Looks neat, but can you please also prevent brackets from moving with Camera Shake? I have been advising oldies and newbies alike to disable Camera Shake for years because it makes it impossible to click brackets while landing or getting hit by missiles, preventing us from selecting the right thing quickly and possibly getting us killed or missing a kill.

We are capping the list at 15 items in both modes, which reflects the pre-existing cap on the bracket listing. To raise this number carries with it some concerns regarding performance and we donGÇÖt believe there is a strong case for a higher number as things stand. The balance of feedback was against scrolling in the bounded mode and this again factors in the decision to cap the number at a manageable set of items.

Now that this has been done, we will look at improving the experience with tooltips in later releases. In that regard we are looking at configuring tooltip behavior by category, which we think would allow for you to tune how tooltips display based on the relevance of the information to you.

Just a note, Camera shake is annoying, so is the slight motion that the screen still ahs even with camera shake turned off.

why do we still have a slight rolling motion ? are we in space submarines that are being moved by tides?

Now that this has been done, we will look at improving the experience with tooltips in later releases. In that regard we are looking at configuring tooltip behavior by category, which we think would allow for you to tune how tooltips display based on the relevance of the information to you.

Please explain how this is a performance concern. The client already has the information (name, distance, etc.) of the objects, it's just a matter of displaying it in a new spot.

Hmm, maybe I read that wrong, are you saying that building the list requires something other than O(n) complexity for the picking, prior to ordering?

No, not really. Just making the point that the higher the cap the more likely it is to not reach the cap and therefore check every object in the scene before it stops iterating. As I say, then there is the cost in displaying the information which of course is changing in real time, together with the fact that the cursor is likely moving a lot - which means there will be a lot of tear down and reconstruct going on. It all adds up.

In any event, it's one factor contributing to our judgement as to what works in terms of this feature. It's worth noting that the picking is quite a bit more conservative now so the field of brackets has to be pretty dense and the camera zoomed out some way to get a full list. Which, again, I'd have to say takes it into the overview's territory.

We will keep an eye on things but as I indicated in the blog, we're pretty happy with where it is and will be looking at tooltips proper again as part of our next work

These options should include ways that make me able to completely delay certain types of tips, that really are not required with experienced players.

The gist of why it is a performance concern is that regardless of most information being primed for display, there is still an expense when constructing the bracket list as the picking logic has to iterate over the objects in the scene to confirm whether or not they intersect with the bracket that is at the 'pick point', so to speak. The longer the list to be constructed, the more times the loop has to be iterated to determine whether an object's bracket should be added to the list.

This is a bigger concern the more objects are actually in the scene, which seems to be the use case in question.

In short, the bracket list, by its nature, is not doing quite the same thing as the overview (the obvious other object list to compare it with), and the overview is of course doing its work as well. I am not the UI programmer here and I am giving a rough explanation. But it is based on what programmers tell me and I trust their experience and judgement.

I'll also note that display of UI elements is not free. It's not 'just a matter of displaying it'. Not all information to be displayed in the constructed list is necessarily primed in the exact format to be used. There are always expenses involved and these will necessarily mount up the more display items there are.

Best judgement on our part is that the balance of performance, useful display and typical use cases for the bracket list is still in the 15 item range.

I personally think going much beyond that would call for some deeper design work and likely some optimization deep dives too. We're not addressing that at the moment given that the overview is still the go-to interface element for managing information on large numbers of objects.

Thanks.

As the in-space brackets are a completely different feature to tooltips per se, we have been concentrating initially on improving this key part of the UI. Now that this has been done, we will look at improving the experience with tooltips in later releases.

What is much more "game breaking" is when you are leading a bomber squad and 200 km off you a 30 man hostile frigate fleet just killed someone and their wreck is there providing you a perfect warp in for your bombers, but since the 30 frigates are all clustered up on the wreck I am not able to get the wreck to show up on the bracket list and warp my squad. Therefore as I finally either get the wreck to show up after enough zooming or forced to probe the frigates it is too late and the frigates got away. :(

FINALLY !!!

After countless mentions of this, the idea has finally sunk in.

ItGÇÖs only been 2 months since this disaster started, letGÇÖs see if we can get this done by Xmas (2014 preferably).

So how is this coming along ?

Or is it true to past form and just a throwaway line to keep people happy while it slowly slides into a black hole never to be seen again ?

more than a month silent, and still there are issues that have been raised by your customers.

WTB: job where i can ignore my customers for months at a time, and still get paid...

As per other CCP screwups....

Bring Crap in, half-fix some issues, leave the rest and hope everyone forgets about it