealth. Thus I decide to make my total fitting and cargo when undocked a maximum of 1 out of 100 of my wealth. So 20 billion divided by 100 is 200 million total outdoor fitting. Thus what will happen is, I have 200 million fitted of Ship / Rigs / Cargo / Modules, etc.; autopiloting between the two hubs, with the new warp to zero feature. This is fair because I am certainly following rule 1 of Eve: Fly what you can afford to lose. (Although the specific value is subjective). This new feature to the game will definitely increase commerce and trade. People can now take a tiny risk of autopilot afking, and do another task, and possibly finish the route when they get back. Warp to zero will immensely cut down on travel time for Industrials, Freighters, Battleships, etc. Trade, although boring to some, is necessary for the game. Trade is the backbone, and increased overturn of exchanges from player to player, will increase the amount of a certainpart ofthe game of which we all love, Combat! CCP will not remove the main way suicide ganks occur. Having said that. with a little playing around you can program a simple macro that will autopilot and warp you to zero by simulating keyboard and mouse commands. it is illegal and will get you banned if caught by CCP. fair warning. While it is the most hilarious way it occurs it is certainly not the most common. More ignorance from a knowitall "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
malcovas Henderson THoF 190	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:32:00 - [13] - Quote You already have W2Z. If you cannot be at the keyboard, then don't haul till you can. It really is that simple. Although I suspect this is a troll post, as no one can be this stupid.............. Oh wait miners mining with Gankers in the system, Yes people can be this stupid.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12197	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:34:00 - [14] - Quote If you want to warp to zero you have to play the game. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 663	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:37:00 - [15] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: You could, wait for it... actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? A Marlona Sky post I agree with? That's it, the world is ending. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2504	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:41:00 - [16] - Quote So lets optimize it even further! Just add a button that takes 10% of your net worth with and adds 15% to that every you push it after 30 minutes. See we've taken the flying out it entirely! Pesky bad auto pilot be gone! Oh, to be fair you still have some chance of loosing that freighter on the other side when it starts to warp so the button has to have a 2% chance for every jump from where you are to Jita you would have to have taken that you lose the entire 10% plus the current market value of the freighter you aren't actually flying! Or even better, save time and money, imagine you are playing and that you are a successful courier! Eliminate the risk and hassle of really playing all together! Heck since you are just imagining it, add WIS and let yourself run all null in your Eve day dreaming!! Why not also win a CSM in you head and imagine yourself to Iceland!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 22776	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:42:00 - [17] - Quote Gryphon Infinite wrote: Please add a "Warp to 0 km" option inside of the Autopilot or Game settings. Instead of how it is now, how the Autopilot warps to 10 to 15 km out. Why? What problem will it solve? Quote: This new option is not forced on any Eve players. It will not be the default, and must be manually selected. This new option also doesn't create more afk'ers or hurt the game, it almost will slightly increase gank potential. All of this is incorrect. It will be the default; it will create more AFKers; it will hurt the game; it will drastically decrease gank potential. All of them are bad thing, and again, for what? Quote: Warp to zero will immensely cut down on travel time for Industrials, Freighters, Battleships, etc. This already exists. If you want to cut down on travel time, just use it. There's no need to remove all incentives to not AFK just to replicate the pre-existing functionality. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 3803	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:49:00 - [18] - Quote CCP have claimed the reason auto-pilot drops one 15 km from the gate is to allow capacitor to recharge.
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 290	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:54:00 - [19] - Quote Well, long time no see age old thread topic ... http://katdish.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/beating-a-dead-horse-horse-demotivational-poster-1267844749.jpg
Boom McCondor State War Academy Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:58:00 - [20] - Quote Falin Whalen wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: You could, wait for it... actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? A Marlona Sky post I agree with? That's it, the world is ending. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! Ghostbusters!
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2814	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:10:00 - [21] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: You could, wait for it... actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? Yes, it is. I can set buy and sell orders, and they are automatic and fill even if I am AFK. I can set industry jobs and they complete even if I am AFK, and will not complete faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a contract and it will be accepted even if I am AFK, and will not fill faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set up PI and it will work automatically, even if I am AFK, and will not fill go faster if I am at the keyboard. (Well, OK, I can set short cycles. But I still can be AFK most of the time.) I can set up a moon miner or POS reaction and it will work automatically even if I am AFK, and will not go faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a skill and it will train automatically even if I am AFK, and will not train faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a mobile tractor unit and salvage drones and clear a mission space even if I am AFK. A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel? Now, a bit of history: It use to be that all warps to a stargate or station would end up 15 km away. The goal was to make fights on gates feasible. But us clever players started making bookmarks at every gate and station, allowing warp to zero. The sever started straining under the load of hundreds of thousands of BMs, being created, copied, and used. So CCP made warp to zero part of the game, the compromise being "not on autopilot". But that was years ago. Are we still stuck in the past on this one? After all, a freighter on autopilot is still a sitting duck when on the departure gate, this would not stop ganking. Also, sitting at a keyboard, pressing a button once every 3 minutes is hardly "playing a game". It's machine work, let a machine do it. On the other extreme, the 15 km warp-to distance could be brought back for everyone by placing a 15 km warp disruption field around every gate. Would you all like that one? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1649	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:17:00 - [22] - Quote This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. I have also removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc. 27	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:18:00 - [23] - Quote no, auto-piloting paints a big "gank me" target on your back. It's meant to be this way. Working as intended. Want to travel faster? don't auto-pilot.
Tilly Delnero Licorne Ventures Ltd. 150	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:19:00 - [24] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Gryphon Infinite wrote: Greetings fellow players and CCP, Please remove "Warp to 0 km" altogether This will increase the amount of a certain part of the game of which we all love, Combat! I'm sure everyone would be delighted by this change (because I would). The devs that added warp to 0km due to the database strain caused by the thousands of gate bookmarks might not share your enthusiasm.
Vincenzo Arbosa Locust Assets 48	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:20:00 - [25] - Quote If you want to AFK a freight run, use a courier contract. "Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."-á
Marsha Mallow 1216	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:20:00 - [26] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: On the other extreme, the 15 km warp-to distance could be brought back for everyone by placing a 15 km warp disruption field around every gate. Would you all like that one? I would, yup. Vincent Athena wrote: A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel? Erm, because there would be no combat if travel is replaced by a teleportation system? You can add hauling to your list of AFK activities like this. Here are some methods set a courier contract OR force a minion to move your stuff about OR ask blues nicely OR shout in length in comms until someone does it to shut you up You're welcome. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 2300	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:22:00 - [27] - Quote Autopilot warping to 15k is working as intended.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 22776	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:29:00 - [28] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Yes, it is. I can set buy and sell orders, and they are automatic and fill even if I am AFK. I can set industry jobs and they complete even if I am AFK, and will not complete faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a contract and it will be accepted even if I am AFK, and will not fill faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set up PI and it will work automatically, even if I am AFK, and will not fill go faster if I am at the keyboard. (Well, OK, I can set short cycles. But I still can be AFK most of the time.) I can set up a moon miner or POS reaction and it will work automatically even if I am AFK, and will not go faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a skill and it will train automatically even if I am AFK, and will not train faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a mobile tractor unit and salvage drones and clear a mission space even if I am AFK. GÇªand all of them happen a whole lot slower and less efficiently if you do it AFK rather than monitor it closely. Same as travel. Yes, even industry or contracts, or PI, or POS reactions will work faster if you pay attention to them than if you just set them up and let them run their course. The only thing on the list that doesn't is skill training, and that's because it's not actual gameplay. Quote: A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel? Because, as with everything else, there should be a reward for being at the keyboard when you travel. Quote: But that was years ago. Are we still stuck in the past on this one? Yes. Largely because there's no reason to change it, especially not with the numerous speed increases that have already happened over the last couple of years. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1278	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:35:00 - [29] - Quote No. The 15km is what identifies the people who are too lazy to sit and play. Darwinism handles the rest. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5347	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:41:00 - [30] - Quote Falin Whalen wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: You could, wait for it... actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? A Marlona Sky post I agree with? That's it, the world is ending. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! Is this true? The Paradox
Fer'isam K'ahn None Of One 181	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:45:00 - [31] - Quote No, reasons Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?!
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 445	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:52:00 - [32] - Quote Even the CSM's are slapping this down, I don't have to say anything. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Iain Cariaba In Over Our Heads 93	Posted - 2014.07.02 22:05:00 - [33] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel? AFK travel is already there, you just can't warp to zero. Warp to zero is the incentive for actively piloting your ship. If you clould warp to zero on autopilot, when would you ever actively pilot your ship? You're already all but admitting you'd never do so by asking for this feature. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 927	Posted - 2014.07.02 22:08:00 - [34] - Quote Or... just ditch warp to zero for anyone! And introduce... warp to wtf? You click warp to zero, but actually you land anywhere in a random 20km sphere. And think 'wtf?'.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 308	Posted - 2014.07.02 22:09:00 - [35] - Quote I've never seen so many people want to add a "feature" that allows them play a game by not having to play a game at all. There's already enough ways to AFK in Eve; we don't need more ways, we need fewer if anything. 0/10
Ptraci The Irukandji Ineluctable. 1809	Posted - 2014.07.03 00:11:00 - [36] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: You could, wait for it... actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? Yes, it is. I can set buy and sell orders, and they are automatic and fill even if I am AFK. I can set industry jobs and they complete even if I am AFK, and will not complete faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a contract and it will be accepted even if I am AFK, and will not fill faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set up PI and it will work automatically, even if I am AFK, and will not fill go faster if I am at the keyboard. (Well, OK, I can set short cycles. But I still can be AFK most of the time.) I can set up a moon miner or POS reaction and it will work automatically even if I am AFK, and will not go faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a skill and it will train automatically even if I am AFK, and will not train faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a mobile tractor unit and salvage drones and clear a mission space even if I am AFK. And you can get ganked while AFK. Just set your autopilot and go AFK. What seems to be the problem?
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 445	Posted - 2014.07.03 00:25:00 - [37] - Quote How do you not stay busy in the game while making long trips anyways? Literally the only thing you can't do while manually piloting is keep the ISIS window open. Everything else leaves your overview and/or route unobstructed. Check the market. Check your assets. Check your email in the browser. Check reddit in the browser. Check your pron feed in the browser. Watch local and wave to people you know as you pass through, starting up a conversation that you allow to end abruptly because you don't bother to announce you're jumping to the next system. Gather an exhaustive list of everyone you see gate camping in obvious gank ships for your contacts so that you immediately know what's going on when you jump into a system. Check the map to see if there's some silly high sec war going on nearby so that you can possibly bring a load of POCO materials back with you to sell in the region at a premium...... So many things to do while piloting.... I regularly make runs of 80 jumps or more gathering all of my assets together. I've never been bored. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Dilligafmofo Sandman Plc 238	Posted - 2014.07.03 09:38:00 - [38] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: You could, wait for it... actually be at the keyboard and play the game. But I know, crazy talk right? Yes, it is. I can set buy and sell orders, and they are automatic and fill even if I am AFK. I can set industry jobs and they complete even if I am AFK, and will not complete faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a contract and it will be accepted even if I am AFK, and will not fill faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set up PI and it will work automatically, even if I am AFK, and will not fill go faster if I am at the keyboard. (Well, OK, I can set short cycles. But I still can be AFK most of the time.) I can set up a moon miner or POS reaction and it will work automatically even if I am AFK, and will not go faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a skill and it will train automatically even if I am AFK, and will not train faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a mobile tractor unit and salvage drones and clear a mission space even if I am AFK. A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel? Now, a bit of history: It use to be that all warps to a stargate or station would end up 15 km away. The goal was to make fights on gates feasible. But us clever players started making bookmarks at every gate and station, allowing warp to zero. The sever started straining under the load of hundreds of thousands of BMs, being created, copied, and used. So CCP made warp to zero part of the game, the compromise being "not on autopilot". But that was years ago. Are we still stuck in the past on this one? After all, a freighter on autopilot is still a sitting duck when on the departure gate, this would not stop ganking. Also, sitting at a keyboard, pressing a button once every 3 minutes is hardly "playing a game". It's machine work, let a machine do it. On the other extreme, the 15 km warp-to distance could be brought back for everyone by placing a 15 km warp disruption field around every gate. Would you all like that one? Everything you stated that runs whilst AFK do not require you to be in space. If you're in space and AFK, you should run the risk of being attacked. Period.
Samillian Angry Mustellid Overload Everything 573	Posted - 2014.07.03 09:42:00 - [39] - Quote Not supported. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 1226	Posted - 2014.07.03 11:45:00 - [40] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: No. The 15km is what identifies the people who are too lazy to sit and play. Darwinism handles the rest. m Exactly this..... All warp to zero on Auto pilot does is encourage Lazy and Stupid gameplay. why should someone AFK be able to play the game as well as someone who is at the computer. OP and his idea are terribad. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 289	Posted - 2014.07.03 12:43:00 - [41] - Quote It is apparently hard to understand that the trade-off of time for attention which Autopilot's distance limitation represents is intentional... The only way I could conceive of agreeing with the idea is if AP to Station were removed - so that a W20 AP ship might arrive in its destination system earlier but it sits in space for longer. With the current door-to-door system the effect of W20 AP would only increase laziness - at least if that freighter was sitting off the Perimeter gate in Jita for a few hours at the end of its trip there would be some sensible level of risk...
Pearl Canopus 20	Posted - 2014.07.03 12:55:00 - [42] - Quote -1 I'm a lazy carebear myself. But I have no interest to reward afk-gameplay or botting. So, of course I say NO. There's no need to give more feedback to this repeatedly provided topic. I confirm with the existence of this feature in general and I'm agree with the higher risk while running ships afk. And this is the only reason for running autopiloted.
w3ak3stl1nk Hedion University 72	Posted - 2014.07.03 12:56:00 - [43] - Quote I think it should be 30 km instead of 15 km. The current number is already generous. Is that my two cents or yours?
Fer'isam K'ahn None Of One 182	Posted - 2014.07.03 13:06:00 - [44] - Quote Since this stupid idea is still up... Does a Disruptor cancle the autopilot once the target is warp disrupted once ? Meaning does the AP activate itself again after the disrupt fails or does it have to be done manually? If it has to be done manually and ever should get implemented, then I officially volunteer herebey for suicide disrupting at the 0.5 chokepoints 2 hours every day. Then we would have all the afk APs drifting in space ready to be picked up by gankers. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?!
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2439	Posted - 2014.07.03 13:12:00 - [45] - Quote Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: Since this stupid idea is still up... Does a Disruptor cancle the autopilot once the target is warp disrupted once ? Meaning does the AP activate itself again after the disrupt fails or does it have to be done manually? If it has to be done manually and ever should get implemented, then I officially volunteer herebey for suicide disrupting at the 0.5 chokepoints 2 hours every day. Then we would have all the afk APs drifting in space ready to be picked up by gankers. I endorse this product and/or service. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Iain Cariaba In Over Our Heads 94	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:50:00 - [46] - Quote Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: Since this stupid idea is still up... Does a Disruptor cancle the autopilot once the target is warp disrupted once ? Meaning does the AP activate itself again after the disrupt fails or does it have to be done manually? If it has to be done manually and ever should get implemented, then I officially volunteer herebey for suicide disrupting at the 0.5 chokepoints 2 hours every day. Then we would have all the afk APs drifting in space ready to be picked up by gankers. I'll volunteer for this job and cover another 2 hours every day. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 115	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:13:00 - [47] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Yes, it is. I can set buy and sell orders, and they are automatic and fill even if I am AFK. I can set industry jobs and they complete even if I am AFK, and will not complete faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a contract and it will be accepted even if I am AFK, and will not fill faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set up PI and it will work automatically, even if I am AFK, and will not fill go faster if I am at the keyboard. (Well, OK, I can set short cycles. But I still can be AFK most of the time.) I can set up a moon miner or POS reaction and it will work automatically even if I am AFK, and will not go faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a skill and it will train automatically even if I am AFK, and will not train faster if I am at the keyboard. I can set a mobile tractor unit and salvage drones and clear a mission space even if I am AFK. A tremendous part of the game is already done AFK, and much of it is not made faster by being at the keyboard. Why not travel? Every single one of those either has you perfectly safe in a station (which is great for AFK activity), or in space and vulnerable to being attacked (which is how being AFK in space should be). As you so eloquently put it, why not travel? Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
CloudyHi Crush Skunk Works Development 2	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:24:00 - [48] - Quote I propose we increase the distance to 25km off the gate. That would drastically fix autopilot because then it would be a huge risk of using it. Problem sovled due to the autopilot now not being a benefit.
Victus Menethil Odyssey Corporation The Gallows Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:39:00 - [49] - Quote "Flawless, perfect, gate to gate piloting. No errors. No mistakes. That's what you are suggesting." That's how an efficient auto-pilot program works. Maximum profit with minimum effort is what everyone wants.
Fer'isam K'ahn None Of One 182	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:48:00 - [50] - Quote Victus Menethil wrote: "Flawless, perfect, gate to gate piloting. No errors. No mistakes. That's what you are suggesting." That's how an efficient auto-pilot program works. Maximum profit with minimum effort is what everyone wants. Lol, warp to x and 'jump' ist the autopilot, I don't see you or anyone else making warp calculations, triangulating enter and exit point, scanning the system for deviation influences and possible 'deadly' obstacles. And neither do you make any adjustments to align with the jumpgate, maneuvering into position, preparing the ship for the jump and after following all the instructions of the gate crew giving some prayers to the gods of hyperspace to let you savely arrive and not disappear in a cloud of subatomic particles. The ingame AP button is the "I give a ******** about everyone else" button of Lazyness. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?!
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1137	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:58:00 - [51] - Quote Tippia wrote: The only thing on the list that doesn't is skill training, and that's because it's not actual gameplay. Hey there, I'm without any actual good internet connection because I am in the middle of a move so I only get to update a skill queue but you will not go around saying I am not playing EVE dammit!!!
Velicitia Arma Artificer 2399	Posted - 2014.07.04 14:05:00 - [52] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: Since this stupid idea is still up... Does a Disruptor cancle the autopilot once the target is warp disrupted once ? Meaning does the AP activate itself again after the disrupt fails or does it have to be done manually? If it has to be done manually and ever should get implemented, then I officially volunteer herebey for suicide disrupting at the 0.5 chokepoints 2 hours every day. Then we would have all the afk APs drifting in space ready to be picked up by gankers. I'll volunteer for this job and cover another 2 hours every day. Any preferences for which chokepoint? will set up contracts for tackle boats there One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Iain Cariaba Veritas Theory 99	Posted - 2014.07.04 15:20:00 - [53] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: Since this stupid idea is still up... Does a Disruptor cancle the autopilot once the target is warp disrupted once ? Meaning does the AP activate itself again after the disrupt fails or does it have to be done manually? If it has to be done manually and ever should get implemented, then I officially volunteer herebey for suicide disrupting at the 0.5 chokepoints 2 hours every day. Then we would have all the afk APs drifting in space ready to be picked up by gankers. I'll volunteer for this job and cover another 2 hours every day. Any preferences for which chokepoint? will set up contracts for tackle boats there WAIT! Stop, slow down.... We're on the verge of :gasp: generating content here. Let's all stop before we offend OP by actually playing the game. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 24	Posted - 2014.07.04 16:32:00 - [54] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Velicitia wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: Since this stupid idea is still up... Does a Disruptor cancle the autopilot once the target is warp disrupted once ? Meaning does the AP activate itself again after the disrupt fails or does it have to be done manually? If it has to be done manually and ever should get implemented, then I officially volunteer herebey for suicide disrupting at the 0.5 chokepoints 2 hours every day. Then we would have all the afk APs drifting in space ready to be picked up by gankers. I'll volunteer for this job and cover another 2 hours every day. Any preferences for which chokepoint? will set up contracts for tackle boats there WAIT! Stop, slow down.... We're on the verge of :gasp: generating content here. Let's all stop before we offend OP by actually playing the game. ap to zero doesn't change what you are planning to do at all. ap to zero isn't needed the way things are is fine. Just don't go back to where all warps would land 10-15km from gate and needing bm to be able to warp to zero for everygate
Saisin State War Academy Caldari State 88	Posted - 2014.07.04 17:51:00 - [55] - Quote To the point of the OP post: implementing his suggestion would be fairer to ALL players in Eve. There is no reason whatsoever why those that are skilled with tools like autohotkey should be the only ones benefiting from out of game autopilots warping to 0 On top of that CCP made this kind of out of game automation even easier to do by automatically putting into the select window the next destination after each gate jump. "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html
Iain Cariaba Veritas Theory 99	Posted - 2014.07.04 19:29:00 - [56] - Quote Saisin wrote: To the point of the OP post: implementing his suggestion would be fairer to ALL players in Eve. There is no reason whatsoever why those that are skilled with tools like autohotkey should be the only ones benefiting from out of game autopilots warping to 0 On top of that CCP made this kind of out of game automation even easier to do by automatically putting into the select window the next destination after each gate jump. The current system is already fair to all players in eve simply because those using the auto hotkeys are violating the EULA and therefore cheating. The fairness to all is as follows: All people using autopilot end up ~15km from gate. All people flying manually land at selected warp to distance. Where's the unfairness, cause that looks pretty fair to me. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
Tyrone Alyeh Dark Matter Specialists Reckoning Star Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.07.04 20:17:00 - [57] - Quote I disagree on almost every point. I think you're just lazy. However... Gryphon Infinite wrote: it almost will slightly increase gank potential. Are you a liar, too? How could this possibly increase gank potential? Oh, I see, you said "almost slightly" -- so by that you meant "not at all?" Where are these ganks coming in? Why would there be more potential to gank someone warping to 0 instead of warping to 12? Oh, you mean people will actually begin autopiloting, which makes them slightly more vulnerable than if they were at their keyboard? Why? That only seems even kinda-true if they have active tank mods. What'd be the penalty to autopiloting, then? Do you think autopilot shouldn't have a penalty? The autopilot penalty is OBVIOUSLY intentional, so if you're petitioning for it to be removed, why don't you just say "I suggest removing the autopilot penalty!" instead of dressing it up like it's a brand new idea with all these great side-effects?
Tyrone Alyeh Dark Matter Specialists Reckoning Star Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.07.04 20:24:00 - [58] - Quote Bohneik Itohn wrote: How do you not stay busy in the game while making long trips anyways? Literally the only thing you can't do while manually piloting is keep the ISIS window open. Everything else leaves your overview and/or route unobstructed. Check the market. Check your assets. Check your email in the browser. Check reddit in the browser. Check your pron feed in the browser. Watch local and wave to people you know as you pass through, starting up a conversation that you allow to end abruptly because you don't bother to announce you're jumping to the next system. Gather an exhaustive list of everyone you see gate camping in obvious gank ships for your contacts so that you immediately know what's going on when you jump into a system. Check the map to see if there's some silly high sec war going on nearby so that you can possibly bring a load of POCO materials back with you to sell in the region at a premium...... So many things to do while piloting.... I regularly make runs of 80 jumps or more gathering all of my assets together. I've never been bored. You can keep the ISIS window open. In fact, I often brush up on ships as I manually pilot long distances. You just have to click the overview to warp (your route itself is hidden).

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