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Benilopax	Posted - 2006.06.30 00:23:00 - [1] EveTV, Kali1, 130000 subs, Band of Bloggers, New servers, PVP tournaments. Will this be the time us vets look back at the good old days? With trinity on the way and factional warfare as well as new careers and much more... Has beta finally come to an end? Or are we the beta of EVE China? (Makes us pioneers which I think helps my proclamation.) Can it get worse, or can it get better? Will we loose customer service as we grow? Tell me, is this the golden age of EVE? ------------------------------ Benilopax touched by an Avon!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.30 00:32:00 - [2] Originally by: Benilopax Tell me, is this the golden age of EVE? No, too many new people coming in at once and they all want to change EO into UO. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Verone	Posted - 2006.06.30 00:40:00 - [3] VETO RECRUITMENT
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2006.06.30 00:40:00 - [4] i agree, during my two years ive never been so excited to see more new eve online stuff as i am now. There seems to be a million things happening all at once, wee! ______________ Pod from above.
Tobias Sjodin	Posted - 2006.06.30 01:04:00 - [5] I love EVE. And I hope the new people that come in; adapt, and overcome. Not whine "NURF!!" so much it affects the DEV's.
mrg29	Posted - 2006.06.30 02:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Benilopax Tell me, is this the golden age of EVE? No, too many new people coming in at once and they all want to change EO into UO. judging by the tone of threads in the last few days it looks more like the want to change it to "The Sims in Space" -
Kadrush	Posted - 2006.06.30 02:27:00 - [7] evetv? link plz
Wega Noir	Posted - 2006.06.30 02:47:00 - [8] Also considering that fleet warfare is still a cluster of lag, highlighting ônew serversö as a huge change is faulty when the #1 problem with this game, fleet battle lag, persists to this day. All of this effort by CCP, all these new features, and at the end of the day, or this year, we will still have unplayable fleet battle lagà
Madcap Magician	Posted - 2006.06.30 04:24:00 - [9] My personal Eve golden age was probably two years ago, before subscription or "players online at one time" seemed to be the hottest frontpage news. There was true political intrigue, a billion ISK was a drooling lot of money, and an uber blob was 40 people. The only "grind" was moving from Obe to Gehi. A battleship meant something. Too many people afraid to lose too much and doing too much whining about it now, imo. I applaud CCP for their work, but I've just slowly seen the game drift from the universe it was when I began so many months ago. I still play to this day in homage to those early days; they were that good. Come and get some!
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2006.06.30 04:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Verone A very informative and well thought out post. But I disagree with the points you made on numbers 3 and 6. The implentation of nudist colonies would be a cool idea though. =============================================== *If you don't want me to complain about WCS then don't complain when I gank you with a 5 man fleet just so I have enough points on
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.06.30 05:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Kadrush evetv? link plz Linkage Google is your friend.
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.06.30 05:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Kadrush evetv? link plz Linkage Google is your friend. And see the stickies at the top of the forum
Leno	Posted - 2006.06.30 06:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Madcap Magician My personal Eve golden age was probably two years ago, before subscription or "players online at one time" seemed to be the hottest frontpage news. There was true political intrigue, a billion ISK was a drooling lot of money, and an uber blob was 40 people. The only "grind" was moving from Obe to Gehi. A battleship meant something. Too many people afraid to lose too much and doing too much whining about it now, imo. I applaud CCP for their work, but I've just slowly seen the game drift from the universe it was when I began so many months ago. I still play to this day in homage to those early days; they were that good. I agree with madcap, the game now is good, but when there were fewer people it was better --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
KHEN	Posted - 2006.06.30 07:44:00 - [14] I'll consider EVE in golden age when the 1 Million active accounts mark will be reached
SengH	Posted - 2006.06.30 07:48:00 - [15] I miss the time when I clicked undock and it was instantaneous... rather than the stupid bar we have now and then staring at a black screen for a bit longer.
Novarei	Posted - 2006.06.30 07:52:00 - [16] I miss everything before alliances became official. --------------------
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.06.30 07:58:00 - [17] I played the beta from day one to the day it went live. And I didn't go live with it. For alot of reasons. But I watched. And when I was ready eve was here and she was ready for me. I came back last october and haven't regretted it yet. Yes, fleet battles still suck. And it's really sad because they could be so damn cool. But that is a limitation of computers. You can only do so much at once. This game in IMO is STELLAR in every possible way. CCP has done a great job forging a great game. There are limits, and stuff still isn't perfect, but they are trying hard, and thats more than just about any other game can say for itself. And they are doing so, without charging us for updates, and without putting in server wait ques. And without simply limiting the number of people allowed in a system at any given time. Even though doing so would save them alot of petitions and complaining. And when it's POSSIBLE, they will do what it takes to get the computers needed to let us put 400 ships in 250km of space and fire at will. And on that gloriuos day, then eve will be in it's golden age. I almost wet myself just thinking about it. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.06.30 08:24:00 - [18] the golden age isnt a "looking forward to all the new things in excitement" its "looking over whats already here and being excited ;p" ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.06.30 08:33:00 - [19] nah. I look back to the great northern war (Not the BoB one). etc.. When people in EvE came together for a common goal. Still dont know what it was, but thats the sort of thing I'll remember. Also the Events like the Theft of the gallente Dreadnaught by the serpentis.
Lefevre	Posted - 2006.06.30 08:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Madcap Magician My personal Eve golden age was probably two years ago, before subscription or "players online at one time" seemed to be the hottest frontpage news. There was true political intrigue, a billion ISK was a drooling lot of money, and an uber blob was 40 people. The only "grind" was moving from Obe to Gehi. A battleship meant something. Too many people afraid to lose too much and doing too much whining about it now, imo. I applaud CCP for their work, but I've just slowly seen the game drift from the universe it was when I began so many months ago. I still play to this day in homage to those early days; they were that good. Couldn't agree more.. you just described exactly what I feel about Eve. I still dream of Eve once again being like this but I guess thats an era that will never return.
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.06.30 08:41:00 - [21] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd nah. I look back to the great northern war (Not the BoB one). etc.. When people in EvE came together for a common goal. Still dont know what it was, but thats the sort of thing I'll remember. Also the Events like the Theft of the gallente Dreadnaught by the serpentis. I fought in that war and I still, to this day have no idea why. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.30 09:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Leno I agree with madcap, the game now is good, but when there were fewer people it was better Working on that.... Seriously, people feel its easier to whine for changes than to learn how to avoid getting killed. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2006.06.30 09:16:00 - [23] The golden age of EvE happened over 2 years ago, it was much more fun before the game went mainstream and got mutated to suit the masses. --------------- Havocide - Old School For Old Fools F-E Forum // RKK Forum
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.30 09:18:00 - [24] Originally by: DirtyHarry The golden age of EvE happened over 2 years ago, it was much more fun before the game went mainstream and got mutated to suit the masses. Havent the core principles stayed the same during these years? --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Moghydin	Posted - 2006.06.30 09:22:00 - [25] I think we are past the Gold Age. If we compare Eve to The Roman Empire, we're at times of Hadrian approximately. Everything looks great and flourishing, but 1-st little symptoms of decay and demise are starting to appear.
Waut	Posted - 2006.06.30 09:42:00 - [26] Whats this Eve everyone is talking about? You mean these forums are based on a game or something? In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU <-- Future God Emperor of EvE
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.06.30 09:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Benilopax Band of Bloggers, Band of Bloggers? whats that then? --------------------- Sig to come soonish.
phi norm	Posted - 2006.06.30 09:55:00 - [28] Death means little anymoreààthatÆs where the issue lies. Wallets are huge, jump clones are plentiful, insurance pays out too muchà..your ability to actually hurt your opponent is gradually being reduced. The rules that protect the innocent (new players in empire) should not protect the prospectors or pirates Risk v reward thatÆs what itÆs all about isnÆt it???? I read so a couple of years ago and it felt like it. Where is the risk now? Insurance payouts limited by security status of area and actions. Get concorded û no payout 0.0no payout (sliding scale for other security regions) War dec on someone û lose your insurance rights (your going to war, who in there right mind would insure your ships) û people declared upon keep insurance for a week. Jump clones û fine keep the ability to move across the galaxy, never cut the time, oh yes implants move with you when you jump. Remove 10/10 complexes û now being farmed for isk. Or some how move there location and spawn times (just doesnÆt make sense that these guys wake up every day at the same time and take a pasting, IÆd have moved by now). Sound harsh? It is out there in the wild west of the galaxyààor at least it use to be.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.06.30 10:14:00 - [29] good times at the moment lots of promise but non combat stuff beign neglected corp tools anyone - UI anyone lol
Moghydin	Posted - 2006.06.30 10:24:00 - [30] As was mentioned just above, non-combat staff is starting to be a really big problem in game. Industry is all but closed for the newcomers. Prices for T2 BPOs are insane and cut off everyone outside of the "club". Some T2 BPOs aren't for sale at all and are held by monsterous organizations which are closed to everyone except of the "chosen few". It all leads to the situation where Eve has less depth for the new ppl. Interesting statistics would be to compare the average staying time in Eve like 2 years ago and now. I suspect that this time is actually getting shorter, as with developing their chars, new ppl understand that some aapects of the game are out of their reach forever.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.06.30 10:27:00 - [31] Well CCP have stated specific focus on careers or focus areas and more specific specilisation are a focus with mroe than 10 years worth of skills and rising now. Some level 5 stuff will be dropped to 4 and some skills trained up no doubt as time goes on but it can only become a bigger issue with time.
Kidd Chaos	Posted - 2006.06.30 11:21:00 - [32] Edited by: Kidd Chaos on 30/06/2006 11:21:08 Originally by: Moghydin As was mentioned just above, non-combat staff is starting to be a really big problem in game. Industry is all but closed for the newcomers. Prices for T2 BPOs are insane and cut off everyone outside of the "club". Some T2 BPOs aren't for sale at all and are held by monsterous organizations which are closed to everyone except of the "chosen few". It all leads to the situation where Eve has less depth for the new ppl. Interesting statistics would be to compare the average staying time in Eve like 2 years ago and now. I suspect that this time is actually getting shorter, as with developing their chars, new ppl understand that some aapects of the game are out of their reach forever. Im new, am I naive to think that if I stick with this game for a couple of years I cannot be part of a "chosen few"? Mebe there will be things in this game I can never achieve but I think this game is setup so that anyone who dedicates themself car eventually reach the highest goals. This is my golden age of eve and I will look back at these times fondly.
Saelek	Posted - 2006.06.30 11:27:00 - [33] So do we get a pop growth bonus and a rp one 2?
Moghydin	Posted - 2006.06.30 11:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Kidd Chaos Edited by: Kidd Chaos on 30/06/2006 11:21:08 Originally by: Moghydin As was mentioned just above, non-combat staff is starting to be a really big problem in game. Industry is all but closed for the newcomers. Prices for T2 BPOs are insane and cut off everyone outside of the "club". Some T2 BPOs aren't for sale at all and are held by monsterous organizations which are closed to everyone except of the "chosen few". It all leads to the situation where Eve has less depth for the new ppl. Interesting statistics would be to compare the average staying time in Eve like 2 years ago and now. I suspect that this time is actually getting shorter, as with developing their chars, new ppl understand that some aapects of the game are out of their reach forever. Im new, am I naive to think that if I stick with this game for a couple of years I cannot be part of a "chosen few"? Mebe there will be things in this game I can never achieve but I think this game is setup so that anyone who dedicates themself car eventually reach the highest goals. This is my golden age of eve and I will look back at these times fondly. Yes, unfortunately, you're quite naive at this If you stick for a couple of years, they'll be in game for 5 years, with probably trillions of ISK in their wallets. High-end industrial staff will probably cost hundreds of billions. And for top PvP and political entities you'll still be a n00b. Sorry, but it's true.
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.06.30 15:15:00 - [35] Originally by: Kidd Chaos Edited by: Kidd Chaos on 30/06/2006 11:21:08 Originally by: Moghydin As was mentioned just above, non-combat staff is starting to be a really big problem in game. Industry is all but closed for the newcomers. Prices for T2 BPOs are insane and cut off everyone outside of the "club". Some T2 BPOs aren't for sale at all and are held by monsterous organizations which are closed to everyone except of the "chosen few". It all leads to the situation where Eve has less depth for the new ppl. Interesting statistics would be to compare the average staying time in Eve like 2 years ago and now. I suspect that this time is actually getting shorter, as with developing their chars, new ppl understand that some aapects of the game are out of their reach forever. Im new, am I naive to think that if I stick with this game for a couple of years I cannot be part of a "chosen few"? Mebe there will be things in this game I can never achieve but I think this game is setup so that anyone who dedicates themself car eventually reach the highest goals. This is my golden age of eve and I will look back at these times fondly. Many people like to complain that they started too late and they will never catch up. And while this is bascily true, it's also wrong. I started 8 months ago. And I'm PVPing with the best of them. I fly AF's Dictors and intys and I am on the kill mails right next to a player thats been in for 3 years. And we just got done killing a guy that had been in for 3 years. And while someone that has been in for longer has more good stuff, that doesn't mean you can't beat them, or join them. My AF is as good as anyones AF. My inty is as good as anyones inty. My Raven is not as good as anyones raven, but I'll get there. In eve, you need to pick a direction and focus on it. Be the best YOU can be and you'll catch up in less than a year (in that direction at least). My alt focused on mining/manufacturing. While my main focuses on combat. Between the two, I can mine with the best, and fight with the best. I can't hang with a capital fleet, but here is a secret. Not many people actually can. The devs have stated in the past that the average eve players plays for about 6 months. Which is about the time you start getting into T2 ships and gear if you focused a bit. But that means that the number of people that have actually been in for years and years is limited. As for BPO's, that particular problem is being fixed in the next patch. Including but not limited to a recipe based bpo system for making "named" gear. And reverse engineering to get yourself into the T2 module market. As of right now, you can't get into the t2 BPO's. You could, but it's random chance to win one and it's trillions of isk to buy one. (and set up shop to use it) So as a new player, this particular door is closed. For now. When Kali hits, that won't be the case anymore. The thing many people seem to not notice is that a new player, with a full set of implants and learning skills trains WAY faster than a new player did 2-3 years ago. (even just learning skills from the start make a huge differance) A buddy of mine started the same week I did. And he did learning skills first. So while I was doing gunnery and blasting rats, he was hauling crap around. But right now, 8 months later, he has over a million more skill points than I do. In short, you can catch up in every way that matters. But you still might not be able to join the "chosen few". :shrug: Who cares? Those guys stoped "playing" eve a long time ago. Sad for them. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Kalaan Oratay	Posted - 2006.06.30 15:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Benilopax Tell me, is this the golden age of EVE? No, too many new people coming in at once and they all want to change EO into UO. GUARDS!! ---
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2006.06.30 15:28:00 - [37] VENDOR BUY some GUARDS for my BANK __________________________ Indulge Me
Antodias	Posted - 2006.06.30 15:42:00 - [38] I don't really care whether it's a golden age, or whether we're on the decline. I'm having fun.
Dreamdancer	Posted - 2006.06.30 16:00:00 - [39] Originally by: phi norm Death means little anymoreààthatÆs where the issue lies. Wallets are huge, jump clones are plentiful, insurance pays out too muchà..your ability to actually hurt your opponent is gradually being reduced. The rules that protect the innocent (new players in empire) should not protect the prospectors or pirates Risk v reward thatÆs what itÆs all about isnÆt it???? I read so a couple of years ago and it felt like it. Where is the risk now? Insurance payouts limited by security status of area and actions. Get concorded û no payout 0.0no payout (sliding scale for other security regions) War dec on someone û lose your insurance rights (your going to war, who in there right mind would insure your ships) û people declared upon keep insurance for a week. Jump clones û fine keep the ability to move across the galaxy, never cut the time, oh yes implants move with you when you jump. Remove 10/10 complexes û now being farmed for isk. Or some how move there location and spawn times (just doesnÆt make sense that these guys wake up every day at the same time and take a pasting, IÆd have moved by now). Sound harsh? It is out there in the wild west of the galaxyààor at least it use to be. You know Phi I was fully expecting your post to be bad as you were obviously not happy when you wrote it, but... After I read it I realised I agree with everything you said except one thing. The no insurance payout after a week for a corp war dec'd upon. Too many small/young corps getting war dec'd for no reason and they have little to no chance against their opponent as is. So why burn them even more. Beyond that one thing I am all for the suggestions you made. No insurance if Concorded. Great idea. Sliding payout by system sec. Declare war and lose insurance. Least versus war opponents. Think Jump clones were so people with implants would go to 0.0 so that one prolly won't happen. Remove 10/10? Nah, but move them about is definitely a good idea. We are recruiting!
mimik	Posted - 2006.06.30 16:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Moghydin As was mentioned just above, non-combat staff is starting to be a really big problem in game. Industry is all but closed for the newcomers. Prices for T2 BPOs are insane and cut off everyone outside of the "club". Some T2 BPOs aren't for sale at all and are held by monsterous organizations which are closed to everyone except of the "chosen few". It all leads to the situation where Eve has less depth for the new ppl. Interesting statistics would be to compare the average staying time in Eve like 2 years ago and now. I suspect that this time is actually getting shorter, as with developing their chars, new ppl understand that some aapects of the game are out of their reach forever. afaik the 7 month average time quoted at one point is out of date and the average length of time someone plays has actually increased to 12 months so ur assumption is as usual completely unfounded.
Maximillian Pele	Posted - 2006.06.30 16:16:00 - [41] Originally by: mimik afaik the 7 month average time quoted at one point is out of date and the average length of time someone plays has actually increased to 12 months so ur assumption is as usual completely unfounded. That is interesting. Do you have a link or the source of that information?
mimik	Posted - 2006.06.30 16:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Maximillian Pele Originally by: mimik afaik the 7 month average time quoted at one point is out of date and the average length of time someone plays has actually increased to 12 months so ur assumption is as usual completely unfounded. That is interesting. Do you have a link or the source of that information? dont have a link - just remember reading it either in a dev blog or a dev reply to another forum post.
Casyus Quinn	Posted - 2006.06.30 16:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Kalaan Oratay Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Benilopax Tell me, is this the golden age of EVE? No, too many new people coming in at once and they all want to change EO into UO. GUARDS!!
Casyus Quinn	Posted - 2006.06.30 16:34:00 - [44] if there are only a chosen few, we noobs can mass together and make thier lives in eve rather difficult

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