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Shaina
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Posted - 2006.06.27 01:52:00 -
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Dear CCP and fellow players,
I have run out of skills to train. Well, before you laugh, just listen. My character, Shaina here, is aiming to be a master miner and refiner. This is my relevant skill tree:
my Industry tree
I don't have a picture of it, but I also have all the other useful skills - Astrogeology 5, Mining Barge 5, Exhumers 5, Caldari Industrial 5, Spaceship Command 5. I also have Drones 5 and Mining Drone Operation 4.
I'm currently working on slowly getting Transport Ships 5, and then I have to do a bit of work to get my drone skills up.
All told - this is only another two or three months of training before I've totally run out of interesting skills that directly impact my ability to pull down ore and refine it. While I could train all the skills to 5, I don't feel that would be a useful use of my time.
What should I train? Where should I go? I don't have any interest in combat with this account, nor do I have much interest in R&D. That doesn't leave me with very many options except to do something kinda tangential like train up Logistics Cruisers, or Covert Ops. While that might make the character more useful all around, she sits in a station.
The other option I guess is to train all of the Construction skills to enable me to build things faster. That's not so useful though, as it stands I don't use my 10 build slots at any given time in any way shape or form - my organization just isn't big enough to need that much building.
I really want to be an uber miner/refiner. Help me out! What next?
Thanks for your time.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.27 02:21:00 -
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I was gonna make a recommendation for you on some skills you should train. But after having seen your Industry skills, an overwhelming nausea has consumed me...
You carebears make me sick..
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 27/06/2006 03:28:24
i would say covert ops - really nice to have an alt to sneak up on targets with 
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:27:00 -
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Well with those skills and the lack of things to train I say go train up for combat, trust me, you'll like it =)
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Qing Feng
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Posted - 2006.06.27 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Qing Feng on 27/06/2006 03:56:27
I would think that a nice complement to a miner/refiner skillset would be a full trader skillset, esp. since you'll be sitting in a station most of the time.
Turn that time to productive use by setting up buy/sell orders for the surplus stuff that you mine/refine.
PS: Yay more "carebear" skills... Trevedian should be getting an epileptic seizure and going into a coma right about now...
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.06.27 05:42:00 -
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my personal speculation is that the comet miners will be T2 derivations of the racial mining frigates,
so I'd throw frig 5 of your race of choice on there...
navigation and evasive maneuvering?
with frig 5 and evasive maneuvrering... an Interceptor can make a nice belt scout and instajump maker.
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Demitri Klashnikov
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Posted - 2006.06.27 06:44:00 -
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Train your refining skills to 5, that should keep you busy for a year or three
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2006.06.27 07:18:00 -
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Hold your horses, done trainig explain this to me please.
There are 23,808,000 skill points to be had in industry
You have trained 6,376,545 skill points in industry
You are missing a grand total of: 17,431,455
Congratualtions on your very nice looking (chough carebear) skill tree. But you are not done training by a any strech of the imagination.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.06.27 07:56:00 -
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Navigation?
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Qing Feng
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:23:00 -
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I think some of you are missing the part where Shaina says:
"While I could train all the skills to 5, I don't feel that would be a useful use of my time."
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Bjoern
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:32:00 -
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Ummmh lots of skills at 4 not 5 there - vast majority in fact. To be honest if I'm being picky you don't even have Mobile Factory Operations or Mobile Refinery Operations.
My miner/constructor/hauler alt has over 32m skill points and I don't consider him anywhere near maxed at his job yet so unless you're hiding a lot of skills you have a LONG way to go.
If you're genuinely looking for advice look at what you need to fly a transporter in 0.0 or high risk areas - everything from cloaks to shields to navigation skills - or defensive drones for when mining or mass haulage via a freighter. Unfortunately its a bit difficult to give advice without knowing what other skills you have.
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Bjoern
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Qing Feng
I think some of you are missing the part where Shaina says:
"While I could train all the skills to 5, I don't feel that would be a useful use of my time."
Thats a bit pointless in a specialised one trick horse which would lead to the assumption, if true, that their post was just a whine. I'm sure thats not what you were inferring Qing. 
Either they can be a one trick pony and specialise (hence maximising their skills) or broaden their skill base - simple as that. It doesn't take a genius to work out that if you only are willing to train industry and learning you'll have to learn level 5 skills relatively soon. 
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:43:00 -
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How can you be both done with training and considering lvl 5s not worth it.... if you don't have em at lvl 5, you're NOT done. end of story
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:55:00 -
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I noticed that you have left several learning skills at 4. Get them to 5 while considering what to train next.
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Ricka Bronzar
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
How can you be both done with training and considering lvl 5s not worth it.... if you don't have em at lvl 5, you're NOT done. end of story
Not end of story, most of those lvl4's are the specific ore skills. lvl4 is required for tech2 mining crystals however, with as little as lvl3 refining eff and lvl2 ore spec refine you will get 100% refine rate. There is as such no reason for him to get these to lvl5, its a waste of his time.
On topic note though, you should be working on support skills. Drones,Navigation, shield tanking(exhumers are more geared towards this) etc.. My recommendations are..excluding drones your already dealing with those :)
em shield compensation V
explosive shield compensation V
kinetic shield compensation V
thermic shield compensation V
energy management IV / V
shield compensation IV / V
shield emission systems IV / V
shield management V
shield operation V
evasive maneuvering V
navigation V
warp drive operation IV
engineering V
electronics V
mechanic V
connections V (Social skill)- This will help with corp standing and will lower tax rates on refining.
also look at Adv Spaceship command, makes agility higher for quicker warps aligns etc.. a must for any miner
Well there should be a fair few in there which will keep you going for a while.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:34:00 -
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Advanced Spaceship Command only affects capital ships (including Freighters, depending on whether or not you class it as a capital ship).
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ricka Bronzar
Originally by: Gariuys
How can you be both done with training and considering lvl 5s not worth it.... if you don't have em at lvl 5, you're NOT done. end of story
Not end of story, most of those lvl4's are the specific ore skills. lvl4 is required for tech2 mining crystals however, with as little as lvl3 refining eff and lvl2 ore spec refine you will get 100% refine rate. There is as such no reason for him to get these to lvl5, its a waste of his time.
Said by an empire player, no doubt. You are assuming the refinery is a 50% one, which is true in empire, but far more common in 0.0 (esp. for ASCN) the refinery will be a 35% one. In this case, you lose a small amount of ore even at lvl 5 trained. So there is definately a point to getting at least the high end ark/bist/crok etc to lvl 5.
Max 
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niru
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:29:00 -
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How can you be an uber miner in EMPIRE?
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Shaina
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Posted - 2006.06.27 19:18:00 -
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Well, I have about 17.5 million skillpoints. I have thought about going up the Freighter route, but I don't have a billion ISK to spend, and having my own freighter in 0.0 doesn't sound as useful as you might think.
I could start taking those skills to 5, sure, but it just doesn't seem worth the time. I guess that's what I'll have to do.
This thread was definitely part whine - why else would it exist? I was sincere in my hope that CCP might consider folks like me who really want to be great miners, but we're running out of things that we can train for.
I guess my priority list is to finish up my Drone skills, and then look into Leadership skills for getting the boosts to mining. Past that, I'm going to start doing my extra skills - I already have most of the Engineering skills at 5, and I have basic enough ship skills to fly a Caldari frigate for tackling purposes.
But yeah - part whine, part wishful thinking.
That's about that.
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Shoele Lialos
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:35:00 -
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It's a little bit of radical thinking, but why not just declare that character "finished" and start another one for a different purpose on the same account?
The downside to this, is you have learning skills trained already, and probably a good many of the Engineering, Electronics, and Nav skills too.
The upside is that maybe if you made a character to focus on Trading or Leadership for instance, you could start with a nice high Charisma.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.06.27 22:16:00 -
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How about the navigation skills so you can move your miners around faster/more efficiently.
How about the electronics/engineering skills so your char is over all more efficient.
how about all the ships skills, so you have more versatility.
Worst come to worst, start at the top of the skill tree's and work your way down.
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Leia Lusso
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Posted - 2006.06.28 00:40:00 -
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How about learn mining foreman and the advanced mining foreman leadership skills?
and also the other basic leadership skills to enhance the survivability of ya mining groups
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BlackAdderII
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Posted - 2006.06.28 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
I was gonna make a recommendation for you on some skills you should train. But after having seen your Industry skills, an overwhelming nausea has consumed me...
You carebears make me sick..
Well i see its Lets Post on forums day at camp STUPID!
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Brutor Citizen 624
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Posted - 2006.06.28 05:17:00 -
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how about social skills so the NPC standing takes less of your minerals?
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:09:00 -
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Try this.
Train up for a cov ops, head to NOL-M9 and do ninja mining. You'll get a thrill.
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Elodie Belanger
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:43:00 -
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I would say, max out your learning skills and then start finishing the high-end refining skills to level 5.
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Tizi
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Posted - 2006.06.28 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tizi on 28/06/2006 15:22:33
Edited by: Tizi on 28/06/2006 15:21:57
Originally by: Shaina
I really want to be an uber miner/refiner. Help me out! What next?
If you really want to be uber you have to train everything to 5. Saying you are out of skills when you haven't done so is a whine.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.06.28 17:01:00 -
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Do trade/Manufature skills, also those others to 5.
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Shaina
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Posted - 2006.06.28 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tizi
If you really want to be uber you have to train everything to 5. Saying you are out of skills when you haven't done so is a whine.
Geeze, I see the average intelligence of the forums hasn't gone up any while I was out. I already said this thread is half whine a few posts up. 
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scabbsssjr
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Posted - 2006.06.28 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ralitge boyter
Hold your horses, done trainig explain this to me please.
There are 23,808,000 skill points to be had in industry
You have trained 6,376,545 skill points in industry
You are missing a grand total of: 17,431,455
Congratualtions on your very nice looking (chough carebear) skill tree. But you are not done training by a any strech of the imagination.
I think I know why. All the ore specaliztion skills have a 4x multiplier. They only give you a 5% better yeild. Is it really worth all that time just for a 5% better yeild? I don't think so. In a sense of use fullness it is basically done.
I would go for trade skills.
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