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Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:31:00 -
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In a recent expansion WH mining sites were switched to become anomalies, which means they can be warped into without scan probes.
The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.
Whats your opinions on this? Should they keep them as is - screw the risk averse - or should they restore them as signatures where constant d-scanning for probes can keep you safe (unless theyve pre-probed). New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4064
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:44:00 -
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Drop drag bubbles at every probable incoming vector and make a bookmark to avoid them yourself? Then if they try to drop on you they're far out of scram range. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
631
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:46:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Drop drag bubbles at every probable incoming vector and make a bookmark to avoid them yourself? Then if they try to drop on you they're far out of scram range.
Until they learn to scout in a cloaky?
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5462
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:50:00 -
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Anything that affects someone personally and makes it so they have to actually think always ends up being called a stupid idea.
Happens all the time. High, low, null, wormhole, FW...whatever. Everyone's a whiner when it's their game being affected. But as always, the smart ones will adapt and the entitled will go elsewhere.
I guess that's my long winded way of saying HTFU.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4064
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:54:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Drop drag bubbles at every probable incoming vector and make a bookmark to avoid them yourself? Then if they try to drop on you they're far out of scram range. Until they learn to scout in a cloaky? Nothing exploity about dropping a can or three in the bubble as long as they're not dozens to lag the other one out. You only need a blip as a warning and warp out. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Iyokus Patrouette
No Vacancies
163
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Posted - 2014.07.09 22:02:00 -
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So you'll drop a drag bubble and cans once a day to account for the opening and closing of new wormholes?
honestly the problem is more that wormhole ore sites aren't worth the risk. . they just clutter my scanner.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
237
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Posted - 2014.07.09 22:10:00 -
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All belts in all areas of space should be moved to signatures, and done in a way that people probing for other things don't have to see their signatures at all. Kind of like the Predator's way of seeing things. In one version of the solar system overview mining stuff is filtered out right at the start without having to even deploy probes. Can switch through various views. Maybe give the mining probing its own look, more like a heat overlay visual on the system that gradually tightens up until you get a warpable hit. Some sigs will be a normal big ole belt, smaller ones a small cluster or even a singular massive roid.
Make miners have to search for their roids. Give botters a harder time. Allow miners warning from probes on scan.
Then make the actual act of mining more active and interesting... somehow. |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
30
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Posted - 2014.07.10 03:43:00 -
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I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back. The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety. Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.07.10 04:24:00 -
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They were better before the change. |
Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium
70
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Posted - 2014.07.10 09:15:00 -
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Seeing how most roid fields in C2 and above span 200km anyone caught at zero warp in, in a field needs to be killed... no deserves to be killed.
Also - Scouts, L2Close open holes, Siggy connections AND MOAR SCOUTS.
Oh and don't forget to boost inside your POS :P
The Prospect makes this a non-thing anyways.
''Holy snarks Space Cadet - Combat probes on scan!'' *presses cloak* = profit |
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Sodabro
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
466
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Posted - 2014.07.10 09:51:00 -
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but then nobody will go to them because magnets |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
240
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Posted - 2014.07.10 09:59:00 -
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Yes, without a doubt they should be returned to scannable signatures. Giving hunters the advantage of being able to warp to ore sites without any effort is massively imbalanced to a point where people simply don't mine anymore. It's fine in K-space where the miner has local to help assess threats but not in wormhole space. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
537
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Posted - 2014.07.10 13:03:00 -
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+1 to bringing back Gravi sigs. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6068
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Posted - 2014.07.10 13:08:00 -
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Dally Lama wrote: The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.
No, they dont and no they havent
Any that have stopped because of this have no idea how WHs actually work "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
652
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Posted - 2014.07.10 13:17:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back. The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety. Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious. I dont know that much about WH but I always herd that once you roll a wh another opens? Is that not correct? I do listen to a couple of WH podcast and this subject has come up several times.
Is rolling a hole different for each class of WH?
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
652
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Posted - 2014.07.10 13:17:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back. The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety. Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious. I dont know that much about WH but I always herd that once you roll a wh another opens? Is that not correct? I do listen to a couple of WH podcast and this subject has come up several times.
Is rolling a hole different for each class of WH?
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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
State War Academy Caldari State
652
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Posted - 2014.07.10 13:17:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back. The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety. Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious. I dont know that much about WH but I always herd that once you roll a wh another opens? Is that not correct? I do listen to a couple of WH podcast and this subject has come up several times.
Is rolling a hole different for each class of WH?
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
731
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Posted - 2014.07.10 14:46:00 -
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I was against mining anoms from the start. They should have stayed sigs imo. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2354
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Posted - 2014.07.10 15:09:00 -
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I haven't mined in WH but belts don't need probes and neither should mining anoms. These two things are more or less the same in my mind, in terms of exposure. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
241
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Posted - 2014.07.10 15:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Dally Lama wrote: The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.
No, they dont and no they havent Any that have stopped because of this have no idea how WHs actually work
Do you live in wormhole space?
Any experienced wormholer who knows how wormholes work would not make such a baseless and bold statement. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6079
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Posted - 2014.07.10 16:03:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Dally Lama wrote: The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.
No, they dont and no they havent Any that have stopped because of this have no idea how WHs actually work Do you live in wormhole space? Any experienced wormholer who knows how wormholes work would not make such a baseless and bold statement.
What, that its entirely possible to mine more safely in a WH than in Highsec?
I think any experienced wormholer (sic) knows this, its hardly baseless "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
292
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Posted - 2014.07.10 17:54:00 -
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There's a reason not to mine in WH and that because you have haul that ore out for refining but Crius should fix that little issue. Also sucking gas takes as much time but is vastly more profitable then slugging ore about. |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
86
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Posted - 2014.07.10 17:59:00 -
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There is a remove local lesson here somewhere |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
241
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Posted - 2014.07.11 07:54:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Dally Lama wrote: The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.
No, they dont and no they havent Any that have stopped because of this have no idea how WHs actually work Do you live in wormhole space? Any experienced wormholer who knows how wormholes work would not make such a baseless and bold statement. What, that its entirely possible to mine more safely in a WH than in Highsec? I think any experienced wormholer (sic) knows this, its hardly baseless
Okay i take it that you don't live in wormhole space and therefore, don't know what you are talking about.
Wormholes are the most dangerous place to mine and no amount bubbles or reducing the mass of your static can stop someone rolling into your system and immediately warping to your ore site.
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
229
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Posted - 2014.07.11 11:27:00 -
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I agree. I think every warpable object should be probed down in WH space. That way WH space will stay a truly different enviroment. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6130
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:53:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:
Okay i take it that you don't live in wormhole space and therefore, don't know what you are talking about.
Wormholes are the most dangerous place to mine and no amount bubbles or reducing the mass of your static can stop someone rolling into your system and immediately warping to your ore site.
lol Ive lived in WHs many times as it happens
Just because YOU dont know how to do it, doesnt mean its not possible
So I advise you to stop being ignorant and educate yourself, fool "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
244
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:07:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:
Okay i take it that you don't live in wormhole space and therefore, don't know what you are talking about.
Wormholes are the most dangerous place to mine and no amount bubbles or reducing the mass of your static can stop someone rolling into your system and immediately warping to your ore site.
lol Ive lived in WHs many times as it happens Just because YOU dont know how to do it, doesnt mean its not possible So I advise you to stop being ignorant and educate yourself, fool
Clearly you are a very experienced and knowledgeable player and my three years in wormhole space counts for nothing in comparison to your eve career. If you could do us all the honor of explaining in what way "wormholes are safer to mine in the high sec", I'm sure everyone will be extremely grateful.
You didn't provide a suitable argument that discounted what i said but that's okay, you are almost certainly are a very busy person so naturally, you don't have to provide facts or examples in your posts. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6140
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:19:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote: Clearly you are a very experienced and knowledgeable player and my three years in wormhole space counts for nothing in comparison to your eve career.
Thats EXACTLY what I was thinking when you started arguing about this
Quinn Corvez wrote:You didn't provide a suitable argument that discounted what i said
I didnt have to. You are wrong.
Im not about to teach you how to play the game. I told you, go, find out for yourself before you start making blanket statements that anyone can disprove with the smallest piece of research.
I might have considered helping you if you weren't such a rude jerk. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
244
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:50:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote: Clearly you are a very experienced and knowledgeable player and my three years in wormhole space counts for nothing in comparison to your eve career.
Thats EXACTLY what I was thinking when you started arguing about this Quinn Corvez wrote:You didn't provide a suitable argument that discounted what i said I didnt have to. You are wrong. Im not about to teach you how to play the game. I told you, go, find out for yourself before you start making blanket statements that anyone can disprove with the smallest piece of research. I might have considered helping you if you weren't such a rude jerk.
So basically i'm wrong because you say so...
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1175
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:52:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote: Clearly you are a very experienced and knowledgeable player and my three years in wormhole space counts for nothing in comparison to your eve career.
Thats EXACTLY what I was thinking when you started arguing about this Quinn Corvez wrote:You didn't provide a suitable argument that discounted what i said I didnt have to. You are wrong. Im not about to teach you how to play the game. I told you, go, find out for yourself before you start making blanket statements that anyone can disprove with the smallest piece of research. I might have considered helping you if you weren't such a rude jerk. So basically i'm wrong because you say so... No, you're wrong because you're wrong. Ramona just kindly stopped by to point it out. |
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