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Yukiko Kanezaki
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Posted - 2006.06.27 07:55:00 -
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When i read the forums, I see the term "Carebear" used, in a derogatory way, to discribe people who engage in non-combat activities.
Why do people think that this is an insult to the person they are talking to? First of all, some of you may not know what a "Carebear" really is, so allow me to help. Care bears (Two words) are little bears from the land of Care-a-lot. There are 19 care bears in total, each with its own name. To name a few; Do-Your-Best bear, Love-a-lot Bear, Share Bear and Tenderheart bear.
Know, I know what your thinking, "This is the perfect term to discribe people who don't like combat! What are you talking about?!". Now, this would be true, except that... The bears fight evil with beams of like shot out of their chests. Lets look at the keywords here, FIGHT EVIL - BEAMS OF LIGHT SHOT OUT OF THEIR CHESTS.
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the highest, this ranks an astonishing 67 on the bad (something that rhymes with "Ash") scale. To give you some perspective, Chuch norris only managed to reach 43.
This concludes my Carebear PSA.
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ASF Markov
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Posted - 2006.06.27 07:56:00 -
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GAH, Wrong forum, was meant for General Disc, not EVE General Disc.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:00:00 -
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It doesn't people who don't like combat.
It describes people who want the game mechanics changed to protect them from any non-consensual aspect of Eve.
That is what seperates them from normal peace loving players. Carebears do not understand that safety is not a right, it is something that they have to work at.
Carebears think game mechanics should replace personal responsibility.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:01:00 -
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"carebear" is sometimes considered derogatory term cause, while it is used to describe non-pvpers, most of those non-pvpers are associated with cowardice and selfishness.
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Yoshito Sanders
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:03:00 -
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Sorry, the Carebears and their Care Bear Stare ranks a -67 on the badass scale.
Now, if people went around calling people who didn't like to fight "Optimus Primes" then you'd have a point.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Brisi on 27/06/2006 08:07:18
 Originally by: Avon
It doesn't people who don't like combat.
It describes people who want the game mechanics changed to protect them from any non-consensual aspect of Eve.
That is what seperates them from normal peace loving players. Carebears do not understand that safety is not a right, it is something that they have to work at.
Carebears think game mechanics should replace personal responsibility.
While Avon is right in who the term 'should' be used against, the lines have been washed away over the the course of the past years. Now people use 'carebear' as a general insult towards everyone who doesn't like PvP in particular.
Think of it as 'newbie,' that went from being a description purely intended as describing a new player, someone who was learning the game. Now turned into 'noob', or even 'n00b', it is an insult that people yell at each other all the time. Even if the person in question is nowhere near being new.
Edit: Spelling 
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Crumplecorn
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:10:00 -
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I don't remember a 'Do Your Best Bear'. 
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PeopleDamager
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:13:00 -
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What happened to the Care-for-your-hair-bear
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Quineverre
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:18:00 -
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Being one of them "safe" space flyers I do get the term at times. Funny enough usually from people who take pride in blowing up newbies and ganging up on solo flyers with a gang of 10. Neither seem to be very skillfull or brave to me.
Those players who seem to be more established and good at the whole pvp thing usually just frown upon me hanging around in "safe".
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:24:00 -
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Some people seem to forget this is a 'game' people play in their spare time for recreational fun
The majority of those shortsighted people who see eve as a 2nd life and not the spare time recreational fun it is to most people... think you should base your time here suffering the same tribulations and pitfalls you would find in real life.... basicaly they go around name calling with the word 'carebear' because of their own insecure nature's.
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Caleb Paine
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:30:00 -
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It's an easy word to shout for people who lack the brains to come up with something of their own and also lack self esteem, needing the ego boost by calling someone else names and then point and laugh...
Noob, carebear, loser, LOLZ and all those type of words are generally used by people with high insecurity, seeking anonymity and safety in a group, frantically pointing fingers at others and hoping they won't be the next 'victim' of attention.
That kinda sums it up.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:34:00 -
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Carebear predates Eve and its always changing meaning. Its a favorite word to insert your favorite negative trait into. For example im not sure that in the 3 year life of eve carebear has always refered to someone that wants a rules change. But avon above and someone below him are sure thats the meaning! If fact the guy supporting Avon is sure that carebear has always refered to someone that wants a rules change but now some how seems to be changing meaning~ But thats all it ever does is change meanings to garner support for a trait a PvPr doesnt like~
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Mikal Drey
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:36:00 -
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hey hey
I used to be a Proud Carebear; i respected the game mechanics and rarely took part in any PvP. But /signed and /totally agree
Carebears got nasty. . They believe that the game should fully protect them and no risk Vs 100% reward etc.. they seem to also seem to tbe the biggest whiners on the forums too.
remember when pirate was derogatory and they were the hated ones.
I think n00b is in good fun when used against your mates and while Carebear is slowly becomming a naughty word some people still see the fun of it.
Chuck Norris was a n00b; Jackie Chan would kick his ass
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Qahlan
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey
I used to be a Proud Carebear; i respected the game mechanics and rarely took part in any PvP. But /signed and /totally agree
Carebears got nasty. . They believe that the game should fully protect them and no risk Vs 100% reward etc.. they seem to also seem to tbe the biggest whiners on the forums too.
remember when pirate was derogatory and they were the hated ones.
I think n00b is in good fun when used against your mates and while Carebear is slowly becomming a naughty word some people still see the fun of it.
Chuck Norris was a n00b; Jackie Chan would kick his ass
If carebear indeed means whining over gamemechanics its not a term specific for those who dont pvp. I seen my fair share of pvp-ers who think the game should give them more options to shoot at other players. They whine and nagg just as bad.
If the word means safe space dweller who doesnt shoot or want to shoot at other players than the suggestion of nagging and whining has to go cause not all safe space dwellers act like that.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:45:00 -
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a lot of recent agnst from PVPers has been aimed at the macro miners who now use giant sec cans to mine in .5 to .8 space who cant be touched. (other than smartbombing apocs) and those players that change corps etc to avoid combat.
Its a constant hassle with eve and constant battle - factional warfare will blur the lines a bit more tho.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/06/2006 09:13:47
Originally by: Avon
It doesn't people who don't like combat.
It describes people who want the game mechanics changed to protect them from any non-consensual aspect of Eve.
That is what seperates them from normal peace loving players. Carebears do not understand that safety is not a right, it is something that they have to work at.
Carebears think game mechanics should replace personal responsibility.
QFT.
There are two uses of carebear: Avon has described the derogatory one.
The other use of carebear (as a non-PvPer) is usually obvious when it is used: and its usually kidding around, too.
Originally by: Galk
Some people seem to forget this is a 'game' people play in their spare time for recreational fun
Yes, those people are called carebears. They spend hours a day whining about a game because the mechanics don't suit them.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:20:00 -
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I think the people i was talking about when using the terms such as insecure... and expanding on that with those that treat it more than a game shine in threads like these.
I descibed it much in the same term as the op...
Without beating about the bush.. it is derogatory name calling.
There are ways in which we can express our views on subjects about the game here on the forums.. or indeed in the game without resorting to derogatory name calling with general insulting terms such as 'carebear' 'noob' or 'whinners'
When people are viewed as 'carebears'... it's often the person thats saying that with the problem..
By the normal definition of what is a carebear amoung certain people...
That would make me guilty as charged
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:26:00 -
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Carebear (original): someone who does not engage in combat.
Carebear (derogatory): someone who thinks the rules should be that what they do is safe from attack. This includes people who think that because they don't want to fight, nobody should be allowed to fight them. It *also* includes people who think they should be allowed to gank everyone passing by a gate with nothing to stop them, or that newbie systems should be 0.0 so they can blast apart Ibises. It's not limited to non-combatants.
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Active1313
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
I don't remember a 'Do Your Best Bear'.
Well from a bit of bored research it would appear that Do-Your-Best-Bear is not one of the OG Care Bears....Sadly I knew that already as that particular bear is not featured in any of the old school cartoons that my dughter loves to watch....
so here are the OG Care Bears.....Bedtime Bear, Birthday Bear, Cheer Bear, Friend Bear, Funshine Bear, Good Luck Bear, Grumpy Bear, Love-A-Lot Bear, Tenderheart Bear and Wish Bear. Later on, additional bears joined them, as well as the Cousins.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:34:00 -
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The name calling came from the early PvP'ers (most of them griefers who have long quit the game) who could not believe there were ppl playing this game who did not want to fight... They thought that to be blasphemy, and took it upon themselves to make it a spiteful derogatory name.
Guess what, 3 years later there are more ppl who don't PvP than there are those that do, like I said would be the case...
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:39:00 -
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Far too often industrialists are known as carebears.
I'm not a carebear, I do like PvP, but not all the time. I live in 0.0, I mine, I rat, I complex, I do my bit of running the POS, I'll put the odd build job on, I'll manage some BPCs for production etc etc. But it's shooting people in the face I look forward to, that's the memorable stuff. Generally I go to empire to do my shopping and am much happier when I'm back in 0.0 (where I know how things work).
To me a carebear is someone who restricts themselves from 70% of the game because they can't deal with the risks.
I don't hate carebears, but I do have a strong dislike for mission runners. But that's only because they drive the prices up on faction ships and items, and make decent money. I do think they're missing out on most of the game though. But it's their choice and their loss.
I do side with the 'carebears' as far as empire ganking is concerned. Using disposable alts to kill miners for their strip miners, or being able to steal from a can but not shoot it, or throwing an insured BS away to gank a BPO just shouldn't be happening in empire. But then again I think that a very hardcore nerf of icebelts is long overdue. That level 4 agents should be on the frontier of the factions space, that production and research facilities in 0.5 and above are far too cheap.
Sure, let people live in empire risk free, but cut their rewards to shreds please, so the rest of us that are playing the game aren't competing with people who aren't.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
It doesn't people who don't like combat.
It describes people who want the game mechanics changed to protect them from any non-consensual aspect of Eve.
That is what seperates them from normal peace loving players. Carebears do not understand that safety is not a right, it is something that they have to work at.
Carebears think game mechanics should replace personal responsibility.
That is definetely the derogatory use, and probably most common.
On the other hand, it is used joking around as just meaning engaging in PvE or PvR (as in "I'm going carebearing for a few days to get enough ISK for my carrier")
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:45:00 -
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I don't think Carebear is a derogatory term. It just means people who don't liek combat. I'm a carebear and yes, we do shoot beams of light from our ships. At roids.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Yukiko Kanezaki
To name a few; Do-Your-Best bear, Love-a-lot Bear, Share Bear and Tenderheart bear.
This made me laugh so hard i spilled my coffee. 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:55:00 -
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Given the discussion of who the original carebears were, I looked that this.
Can anyone with a drink honestly say that didn't end up over their keyboard after reading about America Cares Bear
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Given the discussion of who the original carebears were, I looked that this.
Can anyone with a drink honestly say that didn't end up over their keyboard after reading about America Cares Bear
There's nothing I can really say here without being racist. Other than I laughed at it.
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Taniya
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:05:00 -
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When I was a 2 week old noob I found my self alone in 0.0 space without bookmarks in a frig. On my way back to high sec I found some NPC rats around the gate. I could not reach the gate because of them.
I asked for help in local and a self proclaimed Care Bear came and shot the NPC's. That was my first encounter with a Care Bear.
So for me a Care bear is closer to the Original Care Bears. People that go around doing good and helping others but more than capable of standing their ground if needed.
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Crumplecorn
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:08:00 -
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This thread has taken a strange strange twist.
I only wish I needed wikipedia to tell me the names of the bears. Or what they looked like. Or sounded like. Or the plots of certain episodes.
I guess some things just stay with you <shudder>
Anyhow, I sure wish my 'carebear' character in eve could 'fight evil by shooting beams of light from his chest'.
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Ceril
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:09:00 -
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Aaa, running into a group of carebears, looting the bee's honey from forest one in the shire, ignoring the pesky stings or having a momma bear with a flysmacker.
Then you appear and they all run for their cave :(
One thing to keep in mind here is that since you provoked them they are angry cavebears and come out of their cave to protect their honey in bs sized costumes.
So, dont provoke the carebears they might turn into angry and lethal cavebears.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:13:00 -
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Sheesh and for a minute or so there I thought I was being a carebear, by sitting in a safe empire station, and not undocking at all cause of a crappy computer I own.
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