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Favors4Isk	Posted - 2006.06.26 02:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Favors4Isk on 26/06/2006 03:04:08 Originally by: Rells Originally by: Favors4Isk Edited by: Favors4Isk on 26/06/2006 00:05:13 This plan comes from the same guy who scams billions from noobs to "teach" them how to PVP. 350 customers. 100% satisfaction. Dont ask us, ask them. We stand on our reputation. As for my motives; they are the same as motives I would have for stoppign some 18 year old kid from beating up third graders. Simple disgust. The fact that there are people that see that as a business opportunity is worse. These new player corps dont have the money to hire mercs, heck many dont even know what a merc is. Griefing them doesnt help the game, doesnt prove you are a good pvper and only shows your cowardice. It may not work. There may not be interest. But I wanted to try. If you really wanted to help noobs, then why did you charge them to "teach" them how to pvp? It sounds like to me that someone spent too much time getting their butts kicked in the schoolyard. According to the eve-wiki, "Griefer is the term for a player in an online computer game who deliberately sets out to discomfort other players." It seems to me that you are the griefer here. Your actions will do nothing but attempt to cause discomfort to others. All you will accomplish is 1) get a bunch of noobs who like to spend their time smack talking players in local calling you to bail them out 2) Take a good portion of business from small merc corps. To me there is one main difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate. One of them needs an excuse to kill. The only difference between a griefer and an anti-greifer may also be that one needs an excuse. To me, there really is no such thing as a griefer in EVE. Everytime you undcok you sign in implied contract that says you may get killed.
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.06.26 04:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Rells As for my motives; they are the same as motives I would have for stoppign some 18 year old kid from beating up third graders. Simple disgust. The fact that there are people that see that as a business opportunity is worse. These new player corps dont have the money to hire mercs, heck many dont even know what a merc is. Griefing them doesnt help the game, doesnt prove you are a good pvper and only shows your cowardice. It may not work. There may not be interest. But I wanted to try. You can't really avoid commerce. The pro-bono work you do still tends to be ledgered as advertisement costs. No matter what you do, your labor has value. The isk is just representational accounting of that, with varying degrees of relevance. Another thing that I'd like to point out, is that I don't expect newbs to be able to hire merc groups, maybe a lone covops pilot, but rarely a whole merc outfit. What I won't say is that they're worthless, or simply of no-account. I think a good minded entrepreneur has to remind oneself that the not-yet-even-entry-level people that are overlooked are simply missed opportunities, and should be counted as a deficit against potential earnings. What would be noble is turning their hand to a trade, or teaching them the ways of entrepreneurship, or how to make themselves useful between people rather than to people. It would be ignoble to make them think they are only good as mining slaves to unscrupulous, empire-dwelling, leeching mining ops directors. I'm not gonna tell you how to run your business, but if I was a noob, yet had the outlook of a vet, I'd appreciate being able to pay for a vet's services in-kind, or through barter. I know I have a responsibility to teach other players that they amount to more than their isk, or their piles of zydrine, or the ease with which they can replace their Vagabond and implants. Maybe you could employ one client to assist another with reconaissance under your more expert guidance? I think a bunch of newbies could at least afford to hire a bunch of other newbies in this simple rubric? More complex arrangements are always on the table. Lastly, one of my favorite currencies to collect is Favors. I love Favors. Assault Missile Launcher Improvement
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.26 05:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Malthros Zenobia The large majority of the groups you're going to be fighting are altcorps, aka groups made bypeople who don't have the balls to bully with their mains. Some use their mains, but alot don't. Alts ftl. or maybe they doesnt want to bring whole corp, or even alliance to kill some noobs? and whats the difference, as long as they kill you doesnt matter if its alt or main or your mom.. Maybe their corp/alliance wouldn't tolerate their members doing it either? Hence they do it on alts so they can gasp escape consequences.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 07:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Malthros Zenobia The large majority of the groups you're going to be fighting are altcorps, aka groups made bypeople who don't have the balls to bully with their mains. Some use their mains, but alot don't. Alts ftl. or maybe they doesnt want to bring whole corp, or even alliance to kill some noobs? and whats the difference, as long as they kill you doesnt matter if its alt or main or your mom.. Maybe their corp/alliance wouldn't tolerate their members doing it either? Hence they do it on alts so they can gasp escape consequences. anotehr good reason -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 10:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 10:43:38 [size=6]OP Requesting Lock.[/size] This thread has degredated into something of a cesspool despite my best intentions. I love Eve and every time I see the people on this forum, my love for it decreases a little. Its amazing how much refuse there is in real life. A famous psychologics once said "On the interent there are no social boundaries so people will be inclined to be, in the long run, exactly as they would be in real life if consequences were removed. It brings out the true person into the light of day." Looking at this forum, that is a scary thought. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:22:00 - [36] I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) ---------------------------------------- Hello "pirates"! Pillage and blow up stuff = PIRATE! Ask strangers for money = BEGGAR!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. Never. Plus tbh I'd point out that it could go both ways (the attackers recruit other corps too). But eh. We don't go after newbie corps. We go after alliances. And by THAT time, if you don't have a clue on how to fight...
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. Never. Plus tbh I'd point out that it could go both ways (the attackers recruit other corps too). But eh. We don't go after newbie corps. We go after alliances. And by THAT time, if you don't have a clue on how to fight... And that I have no problem with at all. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?

Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 13:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. Never. Plus tbh I'd point out that it could go both ways (the attackers recruit other corps too). But eh. We don't go after newbie corps. We go after alliances. And by THAT time, if you don't have a clue on how to fight... And that I have no problem with at all. like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 13:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Frakri Hogsto like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with You sound disturbingly like Bachuss. Another alt for a bit of corp theft ? ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 14:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Frakri Hogsto like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with You sound disturbingly like Bachuss. Another alt for a bit of corp theft ? `? -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 14:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Rells Originally by: Frakri Hogsto like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with You sound disturbingly like Bachuss. Another alt for a bit of corp theft ? `? Oh nothing really. Just parallels. There is a guy named Bachuss who does what you do -- namely talking smack in the forums and lieing his buns off about having taken our classes, knowing my grandmotehr and other random things. Im not sure either one of you are playing with all your thrusters operational. I just know you dont show your corp, I have never once seen you in game, you look and smell like an alt and so logical conclusions can be drawn. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Blood Thorn	Posted - 2006.06.26 15:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Favors4Isk Edited by: Favors4Isk on 26/06/2006 00:05:13 This plan comes from the same guy who scams billions from noobs to "teach" them how to PVP. 350 customers. 100% satisfaction. Dont ask us, ask them. We stand on our reputation. As for my motives; they are the same as motives I would have for stoppign some 18 year old kid from beating up third graders. Simple disgust. The fact that there are people that see that as a business opportunity is worse. These new player corps dont have the money to hire mercs, heck many dont even know what a merc is. Griefing them doesnt help the game, doesnt prove you are a good pvper and only shows your cowardice. It may not work. There may not be interest. But I wanted to try. As a former student, I have nothing but praise for the PvP classes held by Rells and Agony. All players should consider this class to be as essential as attribute skills. Rells, regardless of whether my current corp can participate, if you are in the Rens area and heading for a fight, send me an invite.
Soumk	Posted - 2006.06.26 16:06:00 - [46] Rells you sound a little bombastic. Hmmmm.... Can you be a LITTLE bombastic? Not sure. Maybe Rells is just plain bombastic. Plain...... bombastic..... That doesn't work either. Let's just go with "Rells is BOMBASTIC!" Yea, that works. (bombast n. grandiose, empty language. -- bombastic, adj.) Oh yea, that works great.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 17:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Rells Originally by: Frakri Hogsto like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with You sound disturbingly like Bachuss. Another alt for a bit of corp theft ? `? Oh nothing really. Just parallels. There is a guy named Bachuss who does what you do -- namely talking smack in the forums and lieing his buns off about having taken our classes, knowing my grandmotehr and other random things. Im not sure either one of you are playing with all your thrusters operational. I just know you dont show your corp, I have never once seen you in game, you look and smell like an alt and so logical conclusions can be drawn. -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Ast3r0iD	Posted - 2006.06.26 19:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Deja Thoris Aye, we've wardecc'd these "griefer" corps before. omg the irony
Favors4Isk	Posted - 2006.06.26 20:21:00 - [49] Originally by: Rells A famous psychologics once said "On the interent there are no social boundaries and total anonymity so people will be inclined to be, in the long run, exactly as they would be in real life if consequences were removed. It brings out the true person into the light of day." If you want to use a real quote to support your argument, then you should state WHO you are quoting. Simply stating "A Famous Psychologist Once Said" provides no credibility, nor does it allow readers to verify the source. This world has enough dime store shrinks.
Rehen	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:29:00 - [50] Edited by: Rehen on 27/06/2006 10:30:06 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. Umm lol C-F Will own whatever you send against it. Haveing large nubers dont help ina empire war having fantasic pvp'ers do

Boonaki	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Rehen Edited by: Rehen on 27/06/2006 10:30:06 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. Umm lol C-F Will own whatever you send against it. Haveing large nubers dont help ina empire war having fantasic pvp'ers do lips meet arse Fear the Ibis of doom!
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Scrofalitic One	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:47:00 - [53] Its fairly astounding that no matter what Rells posts he immediately gets flamed and denigrated. As far as I can see he is trying to make a few ISK whilst helping out new players. He gives them valuable lessons, and what by all account is very very good tuition in the basics of combat and self-defence. I honestly cannot see why Rells comes in for all the abuse. Not once on the forums have I seen anyone say that his turtorials ripped them off. Not once have I seen people who have undergone the courses express anything other than heartfelt thanks. Rells mate, do your best to ignore the mouth-breathing knuckle dragging trolls and keep on doing what you do :)
Rehen	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Rehen Edited by: Rehen on 27/06/2006 10:30:06 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. Umm lol C-F Will own whatever you send against it. Haveing large nubers dont help ina empire war having fantasic pvp'ers do lips meet arse na the trick is we hold are selfs as good as c-f and by talking them up we indirectly talk are selfs but anyway its totaly tru
Gericault m0id	Posted - 2006.06.27 14:56:00 - [55] How come Seleene can get all threads locked and this one is still up and running? Can you please hand over the magic wand to Rells?

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