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bohda	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:17:00 - [1] Then why do we see so many threads saying that CCP can't/won't? I'm not really one to come on to the forums and complain, to be honest I'm an infrequent forum poster but I do read the forums regularly and see the massive amount of threads complaining that nothing has been done about cheating in game. Whilst bored at work today I happened acroos the following news snippet: Quote: Warcraft closes down game cheats More than 30,000 player accounts have been closed in the online game World of Warcraft, for alleged cheating. The game's developers, Blizzard, said that many of the account holders had been using third-party programs to farm gold and other items in the game. Players had been selling the virtual items for profit in the real world. Square-Enix, the makers of Final Fantasy XI, said they have also suspended more than 250 accounts for similar offences. Source: BBC Technology News Now this is the second time I've seen something about WoW and tackling cheats, if memory serves me right they have code embeded in their clientside software which detects and inspects any 3rd party software running on a players' computer. I believe that they have a list of programmes you can use for example TS and instead use the "snooper" to find macro's etc. I'm aware that the article says "alleged cheating" but in a case like this, if a 3rd party programme was detected running in the background, I'd say the burden of proof is on the user to prove it's not a contravention of the EULA. So if there is a technical way we can cut down, detter or down right stop players who don't feel the EULA applies to them, is there a way CCP can implement this? But more importantly, if it effectively works as spyware on our machines but cut's down abuse of the game we all love so much, do we, the players, want it? Despite being an absolute nut about computer security I'd agree to let CCP run such a programme on my machine if it did the game some good and they were completely open about what they were putting in place even if they didn't say how it worked (we wouldn't want someone coming up with a counter measure). *Oderint Dum Metuant*
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:29:00 - [2] Well the sad truth .. apart from a few banning early in the game (as far as I can remember being mentioned in the forum), the only thing after that CCP have done is to make sure that atleast Macrominers and iskfarmers have to PAY CCP for their account. That was their "Big" change ... Also they make a number about NOT posting about it because it is a matter between the banned account and CCP (wich is okey btw but still they can mention if they have banned a large number of accounts). ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:41:00 - [3] CCP just does not have the manpower... Blizzard makes a hell of a lot more money than CCP, and this is one of the things they can do with that money, CCP simply can't afford it, so the game suffers... Wait until the China server is up and running, Tranq will get even less attention... And why CCP is so secretive when it comes to cheaters is beyond me, they should post all the cheaters names and alts names as well... Need to start banning & calling out these bastards... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Bhaal Blizzard makes a hell of a lot more money than CCP, and this is one of the things they can do with that money, CCP simply can't afford it, so the game suffers... Wait until the China server is up and running, then CCP will finally be able to afford more manpower to the banning of cheaters on TQ. Fixed. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Sensor Error	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Bhaal Wait until the China server is up and running, Tranq will get even less attention... NO IT WON'T. GAH. CCP arn't running the China server, some company in China is paying CCP for the rights to run the server, apart from the initial setup and content patches, CCP won't have anything to DO with the sodding China server... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Dev Responses to common questions
bohda	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Bhaal Blizzard makes a hell of a lot more money than CCP, and this is one of the things they can do with that money, CCP simply can't afford it, so the game suffers... Wait until the China server is up and running, then CCP will finally be able to afford more manpower to the banning of cheaters on TQ. Fixed. I think I prefer your version! *Oderint Dum Metuant*
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:49:00 - [7] Edited by: Bhaal on 27/06/2006 17:49:47 Originally by: Sensor Error Originally by: Bhaal Wait until the China server is up and running, Tranq will get even less attention... NO IT WON'T. GAH. CCP arn't running the China server, some company in China is paying CCP for the rights to run the server, apart from the initial setup and content patches, CCP won't have anything to DO with the sodding China server... What makes you guys think that CCP won't need to spend that income running support for the China server? You think this company who bought the license will be able to handle everything? They will have similar problems to what Tranq has, only x10 more players... I won't hold my breath... Will CCP also have the guts to ban 10,000 out of 130,000 accounts? Most likely accounts that spend serious cash on GTC's? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:00:00 - [8] hey hey, ive found a couple of nice little quiet systems to mine. Both had a sudden influx of macroers. Both were reported ingame under exploit. both sets of macroers vanished and i havent seen them again. Has anyone considere that CCP just havent been public about who they have banned and how many ?
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Bhaal on 27/06/2006 18:04:31 Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey, ive found a couple of nice little quiet systems to mine. Both had a sudden influx of macroers. Both were reported ingame under exploit. both sets of macroers vanished and i havent seen them again. Has anyone considere that CCP just havent been public about who they have banned and how many ? Yes we have thought about it, and why wouldn't they? Why not name the offenders to make sure they NEVER come back? What's wrong with keeping the playerbase up to date? Why is CCP so secretive on any disciplinary action taken? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Tachy	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:11:00 - [10] Because that would be against their own rules? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Tachy Because that would be against their own rules? Rules to protect who exactly? Why would this be a rule? Do we hide criminals faces from the public in RL? Why hide them here? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Bhaal CCP just does not have the manpower... Blizzard makes a hell of a lot more money than CCP, and this is one of the things they can do with that money, CCP simply can't afford it, so the game suffers... Wait until the China server is up and running, Tranq will get even less attention... And why CCP is so secretive when it comes to cheaters is beyond me, they should post all the cheaters names and alts names as well... Need to start banning & calling out these bastards... It's hard to tell if you're really that ignorant, or just baiting. You can't just 'post' information about heaters, that opens a legal can of worms unlike anything you can comprehend. The china server is run by a different staff, altho if it hasnt drilled into your thick skull by now, it never will. Ratio-wise, blizzard banning a few thousand accounts is like CCP banning a few hundred. CCP doesn't have the GM staff to ban thousands at a time.

Cathath	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:18:00 - [13] Here is CCP's policy on Suspension and Banning, the relevant section for the questions here is 13.5. One point to make is there is an appeals process available for game bans. If someone had been banned, appealed, had the appeal granted and started playing again, and had also been listed as banned it wouldn't be very fair to them.

Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Bhaal CCP just does not have the manpower... Blizzard makes a hell of a lot more money than CCP, and this is one of the things they can do with that money, CCP simply can't afford it, so the game suffers... Wait until the China server is up and running, Tranq will get even less attention... And why CCP is so secretive when it comes to cheaters is beyond me, they should post all the cheaters names and alts names as well... Need to start banning & calling out these bastards... It's hard to tell if you're really that ignorant, or just baiting. You can't just 'post' information about heaters, that opens a legal can of worms unlike anything you can comprehend. The china server is run by a different staff, altho if it hasnt drilled into your thick skull by now, it never will. Ratio-wise, blizzard banning a few thousand accounts is like CCP banning a few hundred. CCP doesn't have the GM staff to ban thousands at a time. How is posting character names of ppl who violated the EULA illegal? WTF? On the China server, we'll see... We were told EVE would never be shared, look what happend... We'll see... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Cathath Here is CCP's policy on Suspension and Banning, the relevant section for the questions here is 13.5. One point to make is there is an appeals process available for game bans. If someone had been banned, appealed, had the appeal granted and started playing again, and had also been listed as banned it wouldn't be very fair to them. So, don't name and shame until after the appeals process... Subscribers want to see results, not closed doors... Many players think nothing is being done... If there is, how the hell would we ever find out? The iron curtain is very damn thick... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:34:00 - [16] actually in RL lots of offenders have names and faces excluded. No names etc can be published in the news untill the case is closed and the offender is found guilty etc. As well as not all crimes being public domain. No crime committed automaticly gets your name published ito the public either.
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:34:00 - [17] actually in RL lots of offenders have names and faces excluded. No names etc can be published in the news untill the case is closed and the offender is found guilty etc. As well as not all crimes being public domain. No crime committed automaticly gets your name published ito the public either.
Kylania	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:38:00 - [18] Just because there isn't a BBC article about EVE game bans, doesn't mean no one gets banned. We just don't need to know when someone gets banned. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| Visual Building Guide (Both work in game too!)
bohda	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Kylania Just because there isn't a BBC article about EVE game bans, doesn't mean no one gets banned. We just don't need to know when someone gets banned. I realise that but wouldn't you like to know that there was progress being made? But anyway back to my origional question, would you support the use of a programme to detect 3rd party programmes on your machine whilst you're playing? *Oderint Dum Metuant*
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Kylania Just because there isn't a BBC article about EVE game bans, doesn't mean no one gets banned. We just don't need to know when someone gets banned. Why not? Why do we not need to know that CCP is taking care of the problem so many players petition? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:44:00 - [21] Originally by: bohda Originally by: Kylania Just because there isn't a BBC article about EVE game bans, doesn't mean no one gets banned. We just don't need to know when someone gets banned. I realise that but wouldn't you like to know that there was progress being made? But anyway back to my origional question, would you support the use of a programme to detect 3rd party programmes on your machine whilst you're playing? Yes. This will have to become standard on all future MMO's. ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:47:00 - [22] I don't know about you guys, but the day that CCP has software monitoring what I have running in the background on my computer is the day I cancel my subscription. It's not a tin foil hat thing, it's the simple reason that most of those programs take months to get right, and in the mean time, people can't use certain hardware/software that is completely legit, becuase their software says it is bad. Any of you remember how many WoW users were banned becuase the "security" software Blizzard instituted said so many people were useing "bad" software. I don't want to have my account banned becuase some piece of software says the Macro I use in a winamp plugin is against the EULA. Brotherhood of Light. Small Corp, Big Fun. Wanna join?

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:17:00 - [23] Our goal is not to shard EVE, but there has never been a definate no to that ever happening. If it can be avoided, then it will be. However, that is not the topic for this thread, so please move on. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads Knowledge Base - Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions

Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:21:00 - [24] 30,000 for them is like 840 for us... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Hllaxiu 30,000 for them is like 840 for us... I'd venture to guess Blizzard runs a tighter ship, and the percentage of farmers/ISK sellers in EVE is much greater... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Tachy	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:30:00 - [26] Put those you're 100% sure to break the rules AND you petitioned onto your friends list and check how long they last. Don't forget to bring proof when you're petitioning them. You don't need to know the pilot names at all. When they're banned for a bigger reason than first time name calling in local, they're gone. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
AmSo Happy	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:38:00 - [27] I think you are forgetting that Blizzard has 6.000.000+ subscribers and a 30.000 bans is what? 0.5% of the population in all. Personally I think CCP bans about the same number of people in percentages(0.5%) as I have seen macroers disappear after being petitioned. They at least seem more proactive than in the previous MMO I played(FFXI) where the GMs actually banned the legit players over the botters.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:48:00 - [28] Macros are rare these days, the problem is ISK farming. 99.9% are from China. Pull china from TQ and you solve much of the farming. They have a server closed off from us...it's not like it's hurting them. As to CCP's manpower, it takes no time for a GM to hop into macrointel for a few minutes.
SGXiphias	Posted - 2006.06.27 20:09:00 - [29] Edited by: SGXiphias on 27/06/2006 20:09:44 yeah its interesting, i have reported an entire corporation of 4 players with a total of 30 accounts for macromining and using exploits to mine in 0.0. All they have to do is pop in a polaris frigs and its obvious when the NPC's are 500Km away from the belt and whole corp is strip mining the belts. It is killing the economy and CCP does nothing about it. Hell i had a private convo with there CEO, and he admitted to me he was using exploits and the GM's still didnt ban him.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.06.27 20:57:00 - [30] Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 27/06/2006 20:57:10 Originally by: bohda Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Bhaal Blizzard makes a hell of a lot more money than CCP, and this is one of the things they can do with that money, CCP simply can't afford it, so the game suffers... Wait until the China server is up and running, then CCP will finally be able to afford more manpower to the banning of cheaters on TQ. Fixed. I think I prefer your version! qft btw die wow die ! join col ! now

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