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voodoo
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:26:00 -
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without carebears this game would be nothing. I love carebears and what they bring to the game. Im pretty sure everyone ingame has carebeared at 1 x or another.
come back come back
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Phillis Stein
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:49:00 -
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To me a Carebear is someone, normally in .0 Space that mines or npcs to make their millions but when Hostiles jump in they always say " Im a miner, not a PvPer"
They want the Isk without the Risk. The excuse is that they have no PvP skills but as we all know, a few days wil see them in a scrambling frig.
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Cairo Skerr
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:57:00 -
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I find Carebear offensive.
I ripped the nuts off the last person that called me a carebear and fed them to my dog. He didn't do that again.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:58:00 -
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So who are the Carebear Cousins
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locus 777
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:03:00 -
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EVE is to often considered a PVPers game, and derision heaped on the 'carebear.' This is especially so in 0.0. Mentalities of many Knuckle Draggers (PVPers) is very negative to the role and conditions required for carebears to flourish.
I've known enough carebears in my time, who've been the backbone of many a corp and alliance. With the recent changes to EVE mechanics, any corp/alliance without a strong industry is doomed. Lets see you build fleets of Capital Ships 
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Retar Jore
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:56:00 -
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Thankyou for the imformation about Carebears IRL.
I don't think I've ever learnt anything as useless.
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Rex Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:07:00 -
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Once at a fancy dress party, I violated a carebear in a toilet. That's what carebears are for :D So I guess I can never see it in gaming terms without having a different 'perspective' and spilling my coffee too :o
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:17:00 -
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I consider myself a carebear, i mine, i rat and dont venture into low sec unless i have business there, i avoip pvp when i can. But i dont agree with being called a coward because i dont like the idea of constant risk and lurking death, i WILL engage anyone that messes with my corp mates and my assets.
But hey, i suppose its human nature to feel superior to those that dont agree with you. 
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:21:00 -
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I care for bears 
recently they had to shoot one in my country
poor teddy 
 Originally by: Oveur
This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:44:00 -
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I also consider myself a Carebear and I am proud of it. 
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/06/2006 09:13:47
Originally by: Avon
It doesn't people who don't like combat.
It describes people who want the game mechanics changed to protect them from any non-consensual aspect of Eve.
That is what seperates them from normal peace loving players. Carebears do not understand that safety is not a right, it is something that they have to work at.
Carebears think game mechanics should replace personal responsibility.
QFT.
There are two uses of carebear: Avon has described the derogatory one.
The other use of carebear (as a non-PvPer) is usually obvious when it is used: and its usually kidding around, too.
Originally by: Galk
Some people seem to forget this is a 'game' people play in their spare time for recreational fun
Yes, those people are called carebears. They spend hours a day whining about a game because the mechanics don't suit them.
As an extension to that lots of people refer to their Carebear alts, meaning industry/mining/mission running alts. People also say things like "I am going carebearing". In this case carebear means anything thats not shooting someone else :P
So yeah, its not always derogatory.
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Melkor Bloodaxe
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:37:00 -
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I take care of your pod after destroying your ship. Am I a carebear too?
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Given the discussion of who the original carebears were, I looked that this.
Can anyone with a drink honestly say that didn't end up over their keyboard after reading about America Cares Bear
I see a new alt corp in the making!
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:52:00 -
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The carebears people say they hate are those who complain when patently allowed things in the game are complained about. They don't want to play the game, they want the game to change to suit them. They're not interested in teamwork, just playing in the sandbox by themselves.
There are plenty of respectable industrialists and miners who don't think this way. We are not complaining about these people.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.27 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 27/06/2006 15:28:47
Originally by: James Duar
The carebears people say they hate are those who complain when patently allowed things in the game are complained about. They don't want to play the game, they want the game to change to suit them. They're not interested in teamwork, just playing in the sandbox by themselves.
There are plenty of respectable industrialists and miners who don't think this way. We are not complaining about these people.
So what are you saying then james, you wish the game changed to exclude people who don't play it in the manner you wish.... (because they wish to play in the sandbox by themselfs)
Those same people your complaining about (in your own words) are only playing the game in the manner they wish within the patently allowed rules.
Which apprantly is ok and fine with you, so why are you complaining.
The mind boggles
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2006.06.27 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 27/06/2006 16:37:45
A few weeks ago a Guy from a pvp corp happened across some of our 'Carebears' having a big mining op. Since we were at war and he saw some easy kills of some mining barges in the making he charged.
And blew up.
Those light drones do sting when they number in the doesens don't they? 
I like to consider myself a Carebear. But, lets just say that just becasue you dont particularly like combat does not mean you cant take care of yourself when you have to.
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Nicocat
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:36:00 -
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I don't pod after breaking up a .4 mining op composed of frigs.
I care! Really!
Seriously, I mission-ran for the first month and a half of my EVE experience. I have no room to talk. I think my mining lasers may have even graced Veldspar. For like... a few seconds, maybe, but it happened!
Oh, and about the America Cares bear, I need more coffee now.
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-Alexi
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:39:00 -
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While people yell at the "carebears" for not pvping, note that gatecamps, random 20 against 1 ganks, and highsec suiciding is not (in my opinion) pvp. Those issues are the ones the "carebears" have a problem with. Fix at least one of them and you'll hear alot less crying.
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Braveheart Bear
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:42:00 -
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Care bear (original): someone who does not engage in combat.
This is not true, itÆs not that Care bears donÆt engage in combat it that they try every other option first. Care bears believe that Violence is the last resort. Grifer Bears take the typically militarist aspect of Kill it first and if it moves after Kill it again. Care Bears take the scientific approach of Wait donÆt hurt it let us study it first to see what we can learn.
To me a carebear is someone who restricts themselves from 70% of the game because they can't deal with the risks.
This is completely false. 90% of EVE does not deal with the Grifer Bear approach of shoot first then shoot again. Care Bears are the ones playing the full 99% of EVE. The Play the 90% that does not involve killing and they Play the 9% that involves killing other players. (They donÆt pod [1%] because it servers no honorable purpose)
The name calling came from the early PvP'ers (most of them griefers who have long quit the game) who could not believe there were ppl playing this game who did not want to fight... They thought that to be blasphemy, and took it upon themselves to make it a spiteful derogatory name.
This was not exactly true, the name calling was not because the players did not want to fight it was because they wanted the grifers to have Risk Vrs reward. Back then there was no risk for a grifer to go into a starter area in a BS and kill starter ships, lvl1 frigs and Indys. Because the players dared to not accept that they were there to be grifed they were labeled Care Bears. Now to put this into perspective the same Grifer Bears also believed that it was ok for them as lvl 90 Barbys to jump into a new player Diablo 2 game and go hostile on lvl 12s and that if the lvl 12 complained they were Care Bears.
Guess what, 3 years later there are more ppl who don't PvP than there are those that do, like I said would be the case...
There have always been more Care Bears then Greifer Bears in all games; this is because of what a Care Bear really is:
Care Bear are not afraid of fighting, they accept that they are killers but live by the credo ôYes we are killers but we will not kill todayö
Care Bears do not believe in exploiting the game, thus while they will happily destroy any war targets (The PVP originally intended at Beta) they would never gate camp and destroy random targets. (No the current grifeing and gate camping was never intended but because a lot of the GMs were old PKers and because CCP was to lazy to finish the game or add content they allowed it, reasoning that it would take players minds off the fact that all the items such as reverse engineering, player based structures (actually everything that was promised at gold) was missing)
Care Bears believe in true Risk Vrs Reward for every one. Care Bears do not want to change the game except to balance it so that there is true risk. (A Prat gate camping and killing indys is not at risk and the reward is way out of balance)
Care Bears believe that a goal that is achieved by working is and honorable goal and the only one of value.
On the other hand Grifer Bears want a free lunch, they do not want to work for anything but instead are constantly crying to change the game to benefit them.
Whaa, the indies are getting through the gate to fast change it so I have time to grief them. (You donÆt expect me to actually work for my kills by hunting down ppl)
Whaa, there are to many ways into low sec space, funnel all the players to me so I can just sit there and get kills.
Whaa, they are warping away remove the warp stabs. (You donÆt expect me to have to chase them down, thatÆs too much trouble)
Unfortunately the whines of the Prtats/Grifer Bears fell on sympathetic ears mainly because in CCPs mind itÆs easer to set fire to distract customers of a restaurant to cover for nasty food and bad service than it is too cook tasty food and hire good waiters (read this as non PK biased GMs)
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Nicocat
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Braveheart Bear
Care Bears believe that a goal that is achieved by working is and honorable goal and the only one of value.
Lots of words from the only original care bear that wasn't really a bear, iirc...
As for an honorable, valuable goal, PvP has its own honor code and reward system, just not if you're a **** about it. Myself, I hunt down lone targets of equal size as myself (read: Feroxes), or multiple smaller targets to do battle with. I jump into fights with weaker targets with the intent of scaring them away, because that's just too much fun and nobody gets hurt. Nothing like seeing the Cormies flee... well, except seeing them stay to try and fight
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-Alexi
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.06.27 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
"carebear" is sometimes considered derogatory term cause, while it is used to describe non-pvpers, most of those non-pvpers are associated with cowardice and selfishness.
Unlike pirates...
I make cool banners for ISK.
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CaosSpinner
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Posted - 2006.06.27 18:12:00 -
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Nicocat Caldari arggg we are twins...
You do relize that by only scaring them not killing them just for fun makes you a care bear.
OH I used to have a corp 3 years ago called the Care Bear Alliance, but stopped playing, because at that time I was at "End Game". I'm back for Kali and EVE the content we were promised at gold.
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.06.27 18:18:00 -
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In my opinion a carebear is someone who wants the game mechanics changed to fit their style of play, rather then adapting to a situation.
I may advocate a change because I believe it will improve mine and other peoples enjoyment of the game. But, I will always adapt to the current state of mechanics instead of shutting myself off from that portion of the game.
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Nicocat
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Posted - 2006.06.27 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: CaosSpinner
Nicocat Caldari arggg we are twins...
You do relize that by only scaring them not killing them just for fun makes you a care bear.
OH I used to have a corp 3 years ago called the Care Bear Alliance, but stopped playing, because at that time I was at "End Game". I'm back for Kali and EVE the content we were promised at gold.
But scaring them is half the fun. It's fun to watch a bunch of Cormies or a trio of cruisers go "Argh, a 2.5 month old Cyclone! WTF RUN!" I know very well a trio of cruisers could probably take my newb ass down, but they don't It's when they decide to fight back that things get more fun, and that's the encounter I actually look for.
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-Alexi
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Wrayth Osu
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion
In my opinion a carebear is someone who wants the game mechanics changed to fit their style of play, rather then adapting to a situation.
The only reason that you and the others who've stated the same is that you've seen what you consider "carebears", advocating changes that are against your style of play. Which is no different then "pirates" whining and crying for changes to fit your style of play (No WCS, NO BMs, No local, Etc) "rather than adapting to a situation."
ANY word in ANY language can be turned into a derogitory, even offensive word when used in a derogatory way enough. For example, there is a word that to the British means (or used to mean) "a bundle of sticks", but in America, it is considered a very offensive word to describe someone of a alternative sexual preferance.
All that aside, I've always considered a "carebear" in EVE, to be a player who prefers the aspects of play aside from PvP, like mining, or production, etc.
As such I consider myself a carebear, my in game title is "Carebear Extrodinaire" and contrary to what most people have expressed in here:
- I live in 0.0, I prefer it to empire, so I'm definitly NOT afraid of it.
- I do engage in PvP (even though I suck at it)
- I do NOT endorse changing the game to "suit my style of play"
- BUT I am opposed to changes that "suit the pirate sytle of play"
Have a nice day
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Tarron Sarek
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Posted - 2006.06.27 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 27/06/2006 22:24:36
Galk and Caleb Paine, nice posts. Quite some truth in there.
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they seem to also seem to tbe the biggest whiners on the forums too.
Hm, that's not true. Ever seen a 'bad boy' complain - like when he gets a taste of the other end of the food chain for the first time ?
Most players are cool just as long as they're on top and not on the receiving side.
But then it shifts from loudmouthed to extreme whiny.
Apart from that, imho many 0.0 players are just as much or even more carebears, seeking protection of the group to mine and rat in peace. Not a big difference really.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 22:52:00 -
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My name is Aea and I'm a proud carebear. The whole piracy thing, is after all just stress- relief.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.06.27 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Demangel on 27/06/2006 23:53:15
WTF? Edited for double postage.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Gretek Lal
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Posted - 2006.06.27 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gretek Lal on 27/06/2006 23:55:45
Originally by: Galk
Some people seem to forget this is a 'game' people play in their spare time for recreational fun
The majority of those shortsighted people who see eve as a 2nd life and not the spare time recreational fun it is to most people... think you should base your time here suffering the same tribulations and pitfalls you would find in real life.... basicaly they go around name calling with the word 'carebear' because of their own insecure nature's.
What he said!
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.06.27 23:53:00 -
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TBH the term Carebear is supposed to only apply to players who are generaly no better than griefers, except they operate at the oposite end of the spectrum.
Instead of looking to make everyone miserable by breaking rules or spamming or doing whatever else a griefer is famous for in a game... They "unintentionaly" make everyone miserable by holding tireless vocal debates on what is "GOOD" for a game, and demand everyone count thier opinion... Forgetting that having an opinion doesn't magically bestow upon them the right to have thier opinion actually matter any more than mine or yours does... They often go hand in hand with the "We're paying customers" crowd. Which time and time again has threatened to somehow boycott EVE and cause it to collapse... Yet it's never happened.
They assume that because PVP players tend to appear to be in the miniority in a game, that thier own point of view must surely be the majority. Forgetting there is a vast number of fence sitters, moderates, and otherwise disinterested people out there who could care less how the PVP system works so long as the game is fun.
They are extremists and most often in a very classical sense, and are very good at stirring up angry threads, but these are often very misinformed, inexperienced, and usualy too wrapped up in thier own viewpoints to be real discussions, but rather venting sessions or flame bait topics.
They refuse to accept that thier could be an alternative, and that it just may be that a less consentual game will lead to greater freedom, AND security.
Case and point would be 0.0, most alliance players would agree that 0.0 space is often much safer than empire ever could be... Because out there peolpe are actively seeking to protect you, and you actively seek to protect them. While this means fights are more common, they are also far less random in nature, and you usualy have scouts keeping a real eye out for trouble. If hostiles show up, people who are "In the mood" for PVP stay logged in, and fit a combat ship and engage in what ammounts really to "Consentual" PVP because if they arn't in the mood for PVP they can just log off, or take a risk in staying active, but stearing clear of dangerous places.
This doesn't mean that peaceful players don't have valid arguments from time to time, nor does it mean that the way 0.0 works is "Best."
But in a game like EVE where player versus player is one of the main driving forces behind everything people do in this game, be it directly or indirectly, removing this pillar of how the game functions would IMHO topple it more assuredly than if every carebear real or imagined quits eve overnight.
Overal, this is by no means a complete analysis of what a true carebear is... Because it's far to easy to confuse a newb or a peaceful industrialist with a carebear, but in truth a carebear is not a peaceful person, even calling them a coward would IMHO be incomplete if not downright wrong... No A care bear is essentialy a bitter arrogent imature and intolerant child... No better than thier arch nemisis the Griefer... Except Carebears generaly use bigger words and are more likely to debate semantics and spelling and grammar rather than issues or points, and will often be the first to cast insults, and be the first to be offended when someone takes a shot in retaliation.
Peaceful player = OK!
PVP'er = OK
Griefer = BAD
Carebear = BAD
Peaceful player = PVP'er.
Carebear = Griefer in plush doll clothing.
The end.
PS I feel I must say that most PVP'ers I play with are honorable and fine people, and players as well.
The sad part is:
Griefers are part of the PVP crowd.
Just as carebears are part of the pacifist crowd.
PVP players and pacifists want risk/reward, they want balance and immersive sensible game mechanics that encourage fair play.
Griefers don't want that.
Carebears seek to dismantle every PVP facet of a game because they dislike it.
So in closing, don't mistake a PVP'er for a griefer either.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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