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Rells	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:18:00 - [1] Edited by: Rells on 25/06/2006 12:19:40 Agony Unleashed is a corporation that really cares about the newer players in this game. We are an honorable mercenary organization with an interest in newer players. What has ticked us off lately is the rise of morons that are war decing guys in newbie mining player corps and so on. These people are usually organizations of experienced players that are interested in griefing the players brand new to the game with extortion or just for the heck of it. We believe these players should get the chance to get a start in the game and learn something rather than be griefed out of the game instantly. For this reason I am announcing a program to put a stop to this in game. Operation Phoenix will be a coalition of experienced PvP organizations that are willing to counter war dec the idiots who war dec newbie corps. We will investigate complaints of this nature and then implement a war dec against those organizations. If your corp wants to be part of Operation Phoenix (whether you are pirate or otherwise) please send an Evemail in game to get contact information for the coalition. This organization will be completely non-political. There will be no need to check politics in Operation Phoenix -- two corps or alliances perpetually at war may very well be in Operation Phoenix; this doesnt indicate peace between theese organizations but merely a desire to mutually kill some jerk organization. The goal of operation phoenix will be to get full covereage over the entire Eve galaxy so that no matter where the griefer is, they will not be able to hide. There will be no reason that two corps in Operation Phoenix cant fight -- this isnt a NAP, peace pact or anything like that. Inside Operation Phoenix we will take complaints from new player corps. We will then investigate the issue and if the situation merits it, we will all war dec the offending corp. The exact nature of information we will need will be pretty comprehensive. We will check the full member list of the newer corp and the offending corp. Those that actually manage to fool us will risk getting us all decing on them to punish them for lies. Operation Phoenix will not bother with organizations of blinkers like Snigg or Turby because they can be killed anywhere anyway. We are mainly out to tackle the growing problem of griefer war decs on new player organizations. If you want your corporation or alliance to be in Operation Phoenix, please send an Eve Mail to Rells. Happy Hunting! -- Rells ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
dailyhazard	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:25:00 - [2] Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff Cosmic Fusion
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:30:00 - [3] Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:37:00 - [4] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/06/2006 12:38:39 Im afraid those griefers will run and stay docked when they face experienced pvp'ers. Even if you manage to take out a few, their loss is minor, specially if they are alts. I think this sort of thing will only give them the fireworks they are hoping for... And arent most of these guys in npc corps that cant be wardeclared anyway? --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/06/2006 12:38:39 Im afraid those griefers will run and stay docked when they face experienced pvp'ers. Even if you manage to take out a few, their loss is minor, specially if they are alts. I think this sort of thing will only give them the fireworks they are hoping for... And arent most of these guys in npc corps that cant be wardeclared anyway? They arent hoping for fireworks, they are hoping for easy kills and extortion. If they wanted fireworks, they would dec a corp that can fight back. If they stay docked or drop the war dec then the operation has succeeded. If not then experienced pvpers will be blinking to them all over the bloody place. If an operation member wishes to hunt them actively that is their business. We have the goal of having these palyers not be able to undock because all of the random people war decing them. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
CardboardSword42	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. I'm pretty sure he understands that and wants all the free war targets. Cosmic fusion are some of the best fighters in the game, and I think they would enjoy the blinky squares all over the place I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:47:00 - [7] Originally by: CardboardSword42 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. I'm pretty sure he understands that and wants all the free war targets. Cosmic fusion are some of the best fighters in the game, and I think they would enjoy the blinky squares all over the place If they want a lot of pvp there is plenty to be found in 0.0. There is no need to be war decing people 2 months into the game with a corp composed of 3 or 4 real life friends trying to learn why armageddons warp in sideways. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:52:00 - [8] EO is becoming like UO. The rise of the people killers killers. Good luck. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Rells Originally by: CardboardSword42 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. I'm pretty sure he understands that and wants all the free war targets. Cosmic fusion are some of the best fighters in the game, and I think they would enjoy the blinky squares all over the place If they want a lot of pvp there is plenty to be found in 0.0. There is no need to be war decing people 2 months into the game with a corp composed of 3 or 4 real life friends trying to learn why armageddons warp in sideways. I could be wrong but I think Daily was agreeing with you Rells. He was saying he was thinking of war decing corps that pick on new players and not that he was gonna start war decing noobs. I could be wrong though.
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Rells Originally by: CardboardSword42 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. I'm pretty sure he understands that and wants all the free war targets. Cosmic fusion are some of the best fighters in the game, and I think they would enjoy the blinky squares all over the place If they want a lot of pvp there is plenty to be found in 0.0. There is no need to be war decing people 2 months into the game with a corp composed of 3 or 4 real life friends trying to learn why armageddons warp in sideways. I could be wrong but I think Daily was agreeing with you Rells. He was saying he was thinking of war decing corps that pick on new players and not that he was gonna start war decing noobs. I could be wrong though. Knowing Daily, i think you are. Anyway, I would pay attention to this if 1) It wasn't being done already by another corporation and 2) If the people wardecing the newbs didn't switch corps within 24 hours. Simply put, Unless you find watching paint dry exhilirating, Operation Pheonix is going to be the more boring then mining, and i say that with all seriousness. I give it a month before everybody gives up. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:04:00 - [11] Aye, we've wardecc'd these "griefer" corps before. Somehow they cant find the undock icon when we are around.
lord fenster	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:07:00 - [12] Edited by: lord fenster on 25/06/2006 14:10:34 daily you kyle and glok used to do just such a thing wardeck newb corps for the killmails remember sector7 you cancelled the war as soon as a corp that could fight came to our aid ps sort your bio out lmao by the way kyle=dailthazard
Kelron Queldine	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:23:00 - [13] Haha, I was in Sector-7 once upon a time. Waste of a corp. --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.
Mineral Inquisitor	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:27:00 - [14] I'll admit this is pretty cool. I'm all for us miners learning how to take care of ourselves, but in the given situations you described, it's more like slaughter than a fair/slightly slanted fight. Originally by: Metatron Celestia You can stab, gank, grief, ransom miners, steal from their can, but if you pop their ore can, my gawd there will be hell to pay.
GodWin cadela	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:43:00 - [15] sounds interesting, we are an experienced pvp corp, we will gladly fight you, how is it we get you to fight us, should we just declare war on you, or do we need to kill a few newbies first for you to react ? ________________________________________
dailyhazard	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:58:00 - [16] Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 15:01:39 Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 14:59:02 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. i think you'll find im joking, but as for free wars im not, i did actually used to do so called "griefing" but it gets boring after like 3 days, and i doubt people do it for a living because there isnt a living in it. As for 0.0 there is fights there, but its mostly blobs, if you want a fight, feel free to war dec cosmic fusion, i'll be at your bedpost every night. As for the corps looking to grief i dont find that they do look for "noobs" to war dec whats the fun in it. Any corp can otherthrow any other, corps such as mining corps needs a suitable backbone to them as any corporation in real life is, it needs security in itself for it to go anywhere, if a corp doesent know how to get 10 t1 frigs and shoot something they shouldent be a corp imo. But i support what your doing but i fear your looking for more of a "boost my e-peen" reponse as for lord fenster, you guys was funny Cosmic Fusion
dailyfool	Posted - 2006.06.25 17:11:00 - [17] funny from you side of the fence but no hard feelings daily i learned a lot well a bit cya around
Wompm	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:32:00 - [18] An ambitious plan to be sure, but at what point do you hinder the noobs more than help them? I'm rather new to the game (so are my corp mates), and about 1.5months in SYNDROME dec'd us (read Kaleeb hehe) anyway it was a great learning experience for us. Granted we have a mostly pvp mentality- but we lost several miners in the beginning days. SYNDROME prosecuted their war efficiently, without smack, and we had a great time fighting them. I think its important for newer corps to get a taste for pvp early, because like it or not you will pvp in this game somtime. period. It is a good thing if not done often for any corp to get into a war. So i guess my question(s) - how do you know it is a "grief" war dec? for example if i formed a new corp filled with younger members like myself explicitly for the purpose of empire war to make cash- would that be griefing? I've only been around since feb. of this year and if I were attacking a corp of 10-12 people with a corp of 3-4 and we are only 2-3 months older whats the big deal. - new corps already have an immediate out if they get war dec'd- they just corp hop away at the first sign of trouble final thought is this. It seems like a good plan for you guys if you don't get out of hand. Stoping a 15-50 man corp crewed with 2 year old characters from dec'ing a month old group of begginers is admirable. Just keep in mind that our corp enjoyed our war, great learning experience, and that all players of EvE should learn its a pvp oriented game. If you want saftey and no cost deaths go play WoW or SWG or somthing.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.25 19:14:00 - [19] The large majority of the groups you're going to be fighting are altcorps, aka groups made bypeople who don't have the balls to bully with their mains. Some use their mains, but alot don't. Alts ftl.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:13:00 - [20] :oi, noobs helping noobs....just join goon thing -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:16:00 - [21] ^^ He griefs poor empire nubbins
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia The large majority of the groups you're going to be fighting are altcorps, aka groups made bypeople who don't have the balls to bully with their mains. Some use their mains, but alot don't. Alts ftl. or maybe they doesnt want to bring whole corp, or even alliance to kill some noobs? and whats the difference, as long as they kill you doesnt matter if its alt or main or your mom.. -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Cordt	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:40:00 - [23] This is fantastic news! It means we won't have to play 50 mil a week for our future alliance wars :D Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:57:00 - [24] This problem stems from neither the newbs, nor the mining, nor the bored vets, or novice pvpers. It's from a lack of a commercial outlook. For some reason, too few people are looking at the isk when they seek pvp. A few for-profit mercs are doing so, and pirates generally can be considered to do so. For the rest it is its own end. There's just too much volunteer labor out there. Volunteer miners. Volunteer slave haulers. Volunteer militias. Volunteer navies. Volunteer killers. Such a lack of professionalism makes me sick to my stomach. The real trouble is that people get used to getting something for nothing. Or they fall into fewer habits, and avoid risk. Later, CCP has to provide content (complex farming.. whee) for the few that will group up to make a profit, but overall, little freelance employment occurs. I think there's simply too much isk to be had in social idleness. All the grindy tasks just pump out all the isk anybody needs to logout their HAC at a safespot when necessary. yawn There should be concerns that outweigh the survival of one single, stupid ship. Like the corporate ship gas station. Don't defend it and it gets really hard to run your ship, or power your afterburners, or warp often or something. Or maybe you can't learn anymore. Something to grab people's attention, and make competing less of an if-I-feel-like-it occupation. There should be costs associated with doing anything. Including making someone else's life more difficult. The little guy should be concerned with protecting himself through politics and making himself useful to other groups. The big guys should be concerned with the constant generation of real internal divisions, and internal funding dilemmas. Then you have a vibrant flux on the social scene. You get an income. You get promised a raise so you keep up with inflation, and keep coming to work if you've saved a bit. You spend a huge chunk on taxes, and probably another chunk on sales tax. You spend another large chunk on insurance. Then you spend a rather smaller, but still noticable chunk on transportation and maintenance issues. And another good percentage goes to food. And usually a large bit goes to housing, or relative environmental protection. And a small amount goes to education one way or another. We can assume that usually regardless of you payscale, you buy into extravagance relative to your level on all points. The small percent you have left over goes to savings, or gets eaten up by maintenance, errors, and jury rigging your life for tomorrow. All of it's designed (maybe accidentally) to keep us all as busy as possible. The money we spend never disappears, it just makes people refix their attention to the underlying energy economy. If EVE lacks anything, it's the impetus to regular activity, and forging the relationships that makes that necessary. Voluntarism is the unfortunate thing because it sometimes shortchanges the process of manufacturing desire and need. Sorry for the rant. Really meant it to be shorter. Assault Missile Launcher Improvement
Favors4Isk	Posted - 2006.06.26 00:04:00 - [25] Edited by: Favors4Isk on 26/06/2006 00:05:13 This plan comes from the same guy who scams billions from noobs to "teach" them how to PVP. The same guy who thinks it is forum worthy to post how 12 destroyers blew up a BS fit for sniping (man I would hope they could). This guy clearly needs a little attention. What exactly is wrong with a corp of 10 1year old players wardecing a corp of 40 3month old players? I keep hearing people call this griefing, but I call that a war. Go ahead and run to everyone's aid for free and watch the business of mercenary work go down the tubes. If I was a merc corp, one that is just getting a start or not large enough to get the big contracts, I would wardec your corp for bitting into my potential business.
Zeke Novak	Posted - 2006.06.26 00:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire EO is becoming like UO. The rise of the people killers killers. Good luck. Lets hope not, remember what happened when the griefing got out of hand in UO. The server was split into an open PvP zone and consentual PvP only zone. The PvP area is dead now except for a few hardcore players, and despite the changes in favor of 'carebear' players, the game has been hemmorhaging subscribers since.
Kata Dakini	Posted - 2006.06.26 01:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Lienzo This problem stems from neither the newbs, nor the mining, nor the bored vets, or novice pvpers. ... Sorry for the rant. Really meant it to be shorter. applause This is a great point that has been made. Rells, while it may be considered noble and heroic and all that to provide this type of 'service', it undermines the goals of a great many other corps who intend to provide this for some type of fee or other gains. I'm not sure what your motives are for doing this. You would probably say something about how upset you are and that new corps don't deserve this and blah blah blah. It very might well be that you are doing it simply because your daily activities are becoming stagnant, and it's time for some freshness. Whatever you say your motives are, I would guess there are others you are not necessarily willing to divulge, because of poltics, embarrasment, or whatever. You may want to propose a trial run of this before you leap headfirst, simply to gauge what effects there may be, and to recognize the potential unforeseen problems that will undoubtedly arise.
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 01:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Favors4Isk Edited by: Favors4Isk on 26/06/2006 00:05:13 This plan comes from the same guy who scams billions from noobs to "teach" them how to PVP. 350 customers. 100% satisfaction. Dont ask us, ask them. We stand on our reputation. As for my motives; they are the same as motives I would have for stoppign some 18 year old kid from beating up third graders. Simple disgust. The fact that there are people that see that as a business opportunity is worse. These new player corps dont have the money to hire mercs, heck many dont even know what a merc is. Griefing them doesnt help the game, doesnt prove you are a good pvper and only shows your cowardice. It may not work. There may not be interest. But I wanted to try. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Arkani Gera	Posted - 2006.06.26 01:58:00 - [29] while i applaud your moral initiative rells, i have one question... where are the war decs i was promised? instead of going after wicked griefers you target the small and independent mercenary corps that are only looking out for the small customer that can't pay much more then the war fees... and while i'd like to continue this method of watching out for the weaker of the herd, your methods of schoolyard bully antics are forcing me into consolidating my business to have a chance to stay profitable. So with this i call all you small mercenary outfits of the universe, join with me, and fight these wicked oppressors until they are all vanquished into the darkness and silence! A lone warrior of light, fighting the coming darkness Arkani Gera
Waenn Ironstaff	Posted - 2006.06.26 02:42:00 - [30] Good luck with your venture Rells and may you pod a lot of those wusses with no balls to fight!
Favors4Isk	Posted - 2006.06.26 02:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Favors4Isk on 26/06/2006 03:04:08 Originally by: Rells Originally by: Favors4Isk Edited by: Favors4Isk on 26/06/2006 00:05:13 This plan comes from the same guy who scams billions from noobs to "teach" them how to PVP. 350 customers. 100% satisfaction. Dont ask us, ask them. We stand on our reputation. As for my motives; they are the same as motives I would have for stoppign some 18 year old kid from beating up third graders. Simple disgust. The fact that there are people that see that as a business opportunity is worse. These new player corps dont have the money to hire mercs, heck many dont even know what a merc is. Griefing them doesnt help the game, doesnt prove you are a good pvper and only shows your cowardice. It may not work. There may not be interest. But I wanted to try. If you really wanted to help noobs, then why did you charge them to "teach" them how to pvp? It sounds like to me that someone spent too much time getting their butts kicked in the schoolyard. According to the eve-wiki, "Griefer is the term for a player in an online computer game who deliberately sets out to discomfort other players." It seems to me that you are the griefer here. Your actions will do nothing but attempt to cause discomfort to others. All you will accomplish is 1) get a bunch of noobs who like to spend their time smack talking players in local calling you to bail them out 2) Take a good portion of business from small merc corps. To me there is one main difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate. One of them needs an excuse to kill. The only difference between a griefer and an anti-greifer may also be that one needs an excuse. To me, there really is no such thing as a griefer in EVE. Everytime you undcok you sign in implied contract that says you may get killed.
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.06.26 04:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Rells As for my motives; they are the same as motives I would have for stoppign some 18 year old kid from beating up third graders. Simple disgust. The fact that there are people that see that as a business opportunity is worse. These new player corps dont have the money to hire mercs, heck many dont even know what a merc is. Griefing them doesnt help the game, doesnt prove you are a good pvper and only shows your cowardice. It may not work. There may not be interest. But I wanted to try. You can't really avoid commerce. The pro-bono work you do still tends to be ledgered as advertisement costs. No matter what you do, your labor has value. The isk is just representational accounting of that, with varying degrees of relevance. Another thing that I'd like to point out, is that I don't expect newbs to be able to hire merc groups, maybe a lone covops pilot, but rarely a whole merc outfit. What I won't say is that they're worthless, or simply of no-account. I think a good minded entrepreneur has to remind oneself that the not-yet-even-entry-level people that are overlooked are simply missed opportunities, and should be counted as a deficit against potential earnings. What would be noble is turning their hand to a trade, or teaching them the ways of entrepreneurship, or how to make themselves useful between people rather than to people. It would be ignoble to make them think they are only good as mining slaves to unscrupulous, empire-dwelling, leeching mining ops directors. I'm not gonna tell you how to run your business, but if I was a noob, yet had the outlook of a vet, I'd appreciate being able to pay for a vet's services in-kind, or through barter. I know I have a responsibility to teach other players that they amount to more than their isk, or their piles of zydrine, or the ease with which they can replace their Vagabond and implants. Maybe you could employ one client to assist another with reconaissance under your more expert guidance? I think a bunch of newbies could at least afford to hire a bunch of other newbies in this simple rubric? More complex arrangements are always on the table. Lastly, one of my favorite currencies to collect is Favors. I love Favors. Assault Missile Launcher Improvement
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.26 05:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Malthros Zenobia The large majority of the groups you're going to be fighting are altcorps, aka groups made bypeople who don't have the balls to bully with their mains. Some use their mains, but alot don't. Alts ftl. or maybe they doesnt want to bring whole corp, or even alliance to kill some noobs? and whats the difference, as long as they kill you doesnt matter if its alt or main or your mom.. Maybe their corp/alliance wouldn't tolerate their members doing it either? Hence they do it on alts so they can gasp escape consequences.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 07:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Malthros Zenobia The large majority of the groups you're going to be fighting are altcorps, aka groups made bypeople who don't have the balls to bully with their mains. Some use their mains, but alot don't. Alts ftl. or maybe they doesnt want to bring whole corp, or even alliance to kill some noobs? and whats the difference, as long as they kill you doesnt matter if its alt or main or your mom.. Maybe their corp/alliance wouldn't tolerate their members doing it either? Hence they do it on alts so they can gasp escape consequences. anotehr good reason -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 10:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 10:43:38 [size=6]OP Requesting Lock.[/size] This thread has degredated into something of a cesspool despite my best intentions. I love Eve and every time I see the people on this forum, my love for it decreases a little. Its amazing how much refuse there is in real life. A famous psychologics once said "On the interent there are no social boundaries so people will be inclined to be, in the long run, exactly as they would be in real life if consequences were removed. It brings out the true person into the light of day." Looking at this forum, that is a scary thought. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:22:00 - [36] I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) ---------------------------------------- Hello "pirates"! Pillage and blow up stuff = PIRATE! Ask strangers for money = BEGGAR!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. Never. Plus tbh I'd point out that it could go both ways (the attackers recruit other corps too). But eh. We don't go after newbie corps. We go after alliances. And by THAT time, if you don't have a clue on how to fight...
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. Never. Plus tbh I'd point out that it could go both ways (the attackers recruit other corps too). But eh. We don't go after newbie corps. We go after alliances. And by THAT time, if you don't have a clue on how to fight... And that I have no problem with at all. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 13:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dekiri I love your posts Rells they have so much potential =) Irony detected. Never. Plus tbh I'd point out that it could go both ways (the attackers recruit other corps too). But eh. We don't go after newbie corps. We go after alliances. And by THAT time, if you don't have a clue on how to fight... And that I have no problem with at all. like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 13:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Frakri Hogsto like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with You sound disturbingly like Bachuss. Another alt for a bit of corp theft ? ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 14:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Frakri Hogsto like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with You sound disturbingly like Bachuss. Another alt for a bit of corp theft ? `? -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.26 14:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Rells Originally by: Frakri Hogsto like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with You sound disturbingly like Bachuss. Another alt for a bit of corp theft ? `? Oh nothing really. Just parallels. There is a guy named Bachuss who does what you do -- namely talking smack in the forums and lieing his buns off about having taken our classes, knowing my grandmotehr and other random things. Im not sure either one of you are playing with all your thrusters operational. I just know you dont show your corp, I have never once seen you in game, you look and smell like an alt and so logical conclusions can be drawn. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Blood Thorn	Posted - 2006.06.26 15:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Favors4Isk Edited by: Favors4Isk on 26/06/2006 00:05:13 This plan comes from the same guy who scams billions from noobs to "teach" them how to PVP. 350 customers. 100% satisfaction. Dont ask us, ask them. We stand on our reputation. As for my motives; they are the same as motives I would have for stoppign some 18 year old kid from beating up third graders. Simple disgust. The fact that there are people that see that as a business opportunity is worse. These new player corps dont have the money to hire mercs, heck many dont even know what a merc is. Griefing them doesnt help the game, doesnt prove you are a good pvper and only shows your cowardice. It may not work. There may not be interest. But I wanted to try. As a former student, I have nothing but praise for the PvP classes held by Rells and Agony. All players should consider this class to be as essential as attribute skills. Rells, regardless of whether my current corp can participate, if you are in the Rens area and heading for a fight, send me an invite.
Soumk	Posted - 2006.06.26 16:06:00 - [46] Rells you sound a little bombastic. Hmmmm.... Can you be a LITTLE bombastic? Not sure. Maybe Rells is just plain bombastic. Plain...... bombastic..... That doesn't work either. Let's just go with "Rells is BOMBASTIC!" Yea, that works. (bombast n. grandiose, empty language. -- bombastic, adj.) Oh yea, that works great.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.26 17:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Rells Originally by: Frakri Hogsto like some1 cares what you have and have not problem with You sound disturbingly like Bachuss. Another alt for a bit of corp theft ? `? Oh nothing really. Just parallels. There is a guy named Bachuss who does what you do -- namely talking smack in the forums and lieing his buns off about having taken our classes, knowing my grandmotehr and other random things. Im not sure either one of you are playing with all your thrusters operational. I just know you dont show your corp, I have never once seen you in game, you look and smell like an alt and so logical conclusions can be drawn. -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Ast3r0iD	Posted - 2006.06.26 19:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Deja Thoris Aye, we've wardecc'd these "griefer" corps before. omg the irony
Favors4Isk	Posted - 2006.06.26 20:21:00 - [49] Originally by: Rells A famous psychologics once said "On the interent there are no social boundaries and total anonymity so people will be inclined to be, in the long run, exactly as they would be in real life if consequences were removed. It brings out the true person into the light of day." If you want to use a real quote to support your argument, then you should state WHO you are quoting. Simply stating "A Famous Psychologist Once Said" provides no credibility, nor does it allow readers to verify the source. This world has enough dime store shrinks.
Rehen	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:29:00 - [50] Edited by: Rehen on 27/06/2006 10:30:06 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. Umm lol C-F Will own whatever you send against it. Haveing large nubers dont help ina empire war having fantasic pvp'ers do
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Rehen Edited by: Rehen on 27/06/2006 10:30:06 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. Umm lol C-F Will own whatever you send against it. Haveing large nubers dont help ina empire war having fantasic pvp'ers do lips meet arse Fear the Ibis of doom!
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Scrofalitic One	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:47:00 - [53] Its fairly astounding that no matter what Rells posts he immediately gets flamed and denigrated. As far as I can see he is trying to make a few ISK whilst helping out new players. He gives them valuable lessons, and what by all account is very very good tuition in the basics of combat and self-defence. I honestly cannot see why Rells comes in for all the abuse. Not once on the forums have I seen anyone say that his turtorials ripped them off. Not once have I seen people who have undergone the courses express anything other than heartfelt thanks. Rells mate, do your best to ignore the mouth-breathing knuckle dragging trolls and keep on doing what you do :)
Rehen	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Rehen Edited by: Rehen on 27/06/2006 10:30:06 Originally by: Rells Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 25/06/2006 12:24:53 wow i think im gonna start doing this again, just for free war decs but yeh gl and stuff If this succeeds, such an action would result in you beign war deced by dozens of experienced pvp organizations and you wouldnt be able to breathe without encountering someone blinking. If you want to fight, 0.0 has plenty of it, or wardec a corp capable of fighting. A high school bully beating up on grade schoolers is cowardice. Umm lol C-F Will own whatever you send against it. Haveing large nubers dont help ina empire war having fantasic pvp'ers do lips meet arse na the trick is we hold are selfs as good as c-f and by talking them up we indirectly talk are selfs but anyway its totaly tru
Gericault m0id	Posted - 2006.06.27 14:56:00 - [55] How come Seleene can get all threads locked and this one is still up and running? Can you please hand over the magic wand to Rells?

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