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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
223
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:40:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Just sayin... Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame. Conspiracy? 
Just like in the RL every military faction is required to have distinctive markings and insignias in order to be correctly identified. (Except for black-ops, which do not use them while in operations usually, but are still required to have and display them when not in combat). This is needed to protect against false-flag operations. There are several conventions in place that specifically prohibit a military from using another military's identification (uniforms, insignia, flag, etc.). In EVE (we're talking the 221st and 1/2 century here) visual identification doesn't take the prime place anymore (there's no guy with a spy-glass calling "engine-ho!" whenever a ship comes around) and instead computerized identification (FoFs, transponders etc.) take the spotlight. If camo would be applied to ships in space the only true option would be black, but then again (if based on visual identification) it would be kinda hard to pick out the enemy in a swarm of black ships.
Therefore, in EVE, if camo for the sake of hiding the object fails - what is it for then? And the answer as stated by many ppl is simple - to standardize and create a visual distinction between the different faction navies and armies. Take the Caldari for example and their well-known "****-blue" (ahem!) paint-job and their navy-blue camo. It's not used to hide the ship per-say (even if the Caldari nebula is blue) but instead it takes it's roots from the pre-space era. When most likely the Caldari Navy, sailing the oceans of Caldari Prime used it for camouflage. When the space-era came, in order to maintain a clear distinction between their ships and other (factions or corporations) the logical step was to keep the Navy camo, again as a distinctive marking not as camo. And this appies to the other 3 Empires also. Why devise a new camo (which for all point and practices would be not effective) when u can keep the old one and thus retain the feel of tradition, continuity and belonging to a group that is very old and proud. This would happen in the RL world if suddenly we would have a functional space-armada - it would either take the markings of the Air Force or the Navy (somehow I have the feeling the Europeans will stick with Navy :P) while your "bad ass team of ultimate bad-asses"* will side with the Marines :P and keep the green uniform, not because it hides them in space but because "Hoorah!" .
Hope that clears things up for you.
* pour les connaisseurs
"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid" - Ramona McCandless, Untitled Accepting donations for a Nestor (every 1 ISK counts) |

Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
84
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Posted - 2014.07.08 17:19:00 -
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Another one who has not served and made something up 
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TharOkha
0asis Group
834
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Posted - 2014.07.09 05:05:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?
Or flat grey?
Or splattered in pretty red stains?
This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains.
And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1830
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Posted - 2014.07.09 05:23:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Just sayin... Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame. Conspiracy? 
Because "Thou shall not blaspheme the noble Gallente Federation"
(this post = oh, no..... Gara's back) That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6047
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Posted - 2014.07.09 07:29:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?
Or flat grey?
Or splattered in pretty red stains? This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains. And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))
Are you actually trying to say that you think camo is a more likely colour to find a ship in than flat grey, flat tan ("gold", snerk), flat snot-green or brown?
Yeah, but no "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1830
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Posted - 2014.07.09 07:37:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?
Or flat grey?
Or splattered in pretty red stains? This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains. And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))
Ummm..... Cop Comet is back. That happened almost 6 months ago. And I don't ever remember Vindi going camo, unless it was a short-lived thing that happened during one of my inactive periods. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23013
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Posted - 2014.07.09 07:51:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Another one who has not served and made something up  Incorrect. It's another one who explains in very simple terms the reasons why anyone would pick a particular paint scheme for their ships, and you being utterly incapable of coming up with any kind of counter-argument so you have to make something up (and fail massively at that too).
You're wrong. About everything. Live with it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3830
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Posted - 2014.07.09 08:04:00 -
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Camo is awesome, especially the digital paint job I used to have on my old S-13 180SX.
Also, OP is dumb for being so cynical over something so trivial. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1830
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Posted - 2014.07.09 09:13:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Camo is awesome, especially the digital paint job I used to have on my old S-13 180SX.
Also, OP is dumb for being so cynical over something so trivial.
AND a fellow Nissan man. I knew here was a reason I always liked you. :p That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
84
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Posted - 2014.07.09 20:37:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?
Or flat grey?
Or splattered in pretty red stains? This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains. And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))
Too bad they didn't change all the Minmitar ships back, I see even some stations are being painted camo. |

Boom McCondor
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:34:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Tippia wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:Camo has historical significance? This is gotta hear  Sure. It's as much a unit identifier as any other marking or colouration. All such identifiers can gain some kind of significance over time. No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with. BDUs are all the same. Slight correction here. You're allowed to wear the patch of any unit you've gone to combat with on the right shoulder as well as the US flag. I think they're phasing out the combat patch in favor of a pocket badge, though. The left shoulder is reserved solely for your current unit. |

KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
631
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:51:00 -
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CCP fired all the lore people.
Actually this is incentive plan for Aurum based paint jobs. They will make your favorite PvP hull so damn ugly you'll gladly plex to get the dancing pink elephants painted over.  CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1237
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Posted - 2014.07.09 22:00:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP fired all the lore people. Actually this is incentive plan for Aurum based paint jobs. They will make your favorite PvP hull so damn ugly you'll gladly plex to get the dancing pink elephants painted over.  This only works on those who get offended by a paint job in a game where many spend a large portion of their undocked time zoomed too far out to see it, and that those who don't are all somehow offended by camo. <3 Navy Mega, camo and all. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
654
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Posted - 2014.07.09 22:49:00 -
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Not everyone can be flying a Serpentis ship.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3854
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:00:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP fired all the lore people.
This would never happen, CCP still need them for PR. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
937
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:14:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP fired all the lore people.
This would never happen, CCP still need them for PR.
nah just bribe the larger nullsec entities into having a "big space battle" every 6 months or so.
dem goons doe |

Rankan
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:26:00 -
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Camo looks better than rust, which in my experience has been the main reason for spraying a vehicle with it.
So blame the Minmatar.
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masternerdguy
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
1764
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:06:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote: This would happen in the RL world if suddenly we would have a functional space-armada - it would either take the markings of the Air Force or the Navy (somehow I have the feeling the Europeans will stick with Navy :P) while your "bad ass team of ultimate bad-asses"* will side with the Marines :P and keep the green uniform, not because it hides them in space but because "Hoorah!" .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYGgOXww48
Indeed. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
937
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Posted - 2014.07.10 04:11:00 -
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Rankan wrote:Camo looks better than rust, which in my experience has been the main reason for spraying a vehicle with it.
So blame the Minmatar.
It's not rust it is patina, and Minmatar started the whole "rat rod" fad. |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2014.07.10 09:33:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote: This would happen in the RL world if suddenly we would have a functional space-armada - it would either take the markings of the Air Force or the Navy (somehow I have the feeling the Europeans will stick with Navy :P) while your "bad ass team of ultimate bad-asses"* will side with the Marines :P and keep the green uniform, not because it hides them in space but because "Hoorah!" .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYGgOXww48Indeed.
State of the badass art!...
"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid" - Ramona McCandless, Untitled Accepting donations for a Nestor (every 1 ISK counts) |

Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
86
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Posted - 2014.07.10 14:19:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP fired all the lore people. Actually this is incentive plan for Aurum based paint jobs. They will make your favorite PvP hull so damn ugly you'll gladly plex to get the dancing pink elephants painted over. 
I was thinking that, but I didn't want to give them ideas 
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1415
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Posted - 2014.07.10 14:44:00 -
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Solution: Add forests into space.... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2014.07.12 15:22:00 -
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Camo skins in EVE should be darked with star patterns painted across
Oh wait the universe is multicolored and bright and underwater nevermind New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |

Tara Vorkosigan
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
2
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:07:00 -
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Honestly, the paintjob on your ship has no bearing whatsoever, as there's never an opportunity to aim and fight manually anyway. You have to have a target lock, which uses your ship's active sensors, and the electronic signature of the ship. Only way to cover up that electronic signature is to specifically build your ship to be stealthier. And honestly, it makes sense to not be able to fire without a lock. otherwise you'll be flying along one day in a freighter and run into a capital shell that's been flying through space from an engagement two years ago but nothing had activated its prox fuse until now. |

Cadinie
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
15
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:59:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Solution: Add forests into space....
I agree, we need more space trees and space mountains. Maybe even add in some space shrubberies. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
958
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Posted - 2014.07.13 23:42:00 -
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Cadinie wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Solution: Add forests into space.... I agree, we need more space trees and space mountains. Maybe even add in some space shrubberies.
oh ... I can just see the mission instructions now ...
" ... then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle " |

Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
372
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with.
BDUs are all the same. GǪand yet they will let you identify the unit and as such can gain historical significance. MCCUU Gëá DCU Gëá ACU Gëá NWU Gëá etc (and that's just for the last decade and a single nation GÇö add ODs to the list and you immediately introduce historical significance). Again, it's no different from any other marking in that regard.
Until you realize most militaries worth their salt are using multicam nowadays... |

Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:14:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Tippia wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:Camo has historical significance? This is gotta hear  Sure. It's as much a unit identifier as any other marking or colouration. All such identifiers can gain some kind of significance over time. No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with. BDUs are all the same.
Do tell...shoulder patches on bdu are the only differentiation between army, navy, air force, and Marines. Really?
Army isn't all there is in the US, it's simply the lowest common denominator. |

Boom McCondor
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.07.15 19:49:00 -
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Hiply Rustic wrote:Army isn't all there is in the US, it's simply the lowest common denominator. I was in the 82nd, so I say BOO TO YOU, SIR! |

Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
96
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:21:00 -
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Boom McCondor wrote:Hiply Rustic wrote:Army isn't all there is in the US, it's simply the lowest common denominator. I was in the 82nd, so I say BOO TO YOU, SIR!
Yup, a leg is a leg is a leg, if it is not Airborne it is just "everything else"  |
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