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Rells	Posted - 2006.06.28 10:13:00 - [91] Originally by: Requiescat say what you want but rells' class is a great experience ...except when our blob gets out-blobbed by goonfleet =) keep it up rells! ps... mind if i tag along on some classes sometime? could use a little friggy refresher In all the flames I never saw this post. You are welcome to tag along. All old students are welcome to come so long as we have space on Vent. Of course vent space is reserved for paid students and AGONY members but after that, anyone who has taken the class is welcome. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:09:00 - [92] Edited by: Frakri Hogsto on 28/06/2006 11:09:35 nm -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.28 15:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Xtreem Edited by: Xtreem on 26/06/2006 15:56:46 i fully agree with this service, due to providing me with excellent fun, and they are always friendly (the regulars) see u in mhc :D Great service. Rells is a good teacher, you gotta face his class for the first time and the second time you'll see how fast they adapt . And yeah.. see ya in MHC Quite a complement Kyguard. Thanks. We appreicate it. You guys are always fun to fight. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Tityana	Posted - 2006.06.28 15:29:00 - [94] I have some awesome fraps of one of Rells training sessions should anyone care to see it..... Dont bother me..SHOPPING! DA PIMP
Aaewen Hrothgarson	Posted - 2006.06.29 05:36:00 - [95] Originally by: Himo Amasacia Moving back on topic.. I concider myself a carebear but I have been in several major battles in an number of alliance wars. However I will be honest that I dont really know a great deal about the ins and out of PVP, though I have written several guides for my alliance on the bare bone mechanics of eve. Would I, at nearly a year old, benefit from your course if I signed up? Because I'd like to give it a try. I have all the skills your course requires. There are many of the read ups now in the public sector so you can have a look some of the topics and make your own judgement. To the course itself: They make you realize that there is more about PvP than carry a big gun and shoot first. All that small but important things I didnt give a thought before this course. In basic they teach you how to walk before you try to run, then you get tutored to make your first leaps. Already saved me from finding myself with the face in the mud when trying to sprint ;)
Darineah Charach	Posted - 2006.06.29 06:16:00 - [96] Seen a lot of people i respect sing the praises of this course, so i for one would love to sign up...if it wasn't at 4 in the morning. Let me know if there will ever be one run at a time more friendly to Australians. Cheers ------- Boxing Kangaroo
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.29 09:53:00 - [97] Originally by: Darineah Charach Seen a lot of people i respect sing the praises of this course, so i for one would love to sign up...if it wasn't at 4 in the morning. Let me know if there will ever be one run at a time more friendly to Australians. Cheers What is the difference between your time and eve time? ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Belladonna Nightshade	Posted - 2006.06.29 10:40:00 - [98] To the Poor Aussies, downtime arrives at about 10pm.
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.29 11:42:00 - [99] Originally by: Belladonna Nightshade To the Poor Aussies, downtime arrives at about 10pm. Ok then its GMT+10 ? Hmm that would be a bit tough without a class early in the morning in the USA I think. The question is would you get enough people in the class to make it worth it? ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Sever Aldaria	Posted - 2006.06.29 13:43:00 - [100] Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 29/06/2006 13:43:57 Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 29/06/2006 13:43:36 Rells, why not schedule a class like normal and also schedule an Australian class on the other day of the weekend to see how many australians are interested in taking it at that time?
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.29 14:07:00 - [101] That might be an option but who is going to run the class? To rasql and I that would be the WEEEEE hours of the morning. Im not sure who would be willing to teach that one and if there would be any action in the wolfpack part. Perhaps when Im done moving to the usa. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells	Posted - 2006.06.30 12:36:00 - [102] Originally by: Tityana I have some awesome fraps of one of Rells training sessions should anyone care to see it..... Is this sarcasm or honest? If honest I would like to see them. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Lobster Man	Posted - 2006.07.01 06:42:00 - [103] Someone is gonna have fun ganking n00bs in t1 frigs in/near stacmon :D
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.07.01 14:37:00 - [104] Originally by: Bentguru It's this part that makes me laugh. Course Code : BASIC-0107061800? What makes me laugh is that you clearly can't see that the number is the date and time of the course. If you're going to try and sound arrogant, can you at least make sure you're not saying something idiotic? - - - - - "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." - Sam Brown

Jacques Archambault	Posted - 2006.07.01 16:23:00 - [105] Please keep your replies on topic. -Jacques. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website! Want to be an EVE-Online forum moderator? click here!

Oboe Tollali	Posted - 2006.07.01 22:05:00 - [106] I attended the last course, definately would recommend it.
Sosus Red	Posted - 2006.07.02 03:39:00 - [107] AWESOME CLASS! TBH, I never really cared much for PVP, because mainly I didnt understand the inticasies involved. Not to say I cant, Ive blown up ships when I had to. I have been playing eve for a really long time and I never really had a grasp of things and im sure there are many long time players who are exactly the same way. If you dont like PVP because you are not good at it, or really have never known the ins and outs of combat, this class is for you. Tired of hearing that this game "is not for you" as the PVPers love to say, then take this class!. I cant say enough good things about this course. Its more that just going out in a pack and blobbing, it teaches you strategy and proper fitting and EW, among other things. THink a Merlin and a few other frigates cant take out a scorpion while he is with two other BS's, all with LArge SB's? THink again. I did it tonight while taking this course. Rells and the rest of agony are really knowledgeable. After this course you will be more confident in your abilities and maybe begin to like the other side of eve. Sig must be under 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected])
Mineral Inquisitor	Posted - 2006.07.02 04:54:00 - [108] I realize the lesson already occurred, but I have 2 questions: 1. Would you accept a miner like myself? and 2. Will you be doing this again? (If so, when?) I'd like to try it out. Sounds fun. (Missed the original deadline to due to skill training conflict.) Originally by: Metatron Celestia You can stab, gank, grief, ransom miners, steal from their can, but if you pop their ore can, my gawd there will be hell to pay. Dude, where's my char?
Kurak Vand	Posted - 2006.07.02 05:44:00 - [109] o/ I just finished the course. We popped: brutix, omen, stabber, scorpion, vagabond. We podded some too. Talk about an adrenaline rush! If you haven't pvp'd, or haven't ever 'won' in pvp, you would do well to try this out. It beats mining/missions/ratting/complexes/mfg/trade any day in terms of the sheer fun of it. I'm a total pvp noob. This was awesome. Absolutely the MOST fun I've had in any mmorpg. I learned a great deal during this course. I reccomend the course to anyone who isn't \|_\|832 1337 If that describes you, 5mil is an exceptional value for the course. A scam this most definitely is not. Fly somewhat less than safe
Rells	Posted - 2006.07.02 10:17:00 - [110] Thanks to all the ex-students for their support and kind words! Originally by: Mineral Inquisitor I realize the lesson already occurred, but I have 2 questions: 1. Would you accept a miner like myself? and 2. Will you be doing this again? (If so, when?) I'd like to try it out. Sounds fun. (Missed the original deadline to due to skill training conflict.) We have this class every 1 to 2 weeks. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Gnawl Sergner	Posted - 2006.07.02 13:58:00 - [111] Excellent course, I had a lot of fun. You get much more than what you pay for.
Michayel Lyon	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:50:00 - [112] This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well.
Rells	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:09:00 - [113] Originally by: Michayel Lyon This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well. Please tell me the point of this video? We should have hung around so you could snipe us at 100km? People have strange ideas sometimes. The PRIMARY and CARDINAL rule of PvP is to fight with your brain, not yoru balls. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Gericault m0id	Posted - 2006.07.03 13:57:00 - [114] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Michayel Lyon This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well. Please tell me the point of this video? We should have hung around so you could snipe us at 100km? People have strange ideas sometimes. The PRIMARY and CARDINAL rule of PvP is to fight with your brain, not yoru balls. Fighting with balls is more fun. You must agree that looks pretty funny though ...
Rells	Posted - 2006.07.03 14:45:00 - [115] Edited by: Rells on 03/07/2006 14:45:26 Originally by: Gericault m0id Originally by: Rells Originally by: Michayel Lyon This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well. Please tell me the point of this video? We should have hung around so you could snipe us at 100km? People have strange ideas sometimes. The PRIMARY and CARDINAL rule of PvP is to fight with your brain, not yoru balls. Fighting with balls is more fun. You must agree that looks pretty funny though ... No. It looks like you are **ed off because we didnt hang around and let you snipe. It looks like you are doing pointless smacktalk that I hear a million times in the game. It looks like you are being unreasonable, think yourself L33T and cant manage to acknowledge what is considered reasonable thought process. It looks like you are trying to measure your "epeen" on the forum. Sorry, not inteterested. Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War and one of the basic tennants is that you fight the enemy on your terms and not theirs. That is the path to victory. You came in with far more force than we had and you are trying to act like we turned down a fair fight. Im sure very few people would call several HACs and BS + other stuff vs 28 frigs a fair fight. So basically you are trying to flame for us acting with intelligence. I wonder if the roles had been reversed would you have sat there taking losses? Would you have attacked and gotten the whole gang wiped out? One of the most important things you learn in pvp basic is to take on only the fights you have a chance at and decline the others. The day you underestimate my students is the day you will lose a lot of expensive hardware to a lot of cheap hardware. Why dont you just play the game and stop the smack talk. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?**
Michayel Lyon	Posted - 2006.07.03 16:11:00 - [116] Originally by: Rells No. It looks like you are **ed off because we didnt hang around and let you snipe. It looks like you are doing pointless smacktalk that I hear a million times in the game. It looks like you are being unreasonable, think yourself L33T and cant manage to acknowledge what is considered reasonable thought process. It looks like you are trying to measure your "epeen" on the forum. Sorry, not inteterested. Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War and one of the basic tennants is that you fight the enemy on your terms and not theirs. That is the path to victory. You came in with far more force than we had and you are trying to act like we turned down a fair fight. Im sure very few people would call several HACs and BS + other stuff vs 28 frigs a fair fight. So basically you are trying to flame for us acting with intelligence. I wonder if the roles had been reversed would you have sat there taking losses? Would you have attacked and gotten the whole gang wiped out? One of the most important things you learn in pvp basic is to take on only the fights you have a chance at and decline the others. The day you underestimate my students is the day you will lose a lot of expensive hardware to a lot of cheap hardware. Why dont you just play the game and stop the smack talk. No, we're not **ed at all. We just had a good laugh at Vent at the sight of seeing 30 cheap t1 frigs belonging to the group of the self-proclaimed PvP professor of the game turn around and run at first sight of trouble, and wanted to share the experience. But while we are at the subject, let me ask you this: What were you doing sitting just 80 km off the gate? You are within sniping distance, so you have to run if you are afraid that your enemy will snipe. And you can't warp on the gate in case an easy target shows up, unless you had a cloaked ship sitting at least another 80 km behind the gate. Also, isn't Electronic Warfare 1 a requirement for your course? Doesn't this imply that your 28 frigs combined has lots of EW fitted? 28 EW frigs against 10 incapacitated battleships and cruisers (sorry, no HACs in our group, you should get better intel) doesn't sound that impossible to me. And you wonder if we would have taken the fight? Well, probably. We've taken frig fleets into Syndicate before. More often than not, at least some of us go back in our pods. But we usually have a HAC or battleship kill as well. That's the beauty of frig fleets. They're cheap and disposable. And we are playing the game, as I'm sure you've noticed after losing several ships to us. The reason we come here and talk smack is because we feel sad for the students that pay 5 million ISK to learn useless tactics from somebody that from what we've seen hasn't shown any knowledge of PvP whatsoever.
Rells	Posted - 2006.07.03 16:34:00 - [117] Originally by: Michayel Lyon No, we're not **ed at all. We just had a good laugh at Vent at the sight of seeing 30 cheap t1 frigs belonging to the group of the self-proclaimed PvP professor of the game turn around and run at first sight of trouble, Again. Should we have sat there and let you snipe? Approached the gate directly and let you blow the whole fleet? Should we have charged screaming into a certain wipeout of the entire fleet? Would that have been the course you'd have taken? If so then you are a lousy commander. In a command situation, you analyze the situation and then evaluate your options and then execute a plan. You dont say "Oh there is a few targets" (while foaming out the mouth) and scream "CHARGE." Anyone who does should not be either teaching pvp or leading a gang. Any idiot that takes 32 frigs against 10 BS plus support has no business in pvp. If you fly that way all the time, I hope, for the sake of your friends, that this is your last command. Originally by:** Michayel Lyon and wanted to share the experience. But while we are at the subject, let me ask you this: What were you doing sitting just 80 km off the gate? I dont have info on the time frame. Likely you jumped in on the end of a battle. At any rate even if I knew exactly when that was, I wouldn't tell you what tactics we were using at the time. Figure it out for yourself. Originally by: Michayel Lyon You are within sniping distance, so you have to run if you are afraid that your enemy will snipe. And you can't warp on the gate in case an easy target shows up, unless you had a cloaked ship sitting at least another 80 km behind the gate. It has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with analyzing the tactical situation. With 10 BS there its pretty likely they can hit 80km. At any rate we use lots of tactics in gang. You seem to think the end all-be all of pvp is count up more BS then the other guy and press F1 through F8. If that is the limit of your tactics then Id suggest you get otu of syndicate. There are lots of people there like 3FA, Goonfleet, BoB and VI that will educate you at huge expense. Originally by: Michayel Lyon Also, isn't Electronic Warfare 1 a requirement for your course? Doesn't this imply that your 28 frigs combined has lots of EW fitted? Take the class and you will learn the tactics. You dont just shove a Multispec on every frig and fly. Its much more complicated than that. Originally by: Michayel Lyon 28 EW frigs against 10 incapacitated battleships and cruisers (sorry, no HACs in our group, you should get better intel) doesn't sound that impossible to me. 28 frigs against 1 BS is a dead BS with no casualties. Against 2, its 2 dead BS with some casualties. Against 10 battleships at close range is a lot of dead frigs. If you dont know why then you have no business leading a gang. Originally by: Michayel Lyon And you wonder if we would have taken the fight? Well, probably. Then you are a fool. Originally by: Michayel Lyon And we are playing the game, as I'm sure you've noticed after losing several ships to us. The reason we come here and talk smack is because we feel sad for the students that pay 5 million ISK to learn useless tactics from somebody that from what we've seen hasn't shown any knowledge of PvP whatsoever. You posted this out of altruistic interest in humanity and the newbies of Eve? Pull the other one, it has bells on it. You came here to smack talk and talk yourself up and boost your ego. In the process you have demonstrated that you have absolutely 0 knowledge of gang command and pvp beyond counting BS guns. As for the fact that you have killed me (the links), so what ? I have died many times and it doesnt bother me. If you have never been podded in pvp then all you have been doing is Gank or Run and that is bloody booring. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells	Posted - 2006.07.03 16:38:00 - [118] Addendum: After further consideration and looking at some of the the killmails from the course (see page 2), you DID come in at the end of a battle. Not all the KMs have been posted though. I will leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why the battle was 80km off the gate. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
floggar	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:36:00 - [119] WHen is the next destroyer class? Ive taken the PVP class. Its a great experience. THis class is great for the non pvper, it may turn you into a pvper. If your not too hip on the game mechanics, then I recommend this class.
John Leitch	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:40:00 - [120] I have seen the agony fleets sail through syndicate more often, i say keep up the good work teaching those new to pvp, and give us Syndicate residents some more targets! (Goons get boring after a while)

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