Since the visuals don't matter, forest camo is no more or less dumb than any other, so you might as well paint the ship in whatever looks good or has some historical significance.

Camo has historical significance? This is gotta hear

Sure. It's as much a unit identifier as any other marking or colouration. All such identifiers can gain some kind of significance over time.

No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with.

BDUs are all the same.

GǪand yet they will let you identify the unit and as such can gain historical significance. MCCUU Gëá DCU Gëá ACU Gëá NWU Gëá etc (and that's just for the last decade and a single nation GÇö add ODs to the list and you immediately introduce historical significance). Again, it's no different from any other marking in that regard.

Just sayin...


Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame.

Conspiracy?

Would you mind telling me what those abbreviated designations are tippa?
Genuinely interested here.
No need for gratuitous details now, just enough point me for my own research.

Of course you are correct.
The stealth ships should all be matte black, with radar absorbing paint, aka B2 bombers.

Actually, it's not all that bad.
Edit: the use of word there isn't a reflection of anything.
as far as I'm aware it was rather effective, looked awesome and irritated the **** out of the top brass, allround win

I think the camo paint jobs are ugly

Camo has historical significance? This is gotta hear

You're British aren't you? Silly Redcoats.

Hey now, we invented camo uniforms. Hence our love for khaki

Would you mind telling me what those abbreviated designations are tippa?
Genuinely interested here.
No need for gratuitous details now, just enough point me for my own research.

The US military has so many damn abbreviations it isn't funny. Hard to remember them all, and even harder to remember the full technical name that goes with them.

Ouch My Head

Its not forest camo its kelp camo.

Its to help you when you are hiding in kelp forests from the space whales.

Sure. It's as much a unit identifier as any other marking or colouration. All such identifiers can gain some kind of significance over time.

Isn't the point of camouflage to make it HARDER to identify something?
That's why it's called camouflage. To hide it / Make it hard to see and/or identify.

I scratch my head ... and wonder.

Humans have proven throughout history there always has been, and always will be, a market for frivolous items bought by frivolous people.

Its not forest camo its kelp camo.

Its to help you when you are hiding in kelp forests from the space whales.

The point of camouflage is to break up the figure of the object being camouflaged against the foreground and background. That doesn't mean that when you see the camo on display (as opposed to hidden in a ditch behind a bush), its pattern is distinctive enough to tell you something about its origins.

I sense the Jaws theme heading towards this thread.

Forest camo in the desert is even dumber. Have you seen the news from the middle east lately?

Sharks are but a footnote compared to the terror of that blasted whale!

Ahh I get it, thanks!

Sharks? Pfffft, 6 inch tall nature fairies are scarier. You all would know this if you a) had small daughters and b) have seen Tinker Bell: The Pirate Fairy half a dozen times.

GǪand yet they will let you identify the unit and as such can gain historical significance. MCCUU Gëá DCU Gëá ACU Gëá NWU Gëá etc (and that's just for the last decade and a single nation GÇö add ODs to the list and you immediately introduce historical significance). Again, it's no different from any other marking in that regard.

Since the visuals don't matter, forest camo is no more or less dumb than any other, so you might as well paint the ship in whatever looks good or has some historical significance.

Someone can wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_the_United_States_Armed_Forces

The patch is the unit identifier the camo is not. Seeing as how the older patteern is only from 2002. The camo has no historic significance. On a side note are you home bound?

Also would like to add space camo is not that stupid.

Someone can wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_the_United_States_Armed_Forces

The patch is the unit identifier the camo is not. Seeing as how the older patteern is only from 2002. The camo has no historic significance. On a side note are you home bound?

Just sayin...


Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame.

Conspiracy?

A spaceships locking system isn't jammed by the color of a ship.

GǪand yet they will let you identify the unit and as such can gain historical significance. MCCUU Gëá DCU Gëá ACU Gëá NWU Gëá etc (and that's just for the last decade and a single nation GÇö add ODs to the list and you immediately introduce historical significance). Again, it's no different from any other marking in that regard.

The patch is the unit identifier the camo is not.

Seeing as how the older patteern is only from 2002. The camo has no historic significance.

while you're asking questions about camo in space, you should also ask why spaceships have lights on them.

So you know which side to pass them on in the shipping lanes.

i am still looking for Hello Kitty Scorpion

Just sayin...


Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame.

Conspiracy?

Wow, your corp's name!

I can't even imagine how two girls would be running like that.........

It's a stretch, but I suppose you could say the digital camo on the ships is there to distort the thermal signature. Make the ship look like "noise" rather than a defined outline.

I suspect it would have an added shield bonus as missiles would be repulsed by its appearance...

There Ain't No Stealth In Space
"The Space Shuttle's much weaker main engines could be detected past the orbit of Pluto. The Space Shuttle's manoeuvering thrusters could be seen as far as the asteroid belt. And even a puny ship using ion drive to thrust at a measly 1/1000 of a g could be spotted at one astronomical unit."

I don't think muddling one's heat signature is going to make a bit of difference. Especially given how much energy EVE ships radiate.

That's assuming you don't do crazy stuff like place a refrigerated heat shield between your engines and your target, with the head being radiated out into space in the opposite direction. A bit of clever engineering and careful science-ing will leave you with a ship that is hard to detect except for the occasional occultation.

Since the visuals don't matter, forest camo is no more or less dumb than any other, so you might as well paint the ship in whatever looks good or has some historical significance.

BDUs are all the same.

GǪand yet it is an identifier for the unit that can hold historic significance just like any other marking, as it is doing today and has done multiple times in the past. Or are you saying that ODs don't show history? What about m/39s? What about redcoats? What about the pr+ªtorian sash?

Or are you just futilely trying to pick away at a single word in the hope that it will somehow undo the entire history of military design choices?

Yeah, see, GÇ£historical significanceGÇ¥ is not limited to what's currently old or new. The WTC attacks are of historical significance, and they're only from 2001. The banking collapse is of historical significance and it is only from 2008. The Ukranian revolution is of historical significance and it is only from 2014.

A pattern from 2002 is of historical significance because it signals that this is a unit from the early 21st century. It'll be very helpful for identification purposes by 2100. Whether it'll symbolise something that's worth preserving and re-enacting is a a question for the future.

So you know which side to pass them on in the shipping lanes.

Never served international, eh?

Stop, a unit is a small group, like the 1/325 in the 82nd Airborne, the pattern is not "per unit" all units in the Army where the same thing if they are located in the same place. The pattern is location specific, desert, jungle, etc.

The pattern has N O T H I N G to do with identifying the unit.

All this shows is you have never served and are talking out your ass.

Stop, a unit is a small group, like the 1/325 in the 82nd Airborne, the pattern is not "per unit" all units in the Army where the same thing if they are located in the same place. The pattern is location specific, desert, jungle, etc.

The pattern has N O T H I N G to do with identifying the unit.

Hi, I've served. Sure, in each individual branch, camo is (mostly) the same. Most people though, see the US military is one big huge lump. In that situation, yes, different camo lets you tell the difference between, say, a sailor and an airman.

Hell, just on that topic, go research the early days and development of MARPAT. It was such a good design, other branches wanted to use it. The Marines threw a huge snitfit over it, and went as far as integrating the EGA into the camo pattern itself, to keep other branches from using it.

"But I don't want to wear forest camo in the desert, they will see me??!!!??"
"Shutup soldier, it is our unit colors"



It is preposterous on the face of it.

GǪaside from telling you something about what unit it is, like the details you just mentioned, even down to pinpointing a time and place for its existence. The pattern, like all other markings, is something that identifies the unit.

You see, the very novel concept that you apparently can't get into your tiny little military brain (and as someone who teaches people with these kinds of brains and who sees all kinds of patterns go by outside my office window due to the number and variety of visitors we get from all over the globe, I can speak with some authority on the matterGǪ see how that works? Do you really want to go down that particular route?) is that it doesn't have to be Gǣper unitGǥ to do this. It just have to be different from other patterns used by other groups at other times and/or in other places.

If, for instance and for some inconceivable reason, someone would want to immortalise an USMC field unit from the early 21st centry, you bet your arse that MARPAT would be a component in that tribute.

The camo pattern you wear comes from the location you deploy. If you deploy to the desert you wear desert camo.

The purpose is to hide soldiers and equipment from view by blending in to the terrain and it has nothing to do with unit identification.

It is that simple, and if you served then you know this, they teach in basic training.


"But I don't want to wear forest camo in the desert, they will see me??!!!??"

"Shutup soldier, it is our unit colors"



It is preposterous on the face of it.

lol, do you have any idea how silly you sound, you are posting random stuff you looked up and you don't realize it doesn't "go" together, that is how I know you did not serve. Keep making stuff up, you are entertaining the troops

I can't help noticing that you are unable to actually refute anything I say and instead have to invent all kinds of new pathetic fantasy stories to make your previous hallucinations match with how things have evolvedGǪ I have some splendid copypasta ready for just such kinds of occasions, but I'll spare you.

So yeah, camo, like all other markings and colourations, is a unit identifier and as such can gain some kind of significance over time. The notion that a tribute to a historical unit would include its famous camo pattern isn't exactly unimaginable, as you have come to realise in spite of not wanting to admit it.

There is nothing to refute, the plain and obvious purpose for camo is to visually hide the person or equipment. You, a civilian, has made up some historical purpose to support a dumb design in a game.

Space ships do not need to be hidden visually and if they did, camo from a planets surface, would be the incorrect type.

No matter how much you troll with off the wall posts you got from reading some internet site, you cannot change those basic facts.

There is nothing to refute

You, a civilian, has made up some historical purpose to support a dumb design in a game.

Space ships do not need to be hidden visually and if they did, camo from a planets surface, would be the incorrect type.

No matter how much you troll with off the wall posts you got from reading some internet site, you cannot change those basic facts.

Forest Camo In Space Is Dumb

Camo is the new black. Adapt or get out of the way

ib4l

Of course you are correct.
The stealth ships should all be matte black, with radar absorbing paint, aka B2 bombers.

But nope, CCP instead tries to squeeze cash out of silly people with various skins.
Humans have proven throughout history there always has been, and always will be, a market for frivolous items bought by frivolous people.

I dunno.

If it works for this girl ...

Camo Bikini

It should work for a cruiser.

We're talking about a game where one race is shooting 'lasers' and Tachyon Beams and another is using ARTILLERY and Autocannons lol. And this game has SHIELDS strong enough to protect a ship from above mentioned high powered directed energy weapons, but somehow not strong enough to protect the same ships from minmatar bullets....

Just sayin...


Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame.

Conspiracy?

I dunno.

If it works for this girl ...

Camo Bikini

It should work for a cruiser.

As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?

Or flat grey?

Or splattered in pretty red stains?

No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with.

BDUs are all the same.

Tippia was right..

As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?

Or flat grey?

Or splattered in pretty red stains?

Just sayin...


Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame.

Conspiracy?

This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains.

And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))

This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains.

And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))

Another one who has not served and made something up

Camo is awesome, especially the digital paint job I used to have on my old S-13 180SX.

Also, OP is dumb for being so cynical over something so trivial.

This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains.

And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))

No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with.

BDUs are all the same.

CCP fired all the lore people.

Actually this is incentive plan for Aurum based paint jobs. They will make your favorite PvP hull so damn ugly you'll gladly plex to get the dancing pink elephants painted over.

CCP fired all the lore people.

This would never happen, CCP still need them for PR.

This would happen in the RL world if suddenly we would have a functional space-armada - it would either take the markings of the Air Force or the Navy (somehow I have the feeling the Europeans will stick with Navy :P) while your "bad ass team of ultimate bad-asses"* will side with the Marines :P and keep the green uniform, not because it hides them in space but because "Hoorah!" .

Camo looks better than rust, which in my experience has been the main reason for spraying a vehicle with it.

So blame the Minmatar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYGgOXww48

Indeed.

CCP fired all the lore people.

Actually this is incentive plan for Aurum based paint jobs. They will make your favorite PvP hull so damn ugly you'll gladly plex to get the dancing pink elephants painted over.

Solution: Add forests into space....

I agree, we need more space trees and space mountains. Maybe even add in some space shrubberies.

GǪand yet they will let you identify the unit and as such can gain historical significance. MCCUU Gëá DCU Gëá ACU Gëá NWU Gëá etc (and that's just for the last decade and a single nation GÇö add ODs to the list and you immediately introduce historical significance). Again, it's no different from any other marking in that regard.

No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with.

BDUs are all the same.

Army isn't all there is in the US, it's simply the lowest common denominator.

I was in the 82nd, so I say BOO TO YOU, SIR!