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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 11:02:52
Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 11:00:57
Agony Unleashed PvP University continues to offer PvP training services for those new to PvP in Eve. Feel the adrenaline. Enroll now and learn how to fight back.
On Saturday, July 1 at 1800 Eve Time we will be holding another PVP-BASIC seminar. The same seminar that over 350 students have attended with 100% suctomer satisfaction. Go ahead and ask them what they think. You will never have had so much fun in Eve.
Enroll now by clicking here. and stop being a victim to the scum of Eve.
This course covers how to move in fleets, Make instas, create and use safe spots, reconnaissance and much more. You will learn the basics of how to tackle, coordinate your attacks, jam your opponents and basic pvp fitting. In addition, you will learn how to set up your overview to make sure that you can fight effectively without stupid mistakes made be pilots new to PvP. Finally, You will learn how to prioritize your skill training to make you more capable in PvP. At the enf of the course you will be able to effectively fight as a member of a tech 1 frigate fleet wolfpack, some of the most fun pvp in the game. During the course we will be flying in a PvP capacity in lowsec space as well as potentially 0.0 space in one of two pirate infested regions.
- Course Code: BASIC-0107061800
- Required Skills:
- Propulsion Jamming 1
- Afterburner 1
- Racial Frigate 3
- Sensor Linking 1
- Warp Drive Operation 3
- Target Painting 1
- Weapon Disruption 1
- Electronic Warfare 1
Required Equipment: Detailed in PVP-BASIC forum
Cost: 5m isk Per pilot. Each pilot can bring up to 2 friends with them for 2.5m isk each. That is three people for the price of two, a perfect chance to get your corp mates involved. Please note that your buddy must also register and post here and you must declare them to be your buddy in your enrollment post!
Duration: Estimated 3 hours instruction plus undefined amount of flight time putting what you have learned to use!
Instructor: Rasql
Location: Stacmon
Minimum Enrollment: 15 Students
Enrollment Cap: 35 Students
Send ISK To: Kesro
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.26 10:59:00 -
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Can pirates join up? Yes, its a serious question.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Jim McGregor
Can pirates join up? Yes, its a serious question.
If they can get to Stacmon V, Impro Factory and observe the cease fire which forbids combat between students during the seminar and for 2 jumps around it, during the class, yes.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:04:00 -
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this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:07:00 -
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Jenny Spitfire fully endorse this thread. Rells is a good teacher. This is the place to be when you want to try PvP for the first time. You can come to me after graduation. 
Rells, contact me when you are going to do an Agony IPO.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Rells, contact me when you are going to do an Agony IPO.
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Shame on the man for offering pvp lessons for isk, scum like him makes me sick! 
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Shame on the man for offering pvp lessons for isk, scum like him makes me sick!
Not really a scam. I went for a lesson in Agony. 
Quite a good and fun experience if you never have done PvP before. n00bs can see that they dont need T2s and uber1337 skillpoints to PvP.
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:24:00 -
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I know, i was being sarcastic, i will enroll sometime myself once i can get myself off these learning skills. 
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Jenny Spitfire fully endorse this thread. Rells is a good teacher. This is the place to be when you want to try PvP for the first time. You can come to me after graduation.
Rells, contact me when you are going to do an Agony IPO.
Thanks Jenny; as always I appreciate your support. Contact me by Eve Mail when you get a chance.
-- Rells
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Our students are our record and we have 100% customer satisfaction. Dont ask me, ask them.
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!
Blow your lying butt out of space.
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Dekiri
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:31:00 -
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I have never taken a "class" from rells nor do i have deeper insights on his corp, but for some reason Rells posts always make me think he would play a paladin in a fantasy mmorpg.
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Hello "pirates"!
Pillage and blow up stuff = PIRATE!
Ask strangers for money = BEGGAR!
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Shame on the man for offering pvp lessons for isk, scum like him makes me sick!
he's lesson aint worth it
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!
Blow your lying butt out of space.
I realy wanna see you do that
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McRayJ
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:42:00 -
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This aint a scam, iv been on most of the PVP seminars, there the best fun you can have maybe you should go to, Stacmon area and see how much of a scam it really is? take your battelship and attack lets see how "l33t" you are.
Doing a great Job rells keep it up.
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Shame on the man for offering pvp lessons for isk, scum like him makes me sick!
he's lesson aint worth it
It seems they are, people are signing up are they not? For people in new corps with other new players this is a great chance, i myself would hate having to rely on forum guides and "advice" when i can learn it directly from someone, and then put it to use right away. Why learn the hard way if you can do it the easy way? 
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Shame on the man for offering pvp lessons for isk, scum like him makes me sick!
he's lesson aint worth it
It seems they are, people are signing up are they not? For people in new corps with other new players this is a great chance, i myself would hate having to rely on forum guides and "advice" when i can learn it directly from someone, and then put it to use right away. Why learn the hard way if you can do it the easy way?
if he wanted to help noobies, he wouldnt charge them 5m
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Shame on the man for offering pvp lessons for isk, scum like him makes me sick!
he's lesson aint worth it
It seems they are, people are signing up are they not? For people in new corps with other new players this is a great chance, i myself would hate having to rely on forum guides and "advice" when i can learn it directly from someone, and then put it to use right away. Why learn the hard way if you can do it the easy way?
if he wanted to help noobies, he wouldnt charge them 5m
We all need isk.
5Mil is a tad steep though. 
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Caleb Paine
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:58:00 -
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My guess is that they'll provide a BS to test it on (not sure tho). If they are the loss of that BS + time invested by the teacher and the whole thing behind it, 5 mil doesn't sound much. If these lessons keep you alive 2 times in your whole EVE experience it's a good deal.
But yeah, for real new players 5 mil is a lot.
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:36:00 -
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Shouldn't this be in the recruitment-thread?
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Paine
My guess is that they'll provide a BS to test it on (not sure tho). .
lol, they'll roam around syndicate and looking for other noobs and ocasionaly they find mining bs or something wich they jamm with 100jammers
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 12:52:31
Originally by: Caleb Paine
My guess is that they'll provide a BS to test it on (not sure tho). If they are the loss of that BS + time invested by the teacher and the whole thing behind it, 5 mil doesn't sound much. If these lessons keep you alive 2 times in your whole EVE experience it's a good deal.
But yeah, for real new players 5 mil is a lot.
The wolfpack is actual combat not simulated. Have your clone up to date, you could get podded. But then learning not to fear being podded is important. 
Any newbie that needs help raising funds for the course is welcome to come along when Im doing level 3 or 4 missions and loot everything. Im only interested in the bounties and LP at the moment. Other AGONY pilots will invite you as well. Just join our public channel and chat us up.
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Caleb Paine
My guess is that they'll provide a BS to test it on (not sure tho). .
lol, they'll roam around syndicate and looking for other noobs and ocasionaly they find mining bs or something wich they jamm with 100jammers
The killmails are on the enrollment thread. At least some of them. Some of our students dont post their killmails.
And I would highly doubt there are many noobs in syndicate. But I see why you are so angry? Is your main the driver of that geddon from the June 24th class?
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Shouldn't this be in the recruitment-thread?
Negative. Students dont join AGONY to attend the classes, they stay in their original corps. AGONY is invite-only.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 12:52:31
Originally by: Caleb Paine
My guess is that they'll provide a BS to test it on (not sure tho). If they are the loss of that BS + time invested by the teacher and the whole thing behind it, 5 mil doesn't sound much. If these lessons keep you alive 2 times in your whole EVE experience it's a good deal.
But yeah, for real new players 5 mil is a lot.
The wolfpack is actual combat not simulated. Have your clone up to date, you could get podded. But then learning not to fear being podded is important.
Any newbie that needs help raising funds for the course is welcome to come along when Im doing level 3 or 4 missions and loot everything. Im only interested in the bounties and LP at the moment. Other AGONY pilots will invite you as well. Just join our public channel and chat us up.
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Caleb Paine
My guess is that they'll provide a BS to test it on (not sure tho). .
lol, they'll roam around syndicate and looking for other noobs and ocasionaly they find mining bs or something wich they jamm with 100jammers
The killmails are on the enrollment thread. At least some of them. Some of our students dont post their killmails.
And I would highly doubt there are many noobs in syndicate. But I see why you are so angry? Is your main the driver of that geddon from the June 24th class?
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Shouldn't this be in the recruitment-thread?
Negative. Students dont join AGONY to attend the classes, they stay in their original corps. AGONY is invite-only.
this is my only char, and I'm not agnry , I'm iritated some some1 scam noobs by pretending to teach them PvP, when they have no idea what they are doing them self
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 13:05:43
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is my only char, and I'm not agnry , I'm iritated some some1 scam noobs by pretending to teach them PvP, when they have no idea what they are doing them self
If this is your only char then you have not taken the course and therefore could have NO IDEA what happens inside that course. Therefore you are talking out an orafice other than your mouth.
Again, I ask prospective students to browse the enrollment threads and even contact an old student and ask them. Dont take our word for us. We live on our reputation and not one player has ever been dissatisfied.
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cytomatrix
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Shame on the man for offering pvp lessons for isk, scum like him makes me sick!
Not really a scam. I went for a lesson in Agony.
No wonder why you ships are heavy stabbed. I guess he did a good job teaching you his ship setups.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:45:00 -
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I haven't taken the courses yet, but that's only because of my work schedule. As soon as the opportunity presents itself, I plan to enroll. Five million ISK is less than what it would cost to replace a ship lost by making some n00b mistake, so the classes are worth it in my book.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 13:05:43
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is my only char, and I'm not agnry , I'm iritated some some1 scam noobs by pretending to teach them PvP, when they have no idea what they are doing them self
If this is your only char then you have not taken the course and therefore could have NO IDEA what happens inside that course. Therefore you are talking out an orafice other than your mouth.
Again, I ask prospective students to browse the enrollment threads and even contact an old student and ask them. Dont take our word for us. We live on our reputation and not one player has ever been dissatisfied.
I'v been on your TS when you were out PvPing, and all I can say is LOL!!!!
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 14:17:29
There is a distinct pattern here. Idiot flamers who have never taken the class talking smack and trash and those that have taken the class or are intending to talking like adults.
Originally by: cytomatrix
No wonder why you ships are heavy stabbed. I guess he did a good job teaching you his ship setups.
If you put a stab on a frig you are wasting a low slot.
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
I'v been on your TS when you were out PvPing, and all I can say is LOL!!!!
Fascenating since we use ventrilo. Furthermore, we use secure channels that are password protected when out pvping. So I think you might want to come up with a lie that is at least halfway believable.
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Requiescat
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:11:00 -
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say what you want but rells' class is a great experience ...except when our blob gets out-blobbed by goonfleet =)
keep it up rells!
ps... mind if i tag along on some classes sometime? could use a little friggy refresher
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Tuang Pao
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:52:00 -
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New pilots can spend 5M ISK on a cruiser and fittings only to lose it within hours and be none the wiser. On the other hand they can spend 5M ISK for training and gain a foundation in EVE PVP combat skills that will serve them their entire time in the game.
The choice is clear. Waste your time in trial and error or take the fast track? Even if you save yourself the loss of only one cruiser you'll have paid for your class. PVP University is well worth the time and expense.
Rells is a fine teacher and I endorse PVP University.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:09:00 -
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I've said it before and since I'm never short of an opinion I'll say it again.
I think this is a fine idea.
5 mill ISK is really a nominal amount to "invest" in improving your skills and having some fun.
Heck, I bet for a bunch of people in the class it's their first jaunt in 0.0 - that can only be a good thing.
@ Fraki, if you want to make an idiot out of yourself then make your own thread, please don't troll others to do it.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
[[list]Course Code: BASIC-0107061800
Required Skills:[list]
Propulsion Jamming 1
Afterburner 1
Racial Frigate 3
Sensor Linking 1
Warp Drive Operation 3
Target Painting 1
Weapon Disruption 1
[*] Electronic Warfare 1
It's this part that makes me laugh. Course Code : BASIC-0107061800??
Is rells doing so much work he has to make up 10 digit randomized numbers now? I mean comeon... thats just funny stuff right there.
Personally I haven't taken Rells course, but if he tries teaching you anything about "honor" or "battlefield etiquette", my advice is to disregard that part. Every time I see Rells demonstrate those he ands up in his pod, sputtering indignantly in local.
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Swindy
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tuang Pao
New pilots can spend 5M ISK on a cruiser and fittings only to lose it within hours and be none the wiser. On the other hand they can spend 5M ISK for training and gain a foundation in EVE PVP combat skills that will serve them their entire time in the game.
The choice is clear. Waste your time in trial and error or take the fast track? Even if you save yourself the loss of only one cruiser you'll have paid for your class. PVP University is well worth the time and expense.
Rells is a fine teacher and I endorse PVP University.
I'll second this.
I took the Basic class; it was an absolute blast and I learned a ton. I've since convinced several of my corp mates to take the class and they all had a great time and learned a lot too.
Most of the folks in my corp are noobs (me included) and this was really our first experience with any sort of organized PvP. The class I took lasted ~7 hours, and @5M isk that's one heck of a bargain in my opinion.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 14:17:29
There is a distinct pattern here. Idiot flamers who have never taken the class talking smack and trash and those that have taken the class or are intending to talking like adults.
Originally by: cytomatrix
No wonder why you ships are heavy stabbed. I guess he did a good job teaching you his ship setups.
If you put a stab on a frig you are wasting a low slot.
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
I'v been on your TS when you were out PvPing, and all I can say is LOL!!!!
Fascenating since we use ventrilo. Furthermore, we use secure channels that are password protected when out pvping. So I think you might want to come up with a lie that is at least halfway believable.
vertrillto /ts I just call it ts, I dont care and I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
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wolverine 84
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:10:00 -
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i have tacken part in this course and i would say that it is well worth the isk they will teach u how to move and how to think in a pvp situation and rells is a very good teacher he tells u how to do things and a simple way insted of trying to confuse new players
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Xan Riden
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bentguru
Originally by: Rells
[[list]Course Code: BASIC-0107061800
Required Skills:[list]
Propulsion Jamming 1
Afterburner 1
Racial Frigate 3
Sensor Linking 1
Warp Drive Operation 3
Target Painting 1
Weapon Disruption 1
[*] Electronic Warfare 1
It's this part that makes me laugh. Course Code : BASIC-0107061800??
Is rells doing so much work he has to make up 10 digit randomized numbers now? I mean comeon... thats just funny stuff right there.
Personally I haven't taken Rells course, but if he tries teaching you anything about "honor" or "battlefield etiquette", my advice is to disregard that part. Every time I see Rells demonstrate those he ands up in his pod, sputtering indignantly in local.
 How about a date time code
Here let me break it down for you, 01=day 07=month 06=year 1800=time.
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vertrillto /ts I just call it ts, I dont care and I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
WTF does this mean?
Personally I have never used Rells academy however I am seriously thinking about it. I have heard many people talk about his services and say they are more then worth it.
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Miarss Onaplate
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:34:00 -
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Took the course, well impressed. Being quite a noob when I did it, I had only ever done missions before.
Totally different than against npc's - kitting out frigs for PvP, optimal ranges, fleet movements, team working - nothing I had seen before, never see it unless in a corp.
For those not in a Corp, woth doing to see what your missing.
For those new to a corp, good learning start.
Well worth the money and time IMO
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Quite an odd scam...
You pay him.
He teaches you how to PVP if you don't know.
HOLY HELL SOMEONE PETITION THIS SCAMMER!
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
And now in English please?
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:45:00 -
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Paying to learn how to pvp is probably one of the worst things you can do.You could probably save more money by just grabing a frig and heading into low-sec with a buddy or two.
I mean you can even learn how to use the scanner in high-sec.The only real things left if ship & common fitting knowledge.Theres also movemen't and little tricks here and there.Stuff you would learn on you're own.And its always feels much better when you figure things out on you're own.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
And now in English please?
try to use your brain and figure it out, dont like my way of typing, dont read, simple is that
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Happydayz
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bentguru
Originally by: Rells
[[list]Course Code: BASIC-0107061800
Required Skills:[list]
Propulsion Jamming 1
Afterburner 1
Racial Frigate 3
Sensor Linking 1
Warp Drive Operation 3
Target Painting 1
Weapon Disruption 1
[*] Electronic Warfare 1
It's this part that makes me laugh. Course Code : BASIC-0107061800??
Is rells doing so much work he has to make up 10 digit randomized numbers now? I mean comeon... thats just funny stuff right there.
Evidently you aren't bright enough to realize that was a date-time-group, not a list of random numbers.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xan Riden
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vertrillto /ts I just call it ts, I dont care and I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
WTF does this mean?
It means he lies a lot. What he is talking about is essentially impossible -- every corpmate has a reserved account with a password preventing anyone from logging in as them.
Originally by: Xan Riden
Personally I have never used Rells academy however I am seriously thinking about it. I have heard many people talk about his services and say they are more then worth it.
We will make it well worth your isk as well.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Happydayz
Originally by: Bentguru
Originally by: Rells
[[list]Course Code: BASIC-0107061800
Required Skills:[list]
Propulsion Jamming 1
Afterburner 1
Racial Frigate 3
Sensor Linking 1
Warp Drive Operation 3
Target Painting 1
Weapon Disruption 1
[*] Electronic Warfare 1
It's this part that makes me laugh. Course Code : BASIC-0107061800??
Is rells doing so much work he has to make up 10 digit randomized numbers now? I mean comeon... thats just funny stuff right there.
Evidently you aren't bright enough to realize that was a date-time-group, not a list of random numbers.
Exactly.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Xan Riden
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vertrillto /ts I just call it ts, I dont care and I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
WTF does this mean?
It means he lies a lot. What he is talking about is essentially impossible -- every corpmate has a reserved account with a password preventing anyone from logging in as them.
Originally by: Xan Riden
Personally I have never used Rells academy however I am seriously thinking about it. I have heard many people talk about his services and say they are more then worth it.
We will make it well worth your isk as well.
if you say so
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Xan Riden
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vertrillto /ts I just call it ts, I dont care and I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
WTF does this mean?
It means he lies a lot. What he is talking about is essentially impossible -- every corpmate has a reserved account with a password preventing anyone from logging in as them.
Originally by: Xan Riden
Personally I have never used Rells academy however I am seriously thinking about it. I have heard many people talk about his services and say they are more then worth it.
We will make it well worth your isk as well.
if you say so
Since I rent the vent server from a provider, pay for it with my own money and admin it -- and since I am the only admin of the server, I do say so.
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Jonis Sinmaker
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Posted - 2006.06.26 21:34:00 -
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Hey Rells don't let Frakri Hogsto get under your skin...there is nothing wrong with teaching new guys how to murder people bro....as much as I rag on you guys in local you guys are doing a good job. Get those no0bs out into 0.0 so they know what it's about.
Frakri Hogsto you sound like a bitter victim of one of Rells training sessions. How about you go troll somewhere else and let the guy plug his school. If you have constructive points to his training methods then by all means post them, in a coherant and legable manner without the insults and lies.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Xan Riden
Quote:
vertrillto /ts I just call it ts, I dont care and I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
WTF does this mean?
It means he lies a lot. What he is talking about is essentially impossible -- every corpmate has a reserved account with a password preventing anyone from logging in as them.
Originally by: Xan Riden
Personally I have never used Rells academy however I am seriously thinking about it. I have heard many people talk about his services and say they are more then worth it.
We will make it well worth your isk as well.
if you say so
Since I rent the vent server from a provider, pay for it with my own money and admin it -- and since I am the only admin of the server, I do say so.
as I said, I'v been under name of your corp m8 who was offline, and you moved me yourself to your pvp channel, I'v told you in vert chat that I was at wrok, and theirfor couldnt speak, rings a bell?
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 22:23:00 -
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Realy Entertaining Learning Leassons Surly, Show Under Xerox
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 22:26:00 -
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I Realy Underestimated Learning Lessons
dont you agree?
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Aeonn Aeriss
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Posted - 2006.06.26 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Realy Entertaining Learning Leassons Surly, Show Under Xerox
??? WTF is this even English? It's pretty easy to guess that Frakri got smoked by a bunch of "noobs" in frigs and can only fight back by flaming on the forums after getting his ass pounded in game.
I took this class with a m8 and had a great time. 5 million isk is nothing once you run level 3 missions anyway. Plus they discount the price when you bring friends. I think it cost my friend and myself 3.5 mil each. This was my first exposure to 0.0 and pvp and I learned a lot. Even if you're the type that already knows it all (frakri hogsmoker) it's still a lot of fun. If you're debating doing it - I say do it. I would bet isk you won't regret it. We killed a battleship and some cruisers the saturday I went.
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Jarek Naumen
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Posted - 2006.06.26 23:06:00 -
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Frakri has some serious issues with Rells it seems . You should cool down a bit and stop flaming...you've made your point now stop acting like a fool. Tbh i don't understand what could be possibly wrong with this PvP school....what's the thing you don't like Frakri? 5m is a fair sum, corps can even pay for educating their newbie members, and i'm sure they learn a lot...at least they get their first organized PvP action and that's a big thing for most. Encourages more players to get into PvP. So all in all sounds like an excellent idea to me.
Anyway i think i will just buy a lesson myself to participate and see what troubles Frakri
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.27 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Bentguru on 27/06/2006 01:13:36
Date Time Code in america goes mm/dd/yy
I had thought that it was, but that would mean that it was january 7th, 2006, which obviously makes 0 sense.
Admittedly I had forgetten you euro's do things oddly again, but get off all your high horses. Some of you are better than that.
edit: Just to clarify, got nothing against the course itself. Anything that gets more players into pvp is welcome in my book. But rells competetance in my opinion as a good gang lead compared to other ones i've flown with is very lacking. Every time i've been in a fight with him he's made some mistake and his gang pays the price.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.27 02:00:00 -
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Errr correct me if I'm wrong, but at 5 mill a pop, with say 25 students, he only makes 125mill. And to do this he gives up an entire day, and puts up with a lot of 'dumb' questions and hangs out with people who generally don't have a clue.
Err, ya, this is the worst scamm in the history of eve, since there is no way I would do that for such little isk.
But best of luck. I havn't attended one of these classes, but I know people who have. And everyone has been happy. I would personally not hestitate to sign up.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 02:37:00 -
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very good idea, free bump for this
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Posted - 2006.06.27 02:49:00 -
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Isn't this the guy who wanted game mechanics changed because his 19 man gang couldn't kill a BS?
And the same one who lost 4 Frigates and a Destroyer to a single Nemesis, and came to the forums to brag about it?
Yeah, sounds like the guy I want teaching me to PvP. How do I sign up?
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Bessemer
Isn't this the guy who wanted game mechanics changed because his 19 man gang couldn't kill a BS?
And the same one who lost 4 Frigates and a Destroyer to a single Nemesis, and came to the forums to brag about it?
Yeah, sounds like the guy I want teaching me to PvP. How do I sign up?
4 frigs, and a destroyer, who prob hadn't ever engaged in a single PVP adventure before.
I have no idea why this post gets so many flames. Seriously people, 5 mill is nothing to be at least taught the basics of PVP, scanner, and overview usage.
I'm offering right now, to sponser two people who seriously wish to take this course. 2 more people PVP'ing is a good thing. Convo me. (no alts)
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Henry Bessemer
Isn't this the guy who wanted game mechanics changed because his 19 man gang couldn't kill a BS?
And the same one who lost 4 Frigates and a Destroyer to a single Nemesis, and came to the forums to brag about it?
Yeah, sounds like the guy I want teaching me to PvP. How do I sign up?
4 frigs, and a destroyer, who prob hadn't ever engaged in a single PVP adventure before.
Actually, if I recall correctly, these were AGONY people, not people taking his course.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lorth on 27/06/2006 03:17:26
Originally by: Henry Bessemer
Actually, if I recall correctly, these were AGONY people, not people taking his course.
Hows Pator Tech School's PVP record been for the mounth and a half you've been in it?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
And now in English please?
I don't think you can translate retardese.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Bessemer
Isn't this the guy who wanted game mechanics changed because his 19 man gang couldn't kill a BS?
And the same one who lost 4 Frigates and a Destroyer to a single Nemesis, and came to the forums to brag about it?
Yeah, sounds like the guy I want teaching me to PvP. How do I sign up?
I don't see what's wrong with coming to the forums and being proud of how some newbies just did in PVP, even if they did lose. Some people play EVE for *gasp* FUN!
I think the school's nice, maybe he should get a few helpers, up the class limit and maybe lower the fee though. Him and 2-3 others could teach maybe 50+ people and have even more fun.
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Henry Bessemer
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Edited by: Lorth on 27/06/2006 03:17:26
Originally by: Henry Bessemer
Actually, if I recall correctly, these were AGONY people, not people taking his course.
Hows Pator Tech School's PVP record been for the mounth and a half you've been in it?
I don't have exact numbers for you, obviously, but I can say I'm pretty sure we've never lost 5 ships to one of the most underpowered ships in the game. Honestly, a solo Rifter could pop a Stealth Bomber (Manticore possibly excluded.)
Also, Fate isn't really in any position to compare PvP records, even with n00b industrial corps.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Bessemer
Hows Pator Tech School's PVP record been for the mounth and a half you've been in it?
I don't have exact numbers for you, obviously, but I can say I'm pretty sure we've never lost 5 ships to one of the most underpowered ships in the game. Honestly, a solo Rifter could pop a Stealth Bomber (Manticore possibly excluded.)
Also, Fate isn't really in any position to compare PvP records, even with n00b industrial corps.
Ok so they lost a fight, or didn't do well.. So has Fate as you have pointed out, we suck at killing miners TBH... Just the other day we lost 6 HAC's against a mining barge...
But I'm wondering how does a charactor who's less then two mounths old get off and proclaiming these guys to be poor PVP teachers based on one fight which we don't know the specifics of, or even if it actually happened, other then your word.
Heck tell me why we should take the word of a pilot who based on his NPC standings has done more mission grinding in two mounths then I have in years, in regards to the quality of a PVP corp?
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Henry Bessemer
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Posted - 2006.06.27 04:05:00 -
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You shouldn't take my word for it. You'd be stupid if you did. You should take Rells' word for it though.
Rells asking for change to game mechanics because his 19-man gang couldn't kill a BS before it jumped out.
AGONY vs. Nemesis
There you go.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.27 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lorth on 27/06/2006 04:19:17
Originally by: Henry Bessemer
You shouldn't take my word for it. You'd be stupid if you did. You should take Rells' word for it though.
Rells asking for change to game mechanics because his 19-man gang couldn't kill a BS before it jumped out.
AGONY vs. Nemesis
There you go.
Hmm... So he used the number 19 instead of say 10, since he was talking in hypotheticals, in the first example.
And BTW he is prob right on that issue. With the increasing in hitpoints, and with tanking becoming more effective its easy to wait out a 1 min aggro timers.
And as to the second example. Since your not old enough to remember, or know. There was something called percision cruise, which were so horribly unbalanced, that they made such an event common place when that post was written.
but hey, who am I to let facts stand in the way of a good flame fest?
Anyways, I'm off. Best of luck to the OP, and I still pledge help to 2 newbies who want to take this course, mail me if I'm not in game.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.27 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
I have no idea why this post gets so many flames. Seriously people, 5 mill is nothing to be at least taught the basics of PVP, scanner, and overview usage.
It's not because of the concept, it's because of the man behind the concept.
Personally, and this is me, I have no problem and in fact morally support stuff like this. The more people pvping in eve the better. I do however think that almost all of Rells' posts have an abnormal amount of e-peen waving in them (like using a super special code instead of saying "The course is on july 1st at 1800 EVE time".) Though my opinion of him is probably a result of the fights I've had with agony and him in particular, which both resulted in the rather stupid death of his ship. I say stupid because well... attacking a dominix in a ferox is just retarded, nevermind the apoc on the other side of the gate, irregardless of wether he could afford the loss or not. And both events where accompanied by lots of whining about "honor" and other linked concepts both on the forums and in local.
So, in short, I'm behind getting nubs into PVP. And do reccomend taking some course to get introduced to the subject, though with everything else you wont master it in rell's courseload, that will take lots of practice on your own. But I'm not behind Rells, because I think he's a nub.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 06:24:00 -
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The course code is there for payment purposes. It states in the enrollment thread that you must send Kesro 5m and the course code and pilot name in the message so that we know what the 5m isk is for. The course code is just a simple copy paste into the payment message for that reason, nothing more.
I've been flying my lvl 4 missions with week old players in frigates lately and spliting my mission profits with them to get them the money for the course and I, as well as other Agony members, are willing to do the same for others that need help raising the 5m isk enrollment fee, so this should not be an issue.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bentguru
(like using a super special code instead of saying "The course is on july 1st at 1800 EVE time".)
Good lord, it is a standard date-time-group. Just drop it. They are used all the time in the public and private sectors to label and differentiate events.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
as I said, I'v been under name of your corp m8 who was offline, and you moved me yourself to your pvp channel, I'v told you in vert chat that I was at wrok, and theirfor couldnt speak, rings a bell?
Nope. As I said before, all AGONY members have reserved passwords and we do pvp operations in secure channels. You are simply lieing your buns off. What you say you did is fundamentally impossible. Troll elsewhere.
I see everyone who has taken the course advocating it and the only people flaming are dweebs like you who lie through their teeth at the drop of a pin and never have taken the course.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Henry Bessemer
Isn't this the guy who wanted game mechanics changed because his 19 man gang couldn't kill a BS?
And the same one who lost 4 Frigates and a Destroyer to a single Nemesis, and came to the forums to brag about it?
Yeah, sounds like the guy I want teaching me to PvP. How do I sign up?
I don't see what's wrong with coming to the forums and being proud of how some newbies just did in PVP, even if they did lose. Some people play EVE for *gasp* FUN!
I think the school's nice, maybe he should get a few helpers, up the class limit and maybe lower the fee though. Him and 2-3 others could teach maybe 50+ people and have even more fun.
In practicality the class limit of 30 people is the max you can feasibly control and hope to go out with without constant interruptions from people needingto AFK and so on. However, its quite a bit of fun.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Bessemer
You shouldn't take my word for it. You'd be stupid if you did. You should take Rells' word for it though.
Rells asking for change to game mechanics because his 19-man gang couldn't kill a BS before it jumped out.
AGONY vs. Nemesis
There you go.
The actuality is that the gate aggro timer is too low and the post wasnt about CURRENT situation, it was about the future with the promised increases in combat time. So few read the thread completely an just take out the flame thrower without thinking.
The fact is that if combat time is trippled, you will get almost no one that can be killed because of the gate aggro timer.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Anyways, I'm off. Best of luck to the OP, and I still pledge help to 2 newbies who want to take this course, mail me if I'm not in game.
You are a gentleman. Thanks for your support. Thoughtful and well reasoned posts restore my faith in the players of this game. Let me know if you get those two people and I will give you both at buddy discount rate. (2.5 mil each).
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bentguru
Personally, and this is me, I have no problem and in fact morally support stuff like this. The more people pvping in eve the better. I do however think that almost all of Rells' posts have an abnormal amount of e-peen waving in them (like using a super special code instead of saying "The course is on july 1st at 1800 EVE time".)
The code is because there are dozens of transactions hitting the ISK collector and he needs to be able to sort out multiple enrollment threads. The code is a simple date/time composition (using non-usa sequencing). It makes administering enrollments much easier.
Originally by: Bentguru
Though my opinion of him is probably a result of the fights I've had with agony and him in particular, which both resulted in the rather stupid death of his ship.
Agony takes chances. Something that many other corps dont do. How many people have you flown with that do the battleship count -- "They have 6 bs and we have 4, so safespot -- ok now we have 8 and they 6, lets go -- nevermind they safe spotted." Agony pilots have no problem sacrificing if need be and in return we blow up FAR FAR more isk value than we lose. Some 100 to 200 times more.
Case in point, we warped intentionally into a 3FA bubble with 15 tech 1 frigs and killed a tech 2 fitted Harpy and then warped out. 4 ships got destroyed and 1 pod. Who won? You would probably say 3FA but when you count up the isk, we did 50 times more damage to them than they did to us.
Those in the game that qualify a victory by staying alive lead a very booring life of gank or safespot. We take chances and we love it. The last pvp basic class killed an armageddon under the nose of 10 other heavy ships including 3 HACs, 2 BS 2 BC and some frigs and other stuff. The move was very tactical and great. We lost 3 frigates in the engagement.
We take chances, we take risks. Often they work and its awesome rush. Sometimes they dont and we get wiped and try to learn from what went wrong. If you play it safe, if you tell me you havent been podded in months then I have nothing but sympathy for you.
Originally by: Bentguru
I say stupid because well... attacking a dominix in a ferox is just retarded, nevermind the apoc on the other side of the gate, irregardless of wether he could afford the loss or not. And both events where accompanied by lots of whining about "honor" and other linked concepts both on the forums and in local.
Actually the incident you are talkign about is the dominix attacked me and then jumped in a friend to help. I conceeded the point that the friend probably wanted on the killmail but I was annoyed at the time. I didnt smack in local, I merely wondered why he couldnt kill a rox alone with his domi; if that was smack talk then I cant imagine what the FAR more "interesting" things agony hears in local all the time would be qualified as. And even If I did step over the line, no one is perfect. Not even you.
Originally by: Bentguru
But I'm not behind Rells, because I think he's a nub.
You are entitled to your opinion. I am merely me. A person, one that has good and bad day, makes good and bad decisions and simply wants to have fun and see other people have fun. If it is a crime to not be perfect then Im afraid I am guilty as charged. We all have bad days, fits of anger, weak moments and times when we screw up. There are two types of people in the world: those who say they are not perfect, and liars.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:52:00 -
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Realy Entertaining Learning Lesson Sessions, Surly Under X-man
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Realy Entertaining Learning Lesson Sessions, Surly Under X-man
Yep. He is Bachuss alt or at least has as few working thrusters as Bachuss. Only this guy and Bachuss can say things that so completely make no sense.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Realy Entertaining Learning Lesson Sessions, Surly Under X-man
Yep. He is Bachuss alt or at least has as few working thrusters as Bachuss. Only this guy and Bachuss can say things that so completely make no sense.
makes perfect sense imo
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Realy Entertaining Learning Lesson Sessions, Surly Under X-man
Yep. He is Bachuss alt or at least has as few working thrusters as Bachuss. Only this guy and Bachuss can say things that so completely make no sense.
and wtf/whtf is bachus?
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:03:00 -
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He is a person with an obsession with me just like you apparently have. I am sorry to tell you this but I'm extremely happily maried and even if I wasnt I like only women. Sorry to let you down but you have to let this obsession go. It will just harm you in the end. You will find someone to love eventually if you just believe in yourself. All this bad temper is just a show that fools no one and I am sorry you are so misearble. The "fatal attraction" act has to end though.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Bentguru on 27/06/2006 14:18:06
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Bentguru
Though my opinion of him is probably a result of the fights I've had with agony and him in particular, which both resulted in the rather stupid death of his ship.
Agony takes chances. Something that many other corps dont do. How many people have you flown with that do the battleship count -- "They have 6 bs and we have 4, so safespot -- ok now we have 8 and they 6, lets go -- nevermind they safe spotted." Agony pilots have no problem sacrificing if need be and in return we blow up FAR FAR more isk value than we lose. Some 100 to 200 times more.
I didn't say taking chances, I said stupid mistakes. It's in a very rare case I ever go into combat with numerical advantage, but we don't engage when we have no chance of winning. IMO your t1 frig examples don't really count since frigs are pretty much dispensable, and there's really no loss in loosing one. I've happily suicided in t1 frigs before. But again, every time I've fought you you've made very glaring tactical mistakes that result in your death, like sitting in the middle of a bubble instead of outside it, or engaging that domi at the gate in your ferox. Chances and risks are the name of the game, dying repeatedly because of continually making tactical errors is not.
Originally by: Rells
Actually the incident you are talkign about is the dominix attacked me and then jumped in a friend to help. I conceeded the point that the friend probably wanted on the killmail but I was annoyed at the time. I didnt smack in local, I merely wondered why he couldnt kill a rox alone with his domi; if that was smack talk then I cant imagine what the FAR more "interesting" things agony hears in local all the time would be qualified as. And even If I did step over the line, no one is perfect. Not even you.
Pardon me, by attacking I meant you agressed at the gate. Neither of us had any webs, and the correct decision would have been to just run to the gate and attempt an escape. I, personally, classify agressing and eliminating your chances at surviving as a dumb choice. And your correct about not smacking in local on that occaision, that was from a later fight where you got irate at us hooking up with a 3FA group and taking out an Agony gang in MHC. I didn't say you smacked, cause you didn't, at least not in my definition of the word. But you did have a little diatribe about honor and them bringing re-inforcements etc etc, was quite funny.
Originally by: Rells
You are entitled to your opinion. I am merely me. A person, one that has good and bad day, makes good and bad decisions and simply wants to have fun and see other people have fun. If it is a crime to not be perfect then Im afraid I am guilty as charged. We all have bad days, fits of anger, weak moments and times when we screw up. There are two types of people in the world: those who say they are not perfect, and liars.
All true. I'm just basing my opinion of you off what I've seen so far, you're welcome to do the same.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
He is a person with an obsession with me just like you apparently have. I am sorry to tell you this but I'm extremely happily maried and even if I wasnt I like only women. Sorry to let you down but you have to let this obsession go. It will just harm you in the end. You will find someone to love eventually if you just believe in yourself. All this bad temper is just a show that fools no one and I am sorry you are so misearble. The "fatal attraction" act has to end though.
woa, are you kinde high on your self?
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Posted - 2006.06.27 16:05:00 -
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 27/06/2006 17:40:15
Originally by: Bentguru
But again, every time I've fought you you've made very glaring tactical mistakes that result in your death,
Stop bringing up the same battle over and over again as if it happned 50 times. I have looked through killmails and loss mails and as far as I can tell that was our only encounter with you. If you make a decision based on that then I suppose if you got one bad orange you would swear oranges were poisonous? You won a fight. I may have made a mistake. SO BLOODY WHAT???? Get over it and get on with it. I am not so fragile as to shatter like glass at making a mistake.
As to the second incident you refer to in MHC it doesnt ring a bell (ive never seen 3FA flyign with anyone but their own and sometimes goonfleet though I gather relations are strained from conversations with Goonfleet pilots) and the most agony pilots do in local is to _o/. On the other hand I have seen other people say very very nasty things to us and some very very funny things as well. Recently one of the boys from PURE and another from WR3CK were smack talking abotu why we wouldnt warp 25 tech 1 frigs into 5 hacks, 4 battleships, assorted cruisers and frigs. Calling us all sorts of COLORFUL things in local. The fact is that we didnt warp into that fight not because of anything other than it would have been stupid.
As long as we are trading opinions I think you are self righteous, arrogant and so sure of your superiority that I fear for you when someday you make a mistake you cant handle and cant blame on someone else. Then again you will probably pass it off as someone else's fault anyway. You sit up there in your self made throne and judge people as if you have never made a mistake in combat, never made the wrong call, never done anything wrong. RIGHT ... tell another one because no one is buying it.
I am just a person, as failable as the next. I have made mistakes and I will make more. I dont have a problem with it because this is a GAME, a fact that many seem to forget -- you for example.
P.S. You already made a public mistake, not realizing the nature or the reason behind the course code when it was as plain as possible; so plain that SEVERAL people corrected you on it. Should I now troll your threads calling you an idiot and incompetent? I wont because I realize that people make mistakes and you, despite your apparent belief, are not a god.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.27 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Edited by: Rells on 27/06/2006 17:40:15
Originally by: Bentguru
But again, every time I've fought you you've made very glaring tactical mistakes that result in your death,
Stop bringing up the same battle over and over again as if it happned 50 times. I have looked through killmails and loss mails and as far as I can tell that was our only encounter with you. If you make a decision based on that then I suppose if you got one bad orange you would swear oranges were poisonous? You won a fight. I may have made a mistake. SO BLOODY WHAT???? Get over it and get on with it. I am not so fragile as to shatter like glass at making a mistake.
As to the second incident you refer to in MHC it doesnt ring a bell (ive never seen 3FA flyign with anyone but their own and sometimes goonfleet though I gather relations are strained from conversations with Goonfleet pilots) and the most agony pilots do in local is to _o/. On the other hand I have seen other people say very very nasty things to us and some very very funny things as well. Recently one of the boys from PURE and another from WR3CK were smack talking abotu why we wouldnt warp 25 tech 1 frigs into 5 hacks, 4 battleships, assorted cruisers and frigs. Calling us all sorts of COLORFUL things in local. The fact is that we didnt warp into that fight not because of anything other than it would have been stupid.
As long as we are trading opinions I think you are self righteous, arrogant and so sure of your superiority that I fear for you when someday you make a mistake you cant handle and cant blame on someone else. Then again you will probably pass it off as someone else's fault anyway. You sit up there in your self made throne and judge people as if you have never made a mistake in combat, never made the wrong call, never done anything wrong. RIGHT ... tell another one because no one is buying it.
I am just a person, as failable as the next. I have made mistakes and I will make more. I dont have a problem with it because this is a GAME, a fact that many seem to forget -- you for example.
P.S. You already made a public mistake, not realizing the nature or the reason behind the course code when it was as plain as possible; so plain that SEVERAL people corrected you on it. Should I now troll your threads calling you an idiot and incompetent? I wont because I realize that people make mistakes and you, despite your apparent belief, are not a god.
I never said I was a god, or compared your skill to pvp to mine at all. Personally I have made more then a few mistakes in the past and paid the price just like you. That doesn't make your mistakes, or mine, any less nubby. FYI, the 3FA thing was a spur of the moment deal, I could dig up the chatlog and killmail resulting from the fight if you really feel like it, but I'm not in the habit of making things up. As to my course code comment, I still find it funny despite the fact that I know what it is now, again thats just my reaction to it. Like I said earlier, where I live DTC's are done differently, so it was more a cultural thing than any lapse of judgement on my part.
Does being considered slightly nubbish and a bit ego-centric by some people really affect you so much?
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Affllack
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Posted - 2006.06.28 00:22:00 -
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HAHAHA OMFG!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA what makes you think you know anything about PvP! HAHAHHAHHA 2005.10.12 is your birth date! let me guess you have about 9million skill points? and you have like what maybe 50kills.....LOL...people dont pay this noob to teach you how to go into a belt scramble and peck sombody to death!
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Sever Aldaria
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Posted - 2006.06.28 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Affllack
HAHAHA OMFG!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA what makes you think you know anything about PvP! HAHAHHAHHA 2005.10.12 is your birth date! let me guess you have about 9million skill points? and you have like what maybe 50kills.....LOL...people dont pay this noob to teach you how to go into a belt scramble and peck sombody to death!
Trolls make such fools of themselves
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.28 02:08:00 -
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Moving back on topic..
I concider myself a carebear but I have been in several major battles in an number of alliance wars. However I will be honest that I dont really know a great deal about the ins and out of PVP, though I have written several guides for my alliance on the bare bone mechanics of eve. Would I, at nearly a year old, benefit from your course if I signed up? Because I'd like to give it a try.
I have all the skills your course requires.
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Ral YoungBeard
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Posted - 2006.06.28 03:51:00 -
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Well, the course covers fitting your frigate for fleet combat, setting up your overview, moving with a fleet & bookmarks, using your tactical display, using the scanner, effective voice communications, and more, plus lots of putting what you've learned into practice with a "live fire" wolfpack in Syndicate. If you think you'd benefit from that, go ahead and sign up. :-)
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MrsWatts
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Posted - 2006.06.28 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Affllack
HAHAHA OMFG!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA what makes you think you know anything about PvP! HAHAHHAHHA 2005.10.12 is your birth date! let me guess you have about 9million skill points? and you have like what maybe 50kills.....LOL...people dont pay this noob to teach you how to go into a belt scramble and peck sombody to death!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=356598
Yeah players without 20 million SP that don't fly HACs and T2 BS into every battle will never make it in PvP. What could they possibly understand about combat in eve, or life in 0.0 space?
This is a great program. Guided exposure to PvP and 0.0 in eve is the best way to make the game fun, and keep it fun. This guy could charge 5 times the price and I'd think it was fully appropriate.
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Leo McGarry
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Posted - 2006.06.28 06:21:00 -
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This sounds like a great idea I'm surprised someone hasn't thought of it before!
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.06.28 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
Edited by: Xtreem on 26/06/2006 15:56:46
i fully agree with this service, due to providing me with excellent fun, and they are always friendly (the regulars)
see u in mhc :D
Great service. Rells is a good teacher, you gotta face his class for the first time and the second time you'll see how fast they adapt .
And yeah.. see ya in MHC
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat
say what you want but rells' class is a great experience ...except when our blob gets out-blobbed by goonfleet =)
keep it up rells!
ps... mind if i tag along on some classes sometime? could use a little friggy refresher
In all the flames I never saw this post.
You are welcome to tag along. All old students are welcome to come so long as we have space on Vent. Of course vent space is reserved for paid students and AGONY members but after that, anyone who has taken the class is welcome.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Frakri Hogsto on 28/06/2006 11:09:35
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.28 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
Originally by: Xtreem
Edited by: Xtreem on 26/06/2006 15:56:46
i fully agree with this service, due to providing me with excellent fun, and they are always friendly (the regulars)
see u in mhc :D
Great service. Rells is a good teacher, you gotta face his class for the first time and the second time you'll see how fast they adapt .
And yeah.. see ya in MHC
Quite a complement Kyguard. Thanks. We appreicate it. You guys are always fun to fight.
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Tityana
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Posted - 2006.06.28 15:29:00 -
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I have some awesome fraps of one of Rells training sessions should anyone care to see it.....
Dont bother me..SHOPPING!
DA PIMP
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Aaewen Hrothgarson
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Posted - 2006.06.29 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Moving back on topic..
I concider myself a carebear but I have been in several major battles in an number of alliance wars. However I will be honest that I dont really know a great deal about the ins and out of PVP, though I have written several guides for my alliance on the bare bone mechanics of eve. Would I, at nearly a year old, benefit from your course if I signed up? Because I'd like to give it a try.
I have all the skills your course requires.
There are many of the read ups now in the public sector so you can have a look some of the topics and make your own judgement.
To the course itself:
They make you realize that there is more about PvP than carry a big gun and shoot first. All that small but important things I didnt give a thought before this course.
In basic they teach you how to walk before you try to run, then you get tutored to make your first leaps.
Already saved me from finding myself with the face in the mud when trying to sprint ;)
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Darineah Charach
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Posted - 2006.06.29 06:16:00 -
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Seen a lot of people i respect sing the praises of this course, so i for one would love to sign up...if it wasn't at 4 in the morning. Let me know if there will ever be one run at a time more friendly to Australians.
Cheers
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.29 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Darineah Charach
Seen a lot of people i respect sing the praises of this course, so i for one would love to sign up...if it wasn't at 4 in the morning. Let me know if there will ever be one run at a time more friendly to Australians.
Cheers
What is the difference between your time and eve time?
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Belladonna Nightshade
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Posted - 2006.06.29 10:40:00 -
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To the Poor Aussies, downtime arrives at about 10pm.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Belladonna Nightshade
To the Poor Aussies, downtime arrives at about 10pm.
Ok then its GMT+10 ? Hmm that would be a bit tough without a class early in the morning in the USA I think. The question is would you get enough people in the class to make it worth it?
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Sever Aldaria
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 29/06/2006 13:43:57
Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 29/06/2006 13:43:36
Rells, why not schedule a class like normal and also schedule an Australian class on the other day of the weekend to see how many australians are interested in taking it at that time?
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:07:00 -
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That might be an option but who is going to run the class? To rasql and I that would be the WEEEEE hours of the morning. Im not sure who would be willing to teach that one and if there would be any action in the wolfpack part. Perhaps when Im done moving to the usa.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.30 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tityana
I have some awesome fraps of one of Rells training sessions should anyone care to see it.....
Is this sarcasm or honest? If honest I would like to see them.
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Lobster Man
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Posted - 2006.07.01 06:42:00 -
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Someone is gonna have fun ganking n00bs in t1 frigs in/near stacmon :D
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.07.01 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bentguru
It's this part that makes me laugh. Course Code : BASIC-0107061800?
What makes me laugh is that you clearly can't see that the number is the date and time of the course.
If you're going to try and sound arrogant, can you at least make sure you're not saying something idiotic?
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2006.07.01 16:23:00 -
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Please keep your replies on topic.
-Jacques.
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Oboe Tollali
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Posted - 2006.07.01 22:05:00 -
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I attended the last course, definately would recommend it.
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Sosus Red
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:39:00 -
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AWESOME CLASS! TBH, I never really cared much for PVP, because mainly I didnt understand the inticasies involved. Not to say I cant, Ive blown up ships when I had to. I have been playing eve for a really long time and I never really had a grasp of things and im sure there are many long time players who are exactly the same way. If you dont like PVP because you are not good at it, or really have never known the ins and outs of combat, this class is for you. Tired of hearing that this game "is not for you" as the PVPers love to say, then take this class!. I cant say enough good things about this course. Its more that just going out in a pack and blobbing, it teaches you strategy and proper fitting and EW, among other things. THink a Merlin and a few other frigates cant take out a scorpion while he is with two other BS's, all with LArge SB's? THink again. I did it tonight while taking this course. Rells and the rest of agony are really knowledgeable. After this course you will be more confident in your abilities and maybe begin to like the other side of eve.
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Mineral Inquisitor
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Posted - 2006.07.02 04:54:00 -
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I realize the lesson already occurred, but I have 2 questions: 1. Would you accept a miner like myself? and 2. Will you be doing this again? (If so, when?)
I'd like to try it out. Sounds fun. (Missed the original deadline to due to skill training conflict.)
Originally by: Metatron Celestia
You can stab, gank, grief, ransom miners, steal from their can, but if you pop their ore can, my gawd there will be hell to pay.
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Kurak Vand
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Posted - 2006.07.02 05:44:00 -
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o/
I just finished the course. We popped: brutix, omen, stabber, scorpion, vagabond. We podded some too. Talk about an adrenaline rush! If you haven't pvp'd, or haven't ever 'won' in pvp, you would do well to try this out. It beats mining/missions/ratting/complexes/mfg/trade any day in terms of the sheer fun of it.
I'm a total pvp noob. This was awesome. Absolutely the MOST fun I've had in any mmorpg. I learned a great deal during this course.
I reccomend the course to anyone who isn't |_|832 1337
If that describes you, 5mil is an exceptional value for the course. A scam this most definitely is not.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.02 10:17:00 -
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Thanks to all the ex-students for their support and kind words!
Originally by: Mineral Inquisitor
I realize the lesson already occurred, but I have 2 questions: 1. Would you accept a miner like myself? and 2. Will you be doing this again? (If so, when?)
I'd like to try it out. Sounds fun. (Missed the original deadline to due to skill training conflict.)
We have this class every 1 to 2 weeks.
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Gnawl Sergner
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Posted - 2006.07.02 13:58:00 -
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Excellent course, I had a lot of fun. You get much more than what you pay for.
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Michayel Lyon
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Posted - 2006.07.02 23:50:00 -
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This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.03 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Michayel Lyon
This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well.
Please tell me the point of this video? We should have hung around so you could snipe us at 100km? People have strange ideas sometimes.
The PRIMARY and CARDINAL rule of PvP is to fight with your brain, not yoru balls.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2006.07.03 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well.
Please tell me the point of this video? We should have hung around so you could snipe us at 100km? People have strange ideas sometimes.
The PRIMARY and CARDINAL rule of PvP is to fight with your brain, not yoru balls.
Fighting with balls is more fun. You must agree that looks pretty funny though ...
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 03/07/2006 14:45:26
Originally by: Gericault m0id
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well.
Please tell me the point of this video? We should have hung around so you could snipe us at 100km? People have strange ideas sometimes.
The PRIMARY and CARDINAL rule of PvP is to fight with your brain, not yoru balls.
Fighting with balls is more fun. You must agree that looks pretty funny though ...
No. It looks like you are ****ed off because we didnt hang around and let you snipe. It looks like you are doing pointless smacktalk that I hear a million times in the game. It looks like you are being unreasonable, think yourself L33T and cant manage to acknowledge what is considered reasonable thought process. It looks like you are trying to measure your "epeen" on the forum.
Sorry, not inteterested. Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War and one of the basic tennants is that you fight the enemy on your terms and not theirs. That is the path to victory. You came in with far more force than we had and you are trying to act like we turned down a fair fight. Im sure very few people would call several HACs and BS + other stuff vs 28 frigs a fair fight.
So basically you are trying to flame for us acting with intelligence. I wonder if the roles had been reversed would you have sat there taking losses? Would you have attacked and gotten the whole gang wiped out?
One of the most important things you learn in pvp basic is to take on only the fights you have a chance at and decline the others. The day you underestimate my students is the day you will lose a lot of expensive hardware to a lot of cheap hardware.
Why dont you just play the game and stop the smack talk.
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Michayel Lyon
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
No. It looks like you are ****ed off because we didnt hang around and let you snipe. It looks like you are doing pointless smacktalk that I hear a million times in the game. It looks like you are being unreasonable, think yourself L33T and cant manage to acknowledge what is considered reasonable thought process. It looks like you are trying to measure your "epeen" on the forum.
Sorry, not inteterested. Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War and one of the basic tennants is that you fight the enemy on your terms and not theirs. That is the path to victory. You came in with far more force than we had and you are trying to act like we turned down a fair fight. Im sure very few people would call several HACs and BS + other stuff vs 28 frigs a fair fight.
So basically you are trying to flame for us acting with intelligence. I wonder if the roles had been reversed would you have sat there taking losses? Would you have attacked and gotten the whole gang wiped out?
One of the most important things you learn in pvp basic is to take on only the fights you have a chance at and decline the others. The day you underestimate my students is the day you will lose a lot of expensive hardware to a lot of cheap hardware.
Why dont you just play the game and stop the smack talk.
No, we're not ****ed at all. We just had a good laugh at Vent at the sight of seeing 30 cheap t1 frigs belonging to the group of the self-proclaimed PvP professor of the game turn around and run at first sight of trouble, and wanted to share the experience. But while we are at the subject, let me ask you this: What were you doing sitting just 80 km off the gate? You are within sniping distance, so you have to run if you are afraid that your enemy will snipe. And you can't warp on the gate in case an easy target shows up, unless you had a cloaked ship sitting at least another 80 km behind the gate.
Also, isn't Electronic Warfare 1 a requirement for your course? Doesn't this imply that your 28 frigs combined has lots of EW fitted? 28 EW frigs against 10 incapacitated battleships and cruisers (sorry, no HACs in our group, you should get better intel) doesn't sound that impossible to me.
And you wonder if we would have taken the fight? Well, probably. We've taken frig fleets into Syndicate before. More often than not, at least some of us go back in our pods. But we usually have a HAC or battleship kill as well. That's the beauty of frig fleets. They're cheap and disposable.
And we are playing the game, as I'm sure you've noticed after losing several ships to us. The reason we come here and talk smack is because we feel sad for the students that pay 5 million ISK to learn useless tactics from somebody that from what we've seen hasn't shown any knowledge of PvP whatsoever.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Michayel Lyon
No, we're not ****ed at all. We just had a good laugh at Vent at the sight of seeing 30 cheap t1 frigs belonging to the group of the self-proclaimed PvP professor of the game turn around and run at first sight of trouble,
Again. Should we have sat there and let you snipe? Approached the gate directly and let you blow the whole fleet? Should we have charged screaming into a certain wipeout of the entire fleet? Would that have been the course you'd have taken? If so then you are a lousy commander. In a command situation, you analyze the situation and then evaluate your options and then execute a plan. You dont say "Oh there is a few targets" (while foaming out the mouth) and scream "CHARGE." Anyone who does should not be either teaching pvp or leading a gang.
Any idiot that takes 32 frigs against 10 BS plus support has no business in pvp. If you fly that way all the time, I hope, for the sake of your friends, that this is your last command.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
and wanted to share the experience. But while we are at the subject, let me ask you this: What were you doing sitting just 80 km off the gate?
I dont have info on the time frame. Likely you jumped in on the end of a battle. At any rate even if I knew exactly when that was, I wouldn't tell you what tactics we were using at the time. Figure it out for yourself.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
You are within sniping distance, so you have to run if you are afraid that your enemy will snipe. And you can't warp on the gate in case an easy target shows up, unless you had a cloaked ship sitting at least another 80 km behind the gate.
It has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with analyzing the tactical situation. With 10 BS there its pretty likely they can hit 80km. At any rate we use lots of tactics in gang. You seem to think the end all-be all of pvp is count up more BS then the other guy and press F1 through F8. If that is the limit of your tactics then Id suggest you get otu of syndicate. There are lots of people there like 3FA, Goonfleet, BoB and VI that will educate you at huge expense.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
Also, isn't Electronic Warfare 1 a requirement for your course? Doesn't this imply that your 28 frigs combined has lots of EW fitted?
Take the class and you will learn the tactics. You dont just shove a Multispec on every frig and fly. Its much more complicated than that.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
28 EW frigs against 10 incapacitated battleships and cruisers (sorry, no HACs in our group, you should get better intel) doesn't sound that impossible to me.
28 frigs against 1 BS is a dead BS with no casualties. Against 2, its 2 dead BS with some casualties. Against 10 battleships at close range is a lot of dead frigs. If you dont know why then you have no business leading a gang.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
And you wonder if we would have taken the fight? Well, probably.
Then you are a fool.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
And we are playing the game, as I'm sure you've noticed after losing several ships to us. The reason we come here and talk smack is because we feel sad for the students that pay 5 million ISK to learn useless tactics from somebody that from what we've seen hasn't shown any knowledge of PvP whatsoever.
You posted this out of altruistic interest in humanity and the newbies of Eve? Pull the other one, it has bells on it. You came here to smack talk and talk yourself up and boost your ego. In the process you have demonstrated that you have absolutely 0 knowledge of gang command and pvp beyond counting BS guns.
As for the fact that you have killed me (the links), so what ? I have died many times and it doesnt bother me. If you have never been podded in pvp then all you have been doing is Gank or Run and that is bloody booring.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:38:00 -
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Addendum: After further consideration and looking at some of the the killmails from the course (see page 2), you DID come in at the end of a battle. Not all the KMs have been posted though.
I will leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why the battle was 80km off the gate.
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floggar
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Posted - 2006.07.04 17:36:00 -
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WHen is the next destroyer class?
Ive taken the PVP class. Its a great experience. THis class is great for the non pvper, it may turn you into a pvper.
If your not too hip on the game mechanics, then I recommend this class.
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John Leitch
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Posted - 2006.07.04 20:40:00 -
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I have seen the agony fleets sail through syndicate more often, i say keep up the good work teaching those new to pvp, and give us Syndicate residents some more targets! (Goons get boring after a while)
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Semkhet
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Posted - 2006.07.05 10:42:00 -
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Anything that may induce players to try PvP even remotely is welcome, if on top some of them learn something then it's great.
Btw, any chance you may tell in advance the intinerary of your next course ? I think I still have a Flycatcher parked somewhere around Stacmon
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Farrellus Cameron
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:04:00 -
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Brilliant class. Highly, highly recommend it. Not only is it useful and informative but it is also just a whole lot of fun. I played for eight hours and although it was a little slow at first with the basics, once we hit Zero it was a blast and the time flew by. I was even reluctant to leave after eight hours but I knew I could easily spend another eight hours doing it, and that probably wouldn't be healthy.
The best part is having first hand knowledge that the smack talkers don't know what they are talking about. It's a very satisfying feeling.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:50:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Kaeten on 05/07/2006 22:51:06
**** wrong thread lmao
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:01:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Semkhet
Anything that may induce players to try PvP even remotely is welcome, if on top some of them learn something then it's great.
Btw, any chance you may tell in advance the intinerary of your next course ? I think I still have a Flycatcher parked somewhere around Stacmon
Im afraid not. Its variable anyway.
Originally by: John Leitch
I have seen the agony fleets sail through syndicate more often, i say keep up the good work teaching those new to pvp, and give us Syndicate residents some more targets! (Goons get boring after a while)
We like the targes as well.
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Nerish
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Posted - 2006.07.07 20:18:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
Brilliant class. Highly, highly recommend it. Not only is it useful and informative but it is also just a whole lot of fun. I played for eight hours and although it was a little slow at first with the basics, once we hit Zero it was a blast and the time flew by. I was even reluctant to leave after eight hours but I knew I could easily spend another eight hours doing it, and that probably wouldn't be healthy.
The best part is having first hand knowledge that the smack talkers don't know what they are talking about. It's a very satisfying feeling.
Pvp is addictive. =)
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.07.07 21:49:00 -
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GME members, you should be the last of all people to laugh at someone for their pvp abilities, when its just tactics.
We have seen your PvP abilities and there's not much to say, therefore I would recommend staying under the radar.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2006.07.07 22:25:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Kyguard
GME members, you should be the last of all people to laugh at someone for their pvp abilities, when its just tactics.
We have seen your PvP abilities and there's not much to say, therefore I would recommend staying under the radar.
ooo... that hurt my pride
I've been caught out a few times in your MHC gatecamps because I'm too lazy to log on with an alt before I jump in. Other than that, I can only remember losing one 1v1 in Syndicate against you guys.
As for PvP ability I'm not sure how you can measure it. You blob, I blob, BoB blobs all... I could challenge you to a 1v1 but I'm not sure if that'd prove either of us a better PvPer or whether it just shows who turns quicker when Lord Kinkelberry reaches 10.
However, if you'd like to take me up on the offer I roam Placid where I regularly lose ships in silly engagements. Perhaps you can be so kind as to liberate me of my next cruiser/battleship; or shall it be you who eats humble pie? 
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.07.08 14:54:00 -
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I don't see a need to. You've come to Syndicate along with your GA friends in the past and showed us what you can do.
I've seen enough. I'll be in MHC if you ever want to redeem yourself.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2006.07.08 15:55:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Kyguard
I don't see a need to. You've come to Syndicate along with your GA friends in the past and showed us what you can do.
I've seen enough. I'll be in MHC if you ever want to redeem yourself.
You might want to slow down with the ***** pipe there uncle rupert. What are you talking about? GA Friends?
M.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.07.08 16:42:00 -
[130]
Give the guy a break, its good fun for all involved and adds to the community.
And like Lorth says its hardly a huge profit making exercise.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.10 10:42:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Gericault m0id
Originally by: Kyguard
I don't see a need to. You've come to Syndicate along with your GA friends in the past and showed us what you can do.
I've seen enough. I'll be in MHC if you ever want to redeem yourself.
You might want to slow down with the ***** pipe there uncle rupert. What are you talking about? GA Friends?
M.
GME gank or flee. Thats about it. Kyguard, Xtreem and several in 3FA have fought evnly matched engagements with us and we win sometimes and they win sometimes. GME fights only if thea have 50 to 1 odds and then if you decline to engage one of their Domis with 10 frigs they smack talk like no tomorrow (nevermind that engaging a domi with 10 frigs is suicide).
The first experience I ever had with GME is that they set up a truce with standings for fighting some people in Syndicate and then promptly broke the truce and fired on agony pilots, without warning, including myself while under a flag of truce. That is what I call dishonorable.
Now please get out of this thread and stop trolling it. AU PvP University has had over 400 students and every single one of them has been satisfied, several to the extent of taking the second course. I advise prospective students to contact former students and ask them about their experiences and ignore all the trolls and flamers in this forum. Ask our customers.
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Druid R
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Posted - 2006.07.10 14:54:00 -
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whats your loss rate on these ops. must admit we do enjoy seeing agony roll into mhc, my sniper does often need using :)
is amusing to see and the players in agony's gang do seem to have a lot of fun, remember if u engage them to kill the ppl in agony first, then the rest all get scared and dont know what to do :)
keep at it rells i need more kill points on my board :)
Dru.
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Damien Smith
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Posted - 2006.07.10 15:53:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Damien Smith on 10/07/2006 15:54:17
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Gericault m0id
Originally by: Kyguard
I don't see a need to. You've come to Syndicate along with your GA friends in the past and showed us what you can do.
I've seen enough. I'll be in MHC if you ever want to redeem yourself.
You might want to slow down with the ***** pipe there uncle rupert. What are you talking about? GA Friends?
M.
GME gank or flee. Thats about it. Kyguard, Xtreem and several in 3FA have fought evnly matched engagements with us and we win sometimes and they win sometimes. GME fights only if thea have 50 to 1 odds and then if you decline to engage one of their Domis with 10 frigs they smack talk like no tomorrow (nevermind that engaging a domi with 10 frigs is suicide).
The first experience I ever had with GME is that they set up a truce with standings for fighting some people in Syndicate and then promptly broke the truce and fired on agony pilots, without warning, including myself while under a flag of truce. That is what I call dishonorable.
Now please get out of this thread and stop trolling it. AU PvP University has had over 400 students and every single one of them has been satisfied, several to the extent of taking the second course. I advise prospective students to contact former students and ask them about their experiences and ignore all the trolls and flamers in this forum. Ask our customers.
QFT. Turbulent is currently at war with Nova Republic (consisting of United Alliance [a corp, not an alliance as the name would suggest] and Cheers Bar and Grill [if i recall the name correctly]). Even though this alliance has many more members than our own ~20 man corp, after we decced them they enlisted the help of Gallente Mercantile Exchange (among others) to help them fight the war. The whole alliance + friends have been playing the 'run away, unless we totally outnumber them' game.
Sorry for the derail but it seems like these 'antipirates' all tend to follow the same tactics.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.10 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Druid R
whats your loss rate on these ops. must admit we do enjoy seeing agony roll into mhc, my sniper does often need using :)
is amusing to see and the players in agony's gang do seem to have a lot of fun, remember if u engage them to kill the ppl in agony first, then the rest all get scared and dont know what to do :)
keep at it rells i need more kill points on my board :)
We kill about 60 times the isk we loose on average.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2006.07.10 21:13:00 -
[135]
Rells your character portrait looks almost exactly like my father.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.07.10 23:34:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Rells your character portrait looks almost exactly like my father.
Scary..
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Rasql
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Posted - 2006.07.11 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Rells your character portrait looks almost exactly like my father.
Hehe now who's your Daddy!!!
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.07.11 14:28:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Rasql
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Rells your character portrait looks almost exactly like my father.
Hehe now who's your Daddy!!!
lmao!
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Sever Aldaria
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Posted - 2006.07.13 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lobster Man
Someone is gonna have fun ganking n00bs in t1 frigs in/near stacmon :D
Originally by: Kurak Vand
I just finished the course. We popped: brutix, omen, stabber, scorpion, vagabond. [...] I'm a total pvp noob.
I think you're right. They did have fun ganking while flying t1 frigs.
Originally by: Kaeten
Edited by: Kaeten on 05/07/2006 22:51:06
**** wrong thread lmao
Thanks for the bump anyway
Enrollment is still open for July 16th but the class is filling up fast.
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Semkhet
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:49:00 -
[140]
With the current love in this thread, soon or later a smartass will send an alt "to take a course" just to have enough intel to set a camp on the first 0.0 jump with his merry mates and pop the poor sods before they even start their class...
Teaching PvP's basics to noobs while hardly making a living is a commendable mission. Sincerely, how many among us would be patient enough ? Furthermore, critizicing something who brings potential targets to the game is certainly not coherent when done by supposed PvP'ers.
Unless I'am mistaken, Rells never pretended to be on the level of PvP'ers like The Priory's Waywatcher or Northius, KR0M's Trevedian or Max Flame and many other outstanding fighters. Instead he humbly attempts to instill some fundamental concepts.
Blobs are as exciting as watching drying paint, that's why I seldom join them, and even if I do, it's in ships like ceptors, dictors or recons which render that boring exercise somewhat more tactical.
Instead of simply laughing at noobs (which we all were), why not adapting ? Those who find themselves so good could use ships equivalent to the ones these noobs fly and meet them on a less unbalanced ground. From a PvP perspective, few things give so much fun like a melee of 30 frigs buzzing around. But I can understand that some peeps aren't interested in that. Specially those who are better at winning on the forums than ingame
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:00:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Semkhet
With the current love in this thread, soon or later a smartass will send an alt "to take a course" just to have enough intel to set a camp on the first 0.0 jump with his merry mates and pop the poor sods before they even start their class...
Been tried. Resulted in a 5 mil isk gain for us and nothing much more. There are lots of entrances to syndicate and AGONY intel is top notch. If you feel like wasting your time, give it a try.
Originally by: Semkhet
Teaching PvP's basics to noobs while hardly making a living is a commendable mission. Sincerely, how many among us would be patient enough ? Furthermore, critizicing something who brings potential targets to the game is certainly not coherent when done by supposed PvP'ers.
If you see them as potential targets only then it will be you that is the target. Never underestimate your opponent. PvP Basic has killed thousands of times the ISK it has lost and many HACs, BSes and so on. Six pilots have had the idea of showing up in smart bombing BS and five of them have died without us taking more than 2 or 3 casualties. We train people to do more than do F1 through F8. Far more. The day you see a PvP basic class in your area and laugh at their noobishness is likely the day you will lose you HAC, BS or other ship.
Originally by: Semkhet
Unless I'am mistaken, Rells never pretended to be on the level of ...
Rells is just Rells. He doesnt need to compare himself to anyone else. He just is who he is and tries to have fun adn get better all the time. Those that think they know it all are mistaken. Furthermore, at any single moment your 30 mil SP char might become a victim to players much younger. This is not the average MMOG where three years in equals invulnerability.
Originally by: Semkhet
Instead he humbly attempts to instill some fundamental concepts.
Hmm ... well I dont know how humbly. . As I said im just me. As for what we teach, we specialize in frigate warfare and its not just tackling or blobbing. There is a lot more to it. We have an encylcopedia of small ship tactics and skills and only part of it is able to be taught in the time of our courses. We also dotn teach all our tricks. However, if you think frigs are just tacklers you are mistaken.
Originally by: Semkhet
Blobs are as exciting as watching drying paint, that's why I seldom join them, and even if I do, it's in ships like ceptors, dictors or recons which render that boring exercise somewhat more tactical.
A fleet is not a blob. There is a significant difference.
Originally by: Semkhet
Instead of simply laughing at noobs (which we all were), why not adapting ? Those who find themselves so good could use ships equivalent to the ones these noobs fly and meet them on a less unbalanced ground.
Oh but blowing up the BSes, HACs and tech 2 ships is so much fun.
Originally by: Semkhet
From a PvP perspective, few things give so much fun like a melee of 30 frigs buzzing around. But I can understand that some peeps aren't interested in that. Specially those who are better at winning on the forums than ingame
Well the average PvP basic is over 40 ships actually.
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Salarakas
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:16:00 -
[142]
It's amazing how a fleet of 30 PvP-noobs can lay down a pile of gank in 0.0.
I went out on July 16th, and it was lots of fun.
The first victim was a Megathron who should've had instas, but instead got
locked down, disrupted and ECM'd, then nibbled to death.
The same thing happened with a series of cruisers, playing cat and mouse,
and sometimes they got unlucky.
Another 'thron had seen us in action and fitted three smartbombs, but thanks
to the tactics that we learned, noone was seriously harmed, and we took out
a 100M ship.
This just goes to show how a bunch of players (who could have been only
a month old each) could take out players with years' experience. And
for only 5M, you get to head out into 0.0 and learn the tactics necessary
to survive out there. Beyond empire, there is no mercy, so having a good
start at surving out there is essential, and that is what I learned
through PvP University (Basic).
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Hugo Strange
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 03:28:00 -
[143]
I took part in the course on the 16th and it was the best fun I've had while playing eve... in a long time. Unless you've taken part and know what your talking about you should keep quiet and try to learn somthing instead of instantly disregarding it cos someone thought of it b4 you. Secondly, whats the point in cutting off a single head (rells)? do you think he's the only capable pilot out there? This course has taught me that you dont need a year+ ingame to be an effective part of a PVP op, and that Bs and T2 isnt the 'I win' button
Why's Granny dressed like a sansha?
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Zarta Blastaphart
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Posted - 2006.07.17 04:15:00 -
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I've been preaching the same concept that Rell's teaches in his course to my corpmates for months, with quite a bit of skeptisism I might add, so decided to take the course today and bribed a couple of corpmates to come along.
I won't say that the "required" reading was that great, in fact, the information imparted by the instructors in the first hour was far more beneficial.
All in all, I found the course to be educational, the instructors knowledgable and competent.
Eight kills that I remember, including two battleships a couple cruisers and, frankly, I don't remember what else. Our losses amounted to four T1 frigates, only because they had the misfortune to be too near a Apoc that warped in and smartbombed them. Unfortunately for him, he was quickly dispatched and podded and our pilots back in action in probably less than 30 minutes in new ships.
My corpmates and I, as well as the majority of our classmates suffered no damage at all during these engagments.
And it was interesting to notice how the systems we visited suddenly became very empty of potential victims, as well as the entertaining "smaktalk" in local.
Kudos to the Caracal pilot that played cat and mouse with us for well over an hour, but for a mere millisecond more you would have been another statistic, instead, once we had you within our grasp you managed to slip away.
So the bottom line is ... it was the best ISK I've ever spent in EVE for anything, it was educational, and a freaking hell of alot of fun! I was sorely disappointed when Rell's announced out time was at an end.
Even if your an experienced PVP pilot, I'd recommend this course just for the pure entertainment value! For those new to the game, or to PVP, it's a great way to get your feet wet, and learn that you really don't need to get into that Battleship "tomorrow".
Train Frigate V, train your learning, enginering, electronics and chosen weapons systems. You'll be a better more deadly foe in the long run for doing so.
Regards
Zarta
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Beowulf Scheafer
Armee der Finsternis
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:53:00 -
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thats some pretty nice thing you do there, grats. getting new players into pvp is a damn hard work, generally teaching noobs is. therefore 5 mil is a nice price. so if you are new to the game, invest thoose 5 mils, even if they know only halfways what they are doing, its definately twice of what a new player knows and something that will help you the rest of your chars life.
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Xtreem
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:21:00 -
[146]
they got me, ahhh, it was good fights, but before i always managed to endge ahead, but this time i pretty much got stomped lolm they changed the tactics so massivly in one evening that it took me by surpise and i was swamped.
Nice ones guys, your getting a hellofa better! keep it up!
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Xtreem
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:23:00 -
[147]
oh and can i come as an advisor :P
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Yorick Downe
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Posted - 2006.07.17 14:10:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Xtreem
oh and can i come as an advisor :P
You can come as a victim anytime .
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:19:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Rells on 17/07/2006 15:20:15
Originally by: Xtreem
oh and can i come as an advisor :P
1) That might be uncomfortable when we open up on 3FA pilots.
2) If you warned them that wouldnt be cool.
3) You do a completely different kind of warfare than we do.
It would be like a bear advising a wolverine on how to fight. No use in that at all. PVP is not all equal, frigate warfare is quite different than BS warfare.
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Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:17:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Cerias Shadows on 17/07/2006 21:17:11
I love listening on Vent even when I cant fly with the pack. It absolutely explodes when they pull off some of the more advanced manuevers that allow the class to literally pick apart over confident gate camps.
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sandshark
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:37:00 -
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Saw u guys in MHC the 16th, I like that you are initiating so many ppl in pvp (u had like 30-ish ppl afaik).
Keep it up!
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Xtreem
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 13:15:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Rells
Edited by: Rells on 17/07/2006 15:20:15
Originally by: Xtreem
oh and can i come as an advisor :P
1) That might be uncomfortable when we open up on 3FA pilots.
2) If you warned them that wouldnt be cool.
3) You do a completely different kind of warfare than we do.
It would be like a bear advising a wolverine on how to fight. No use in that at all. PVP is not all equal, frigate warfare is quite different than BS warfare.
hey im hardly ever in a bs, always in my rax :D :P
but yeah i was more being sarcastic :D
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Ore Monkey
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Posted - 2006.07.18 19:02:00 -
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I tried reading through the thread, but I didnÆt get very far. I donÆt have the time to read through 4 pages of smacktalk.
I just wanted to drop in and give some praise to Rells and what heÆs doing. I took the course a while back, loved it, and then got my brother and good friend to take it later. We all knew squat about PvP. Only that it was much better to be on the giving end of the ownage, rather than the receiving. And ya know what, Rells (and the rest of the Agony fellas) did a hell of a job teaching us what to do. ôLittle stupid tricks you could learn on your own in less time for no where near the cost.ö Right. IÆm sure. Most of this stuff would take a lot of painful, boring and slow trail and error. The stuff IÆve learned in the class on fleet maneuvers, set-ups, tackling, strategies, etc. has stuck with me. And besides, itÆs just damn fun to blow stuff up with frigs.
A lot of people say they want noobs to stop whoring veld in Jita, come join the æreal manÆs EvEÆ, and start PvPing. But Rells is actually doing something about it A lot of people say Rells isnÆt the man to be leading something like this, a lot of people smack his own PvP ability. But Rells is actually out in 0.0 leading fleets of frigates and destroyers up against battleships, tech 2 cruisers, interceptors, and people with millions of SP more than the entire noob fleet combined. Talk is cheap. What Rells and the rest of Agony are doing is to be respected and encouraged. My hats off to ya boys. Thanks for giving me my first Battleship kill.
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