Drop drag bubbles at every probable incoming vector and make a bookmark to avoid them yourself? Then if they try to drop on you they're far out of scram range.

Until they learn to scout in a cloaky?

The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.

I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back.
The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety.
Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious.

I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back.
The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety.
Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious.

I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back.
The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety.
Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious.

No, they dont and no they havent

Any that have stopped because of this have no idea how WHs actually work

Do you live in wormhole space?

Any experienced wormholer who knows how wormholes work would not make such a baseless and bold statement.

What, that its entirely possible to mine more safely in a WH than in Highsec?

I think any experienced wormholer (sic) knows this, its hardly baseless

Okay i take it that you don't live in wormhole space and therefore, don't know what you are talking about.

Wormholes are the most dangerous place to mine and no amount bubbles or reducing the mass of your static can stop someone rolling into your system and immediately warping to your ore site.

lol Ive lived in WHs many times as it happens

Just because YOU dont know how to do it, doesnt mean its not possible

So I advise you to stop being ignorant and educate yourself, fool

Clearly you are a very experienced and knowledgeable player and my three years in wormhole space counts for nothing in comparison to your eve career.

You didn't provide a suitable argument that discounted what i said

Thats EXACTLY what I was thinking when you started arguing about this



I didnt have to. You are wrong.

Im not about to teach you how to play the game. I told you, go, find out for yourself before you start making blanket statements that anyone can disprove with the smallest piece of research.

I might have considered helping you if you weren't such a rude jerk.

So basically i'm wrong because you say so...

No, you're wrong because you're wrong. Ramona just kindly stopped by to point it out.

In High Sec you cannot close the gates.

You cannot guard the gates

You cannot bubble the gates

You cannot place a drag bubble filled with cans between you and the gate

You are ALWAYS on local in High Sec, and so cloaking or docking doesnt make you vanish

The belts are very small in High Sec

You also cannot do another, rather important thing that you can do in a WH to prevent your system being invaded.

But apparently, that thing is something that a three-year WHer doesnt need to know and hasnt found out in that time.

You can't stop someone entering your wormhole forever

Look i don't want to get into an argument i just wanted you to backup your claims about wormholes being safer to mine in than highsec but if you can't do that, that's fine. Let's just forget you said what you said and move on.

I explained the main reasons why WHs are safer than High Sec, and you discarded them without thought.

Again I'll say, you clearly dont know THE single most important thing about living in a WH, and considering how rude and quirte frankly awful you are being, I dont really have a good reason to tell you what it is because then you might avoid being killed.

So Ill tell you what, you enjoy living in a WH not doing anything because you are scared of bad men coming in.

Ill just keep on having my slaves farm them like they have done up till now.

LOL without thought? I responded to every point you made!

At the endo of the day, most people in the wormhole community agree that ore sites should be changed, even the wormhole csm rep, so i don't really care what you have to say on the matter.

Clearly you are a very experienced and knowledgeable player and my three years in wormhole space counts for nothing in comparison to your eve career. If you could do us all the honor of explaining in what way "wormholes are safer to mine in the high sec", I'm sure everyone will be extremely grateful.

You didn't provide a suitable argument that discounted what i said but that's okay, you are almost certainly are a very busy person so naturally, you don't have to provide facts or examples in your posts.

Your replies seem to be limited to "you don't know no WHs, man" and "ur baseless and ignorant". Maybe you can type up an argument with.. you know.. actual sentences about mechanics and WH experiences instead of calling names?

For all the rational and intelligent people reading this thread, Ramonas claim that wormhole are safer to mine in than highsec is not true. Wormholes don't have local chat, and when you throw a cloaky nullified T3 in the mix, the miner will often never see the hunter coming and although they can do things to mitigate the risks, they can never stop a new hostile wormhole spawning in the system they are mining in.

As a hunter all you need to do is jump through the wormhole, warp to the ore site and kill the miner... The question is, is it too easy for the hunter and should they have to combat scan the miner so that the interaction is well balanced for both the hunter and the hunted.

I'm not the one resorting to lies and eluding to some supper secret method of making wormholes completely safe to win my arguments.

I only bring up my experience to illustrate that I do in fact know what I'm talking about.

If you claim to know something that proves me wrong and you right, I think you would say it but as you refuse to share this information, I can only assume that you are being untruthful. I could be wrong and I'm okay with being wrong but I don't see why I should accept your arguments without evidence.

For all the rational and intelligent people reading this thread, Ramonas claim that wormhole are safer to mine in than highsec is not true. Wormholes don't have local chat, and when you throw a cloaky nullified T3 in the mix, the miner will often never see the hunter coming and although they can do things to mitigate the risks, they can never stop a new hostile wormhole spawning in the system they are mining in.

As a hunter all you need to do is jump through the wormhole, warp to the ore site and kill the miner... The question is, is it too easy for the hunter and should they have to combat scan the miner so that the interaction is well balanced for both the hunter and the hunted.

Okay i take it that you don't live in wormhole space and therefore, don't know what you are talking about.

Wormholes are the most dangerous place to mine and no amount bubbles or reducing the mass of your static can stop someone rolling into your system and immediately warping to your ore site.

Whatever happened to the days when corps would send attack ships to guard their miners during mining operations?

Nothing exploity about dropping a can or three in the bubble as long as they're not dozens to lag the other one out. You only need a blip as a warning and warp out.

In a recent expansion WH mining sites were switched to become anomalies, which means they can be warped into without scan probes.

The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.

Whats your opinions on this? Should they keep them as is - screw the risk averse - or should they restore them as signatures where constant d-scanning for probes can keep you safe (unless theyve pre-probed).

I dont know that much about WH but I always herd that once you roll a wh another opens? Is that not correct? I do listen to a couple of WH podcast and this subject has come up several times.

Is rolling a hole different for each class of WH?

You assume, incorrectly, that the 10 or so seconds it takes a good prober to find you will somehow make things safer.

It won't.

But wouldn't probes show up on dscan and allow a warpout for anyone paying attention?